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    Virtago

    Whats the hype over Virtago and why are people spending so much on it
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    I am not 100% certain but Vitargo is just waxy maize starch right? I have recently found waxy to be beneficial to take intra-workout along with some BCAAs. You can find bulk waxy on BB for cheap, its not something you need a brand name of IMO.
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    It is not Waxy Maize Starch. It is a much quicker carbohydrate. It gets in the system faster than simple sugars. It's best used by endurance athletes, and those who would be training twice a day or more.
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    I've heard great things about it, but 70$ for 25 servings? That's like 70$ a month! That's crazy.
    I would wonder if there is a cheaper alternative that can be taken intra/post ?
    Would WMS work? or even maltodextrin?
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    Ok let me chime in a little
    Vitargo S2
    Why are people spending so much money, Because it works.

    Vitargo has undergone real studies on humans unlike some other companies, are studies are done in college labratories.
    Aside from that each batch of vitargo gets tested for banned substances which is very important for natural competive athletes.
    And last if this doesnt prove it, many ifbb pros under contracts for other supplement companies or not affiliated w/genr8 at all use it

    a few
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    its either in the first or 2nd
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    And in another vid I can not find while denis wolf is in his BSN gear he talks about using vitargo.
    My point is it works, guys under contract would not be spending money on it or advertising if it did not work.Ask any other questions for me, I am not a rep just a sponsored athlete I dont make any money from vitargo. I just like people to know how well it works and how much it has helped me from pumps, to recovery to growth in the past year since I have been w the company and I want other to enjoy these same gains.
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    Originally Posted by jaredmus View Post
    Ok let me chime in a little
    Vitargo S2
    Why are people spending so much money, Because it works.

    Vitargo has undergone real studies on humans unlike some other companies, are studies are done in college labratories.
    Aside from that each batch of vitargo gets tested for banned substances which is very important for natural competive athletes.
    And last if this doesnt prove it, many ifbb pros under contracts for other supplement companies or not affiliated w/genr8 at all use it

    a few
    http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/...ains-arms.html
    Fakhri Mubarak

    its either in the first or 2nd
    Max fairchild and Nick Frigellte top npc competitiors
    http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/...n-chicago.html
    http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/...ers-part2.html

    And in another vid I can not find while denis wolf is in his BSN gear he talks about using vitargo.
    My point is it works, guys under contract would not be spending money on it or advertising if it did not work.Ask any other questions for me, I am not a rep just a sponsored athlete I dont make any money from vitargo. I just like people to know how well it works and how much it has helped me from pumps, to recovery to growth in the past year since I have been w the company and I want other to enjoy these same gains.
    feel free to ask any other quesitosn
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    Unless you're about to be running an Iron Man competition or another extreme endurance competition, Vitargo = HUGE waste of money
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    Originally Posted by kapsemaj View Post
    I've heard great things about it, but 70$ for 25 servings? That's like 70$ a month! That's crazy.
    I would wonder if there is a cheaper alternative that can be taken intra/post ?
    Would WMS work? or even maltodextrin?
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    Originally Posted by quank View Post
    Or just straight oats post
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    Originally Posted by cjwav34 View Post
    Or just straight oats post
    or a fast digesting carb. i never umderstood the purpose of a slow digesting carb post workout an not true about unless you ran a marathon. Vitargo spikes insulin, isnt that what you need to grow? post workout when you have just put your muscle through hell and they need refueling vitargo is there to do that.
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    I just cant justify spending money on a carb supplement. Ive tried Genr8's Vitargo....It didnt do much more than a bowl of rice would have done.
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    Originally Posted by audipotential View Post
    I just cant justify spending money on a carb supplement. Ive tried Genr8's Vitargo....It didnt do much more than a bowl of rice would have done.
    Im sry you did not enjoy it
    Im just curious if you took it primarily as a post workout, or did you try taking it intra and or pre as well?
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    Originally Posted by jaredmus View Post
    Im sry you did not enjoy it
    Im just curious if you took it primarily as a post workout, or did you try taking it intra and or pre as well?
    I tried it during workout.
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    Originally Posted by audipotential View Post
    I tried it during workout.
    And you didnt see and increase in muscle fullness and or better recovery?
    Sry you must be the exception to vitargo then
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    Labrada's PowerCarb is my fav anytime throughout a workout.
    I heard its really good.
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    I will never pay the ungodly amount that they want for Vitargo. The study done on Vitargo was funded by GENR8's mother company if I recall correctly. So, of course it had favorable results.

    It's about as effective as waxy-maize...

    I beleive that Vitargo is also a byproduct of one of the products Genr8's mother company produces (they make spices I believe).

    Insulin also does not need to be spiked post workout, unlike what the sponsored athlete has claimed.

    I got that info from AA's book Girth Control, but it has been a very long time since I have read it. Here's some of Alans thoughts on Vitargo:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...3&postcount=13
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    As far as the effect you're feeling, the hype behind this stuff is tremendous in the gullible BB community, I'm familiar with this because I'm a part of it. If you've bought in, you're gonna experience the placebo effect, big time. True story about the placebo effect, an experimental group's strength gains were measured for a number of weeks without any supplementation. During the experimental phase of the treatment, subjects were given a placebo that they were lead to believe was steroids. The placebo influence resulted in 7.5x the strength of the pre-placebo phase of the trial. This is one of countless examples.

    Bottom line is, if it's working for you, great. But don't kid yourself as to the mechanism by which it's working.
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    or a fast digesting carb. i never umderstood the purpose of a slow digesting carb post workout an not true about unless you ran a marathon. Vitargo [/b]spikes insulin, isnt that what you need to grow?[/b] post workout when you have just put your muscle through hell and they need refueling vitargo is there to do that.
    No, rest + caloric excess = growth. That is basic knowledge......
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    Originally Posted by kfairhurst View Post
    I will never pay the ungodly amount that they want for Vitargo. The study done on Vitargo was funded by GENR8's mother company if I recall correctly. So, of course it had favorable results.

    It's about as effective as waxy-maize...

    I beleive that Vitargo is also a byproduct of one of the products Genr8's mother company produces (they make spices I believe).

    Insulin also does not need to be spiked post workout, unlike what the sponsored athlete has claimed.
    Originally Posted by cjwav34 View Post
    No, rest + caloric excess = growth. That is basic knowledge......

    was just trying to help the OP no reason to attack me really,
    I informed him on what hte product has been proven to do, and what is has done for ml e

    your right, rest, + calories does equal growth, but wouldn;t you agree that pre and intra and more importantly post workout nutriton are extremely important for muscle growth?

    Spices IDK where thats coming from really,
    Anthony almada the founder of Gern8 , was a co-founder in the well know Company EAS.
    And was partners with the man who created NO2, Ed byrd now owner of MRI. IDk where this information is coming from.
    OP IF you have any more questions feel free to PM me, since my knowledge on here either false or im trying to make a sale or convince you of something that is not true

    http://www.flexonline.com/eaa_vitargo/nutrition/176
    this just in on flex magazine btw, who is in no form or way affiliated with genr8
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    Originally Posted by jaredmus View Post
    or a fast digesting carb. i never umderstood the purpose of a slow digesting carb post workout an not true about unless you ran a marathon. Vitargo spikes insulin, isnt that what you need to grow? post workout when you have just put your muscle through hell and they need refueling vitargo is there to do that.
    The vast majority of people have no fears of depleting their glycogen stores enough during a standard workout to need to rapidly refill them. Marathon runners would. The "insulin spike" is also generated from whey alone, carbs aren't required.

    Originally Posted by snorkelman View Post
    For most bodybuilding purposes, the desired elevation in post-workout insulin is easily achievable through a scoop and one half (45 grams) of whey alone (absent any carbs at all) which can raise insulin levels to 39 mU/l.

    What does that strange number-letter combination mean to a muscle head? Well, when you look at the two Greenhaff, et. al, research together, it suggests that increasing insulin to a range of about 15-30 mU/l maximizes muscle protein balance (muscle protein synthesis minus muscle protein breakdown). Furthermore, recently (December 2010), Staples, and colleagues found that muscle protein balance was maximized at 19 mU/l. These three studies taken together support a position that a ballpark insulin level of about 2-5 times normal fasting insulin levels is all that is needed to maximize muscle protein balance.

    Guess what? You can easily achieve these levels of insulin increase (a.k.a. "spike") via drinking most commercial or homemade protein + carb shakes or **gasp** even a whole food meal.

    Now this will blow your mind...even eating 600 kcal of pizza (which contains 17 grams of fat) will raise insulin levels to a maximum point of 5.6 times that of fasting levels--so much for needing the "fast" hydrowhey protein and "fast" carbs postworkout.

    By the way, the claimed post workout "insulin spike" is not going to speed up glycogen resynthesis immediately after your workout anyway because the first hour of glycogenesis is not an insulin-dependent process.

    Alas, if you are some type of endurance athlete then "fast" post workout carbs become more relevant for you, but as shadar explained, 99% of the people reading these boards do not fit the narrow category of individuals who will see a benefit of fast post workout carbs over any type of post workout carb.
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    Originally Posted by jaredmus View Post
    your right, rest, + calories does equal growth, but wouldn;t you agree that pre and intra and more importantly post workout nutriton is extremely important for muscle growth?

    http://www.flexonline.com/eaa_vitargo/nutrition/176
    this just in on flex magazine btw, who is in no form or way affiliated with genr8
    No I wouldn't. Total daily macro totals > Timing.
    There are plenty of people that consume just 1 meal a day and make great gains, just google Herschel Walker.

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    Originally Posted by cjwav34 View Post
    No I wouldn't. Total daily macro totals > Timing.
    There are plenty of people that consume just 1 meal a day and make great gains, just google Herschel Walker.

    Also citing Flex Magazine only lessens your credibility.
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    Hi, folks! I am the NY Sales Agent for GENr8's Vitargo S2. Could you say I'm biased - definitely YES, but only because it works. Just want to address a few comments I've read here.

    If you're looking to have a deep debate over the science, then feel free to contact GENr8's President & CEO - Anthony L. Almada at: aalmada@genr8speed.com. If you don't know who he is, Google him, and be prepared to spend probably a few hours reading about his innovations and accomplishments in the sports nutrition industry.

    Let me qualify my responses by saying that I will readily admit that I am trying to get much deeper into the science behind the product. That being said, I will make some comments.

    Supplements: If you're taking supplements, then it goes without saying that you either can't or don't want to get all of your dietary needs from food - for whatever the reasons. That's why they're called supplements. For those of you "foodies" out there, VS2 is great for someone like me, because I have a lot of food allergies/intolerances, so almost everything makes me bloated. VS2 does not cause any gastric upset or bloating, because of the speed of absorption. So, good for you if you can eat protein or whatever and achieve your desired results. I am not so fortunate.

    Waxy Maize vs Vitargo S2: WMS (which is, basically, corn) is a SLOW digesting carb. It definitely has its place. The reason why it is thought that WMS is the same as VS2, but cheaper, is this – What makes Vitargo is the extraction process, not the original carb source. For example, you can extract vitamin C from a variety of fruits, but that does not make each one of those fruits exactly the same as the others, nor do they "perform" in the same manner. Vitargo was originally extracted from potato, then from waxy maize. Most (but not all) of the studies done on Vitargo were from this time period - GENr8 did not even exist! At one point, Art Atwood/Professional, and then Nutrex, had the North American rights to market and distribute Vitargo, but lost the rights. People went nuts, because they KNEW Vitargo worked - just ask anyone who has been around long enough! In an effort to satisfy the demand, many manufacturers simply figured that they could just take WMS and get the same results. The results are not the same. However, one can never underestimate the power of the placebo effect.

    Speed: VS2 has been proven to digest twice as fast as anything with maltodextrose or sugar, without the gastric upset. We don't say that nothing else works, but rather, VS2 is just faster. So, the faster you're getting something into your system, the faster the results are, such as recovery. When taken post workout, VS2 just shuttles whatever other supplements you're taking into your system that much quicker.

    Insulin Spike: this is the part of the science that I will admit I'm a little fuzzy on. But basically, I do know that the insulin spike is what shuts off the catabolic process. There are a multitude of things that are required for growth and recovery. Vitargo S2 addresses a few of those needs. But the beauty of VS2 is that, by its nature, it is a sugarless starch. So again, for people like me who have diabetes in my genes and cannot handle sugar at all, VS2 is the answer to my prayers. You get the spike without the crash.

    The studies: One of the major studies was from the Karolinska Institute - the folks who originally studied carbo loading. I was not aware that the Karolinska Institute ever owned GENr8 or its parent company. To my knowledge, we have three studies proving that WMS is a slow-digesting carb, and three studies showing that Vitargo is a superior-digesting carbs. Anyone who would like me to e-mail you those studies, please feel free to contact me.

    Studies are BS: Let's face it, folks - studies cost money. Period. Obviously, the only people who are going to conduct studies are those who have some type of vested interest. What makes a university study so valuable is that the results have to be made public, regardless of whether or not they are positive or negative. Can results be skewed - I suppose they can. Can that many studies from a variety of different organizations all be skewed to the same end result? That's a lot more difficult. And, the studies we have were done on humans with the finished product - which is extremely rare in the industry. What's the alternative? Take a product just because an ad says it works? It's obviously a lot more expensive and difficult to conduct a study than it is to take out an ad. I speak from experience, as I was a writer/editor for about 20 years. You draw your own conclusions.

    Price point: Yes, VS2 is relatively expensive. Part of the reason is that the raw material comes from the only place on the planet where you can get it - Sweden. It costs money to import the raw material. Period. Look at it this way - a Ferrari or a Lamborghini and a Chevy or Ford are all cars ... they are all cars and they all do the same job ... but why are the first two so damn expensive? Why are people able/willing to pay those kind of prices? One of the nice things about VS2 is that you don't have to load it, or use it all the time. You can use it whenever you need it the most. And, depending upon those needs, you CAN use it either pre, during and post workout. It's not just great for endurance athletes, but for anyone who is depleting their glycogen supplies and needs to replenish them in a hurry, without all the other side effects and pitfalls of almost everything else.

    What really upsets me the most about all this fighting that goes on on the boards is this: we have taken steps to provide a high-quality, proven product that people can benefit from, for a variety of reasons. Yet, people are pissed at us because we put it out there. Why aren't these same people pissed at the manufacturers who have, basically, duped their customers into believing something that isn't true? I really don't get it.
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    Originally Posted by SusanneAlberto View Post
    Hi, folks! I am the NY Sales Agent for GENr8's Vitargo S2. Could you say I'm biased - definitely YES, but only because it works. Just want to address a few comments I've read here.

    If you're looking to have a deep debate over the science, then feel free to contact GENr8's President & CEO - Anthony L. Almada at: aalmada@genr8speed.com. If you don't know who he is, Google him, and be prepared to spend probably a few hours reading about his innovations and accomplishments in the sports nutrition industry.

    Let me qualify my responses by saying that I will readily admit that I am trying to get much deeper into the science behind the product. That being said, I will make some comments.

    Supplements: If you're taking supplements, then it goes without saying that you either can't or don't want to get all of your dietary needs from food - for whatever the reasons. That's why they're called supplements. For those of you "foodies" out there, VS2 is great for someone like me, because I have a lot of food allergies/intolerances, so almost everything makes me bloated. VS2 does not cause any gastric upset or bloating, because of the speed of absorption. So, good for you if you can eat protein or whatever and achieve your desired results. I am not so fortunate.

    Waxy Maize vs Vitargo S2: WMS (which is, basically, corn) is a SLOW digesting carb. It definitely has its place. The reason why it is thought that WMS is the same as VS2, but cheaper, is this – What makes Vitargo is the extraction process, not the original carb source. For example, you can extract vitamin C from a variety of fruits, but that does not make each one of those fruits exactly the same as the others, nor do they "perform" in the same manner. Vitargo was originally extracted from potato, then from waxy maize. Most (but not all) of the studies done on Vitargo were from this time period - GENr8 did not even exist! At one point, Art Atwood/Professional, and then Nutrex, had the North American rights to market and distribute Vitargo, but lost the rights. People went nuts, because they KNEW Vitargo worked - just ask anyone who has been around long enough! In an effort to satisfy the demand, many manufacturers simply figured that they could just take WMS and get the same results. The results are not the same. However, one can never underestimate the power of the placebo effect.

    Speed: VS2 has been proven to digest twice as fast as anything with maltodextrose or sugar, without the gastric upset. We don't say that nothing else works, but rather, VS2 is just faster. So, the faster you're getting something into your system, the faster the results are, such as recovery. When taken post workout, VS2 just shuttles whatever other supplements you're taking into your system that much quicker.

    Insulin Spike: this is the part of the science that I will admit I'm a little fuzzy on. But basically, I do know that the insulin spike is what shuts off the catabolic process. There are a multitude of things that are required for growth and recovery. Vitargo S2 addresses a few of those needs. But the beauty of VS2 is that, by its nature, it is a sugarless starch. So again, for people like me who have diabetes in my genes and cannot handle sugar at all, VS2 is the answer to my prayers. You get the spike without the crash.

    The studies: One of the major studies was from the Karolinska Institute - the folks who originally studied carbo loading. I was not aware that the Karolinska Institute ever owned GENr8 or its parent company. To my knowledge, we have three studies proving that WMS is a slow-digesting carb, and three studies showing that Vitargo is a superior-digesting carbs. Anyone who would like me to e-mail you those studies, please feel free to contact me.

    Studies are BS: Let's face it, folks - studies cost money. Period. Obviously, the only people who are going to conduct studies are those who have some type of vested interest. What makes a university study so valuable is that the results have to be made public, regardless of whether or not they are positive or negative. Can results be skewed - I suppose they can. Can that many studies from a variety of different organizations all be skewed to the same end result? That's a lot more difficult. And, the studies we have were done on humans with the finished product - which is extremely rare in the industry. What's the alternative? Take a product just because an ad says it works? It's obviously a lot more expensive and difficult to conduct a study than it is to take out an ad. I speak from experience, as I was a writer/editor for about 20 years. You draw your own conclusions.

    Price point: Yes, VS2 is relatively expensive. Part of the reason is that the raw material comes from the only place on the planet where you can get it - Sweden. It costs money to import the raw material. Period. Look at it this way - a Ferrari or a Lamborghini and a Chevy or Ford are all cars ... they are all cars and they all do the same job ... but why are the first two so damn expensive? Why are people able/willing to pay those kind of prices? One of the nice things about VS2 is that you don't have to load it, or use it all the time. You can use it whenever you need it the most. And, depending upon those needs, you CAN use it either pre, during and post workout. It's not just great for endurance athletes, but for anyone who is depleting their glycogen supplies and needs to replenish them in a hurry, without all the other side effects and pitfalls of almost everything else.

    What really upsets me the most about all this fighting that goes on on the boards is this: we have taken steps to provide a high-quality, proven product that people can benefit from, for a variety of reasons. Yet, people are pissed at us because we put it out there. Why aren't these same people pissed at the manufacturers who have, basically, duped their customers into believing something that isn't true? I really don't get it.
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    Originally Posted by SusanneAlberto View Post
    Hi, folks! I am the NY Sales Agent for GENr8's Vitargo S2. Could you say I'm biased - definitely YES, but only because it works. Just want to address a few comments I've read here.

    If you're looking to have a deep debate over the science, then feel free to contact GENr8's President & CEO - Anthony L. Almada at: aalmada@genr8speed.com. If you don't know who he is, Google him, and be prepared to spend probably a few hours reading about his innovations and accomplishments in the sports nutrition industry.

    Let me qualify my responses by saying that I will readily admit that I am trying to get much deeper into the science behind the product. That being said, I will make some comments.

    Supplements: If you're taking supplements, then it goes without saying that you either can't or don't want to get all of your dietary needs from food - for whatever the reasons. That's why they're called supplements. For those of you "foodies" out there, VS2 is great for someone like me, because I have a lot of food allergies/intolerances, so almost everything makes me bloated. VS2 does not cause any gastric upset or bloating, because of the speed of absorption. So, good for you if you can eat protein or whatever and achieve your desired results. I am not so fortunate.

    Waxy Maize vs Vitargo S2: WMS (which is, basically, corn) is a SLOW digesting carb. It definitely has its place. The reason why it is thought that WMS is the same as VS2, but cheaper, is this – What makes Vitargo is the extraction process, not the original carb source. For example, you can extract vitamin C from a variety of fruits, but that does not make each one of those fruits exactly the same as the others, nor do they "perform" in the same manner. Vitargo was originally extracted from potato, then from waxy maize. Most (but not all) of the studies done on Vitargo were from this time period - GENr8 did not even exist! At one point, Art Atwood/Professional, and then Nutrex, had the North American rights to market and distribute Vitargo, but lost the rights. People went nuts, because they KNEW Vitargo worked - just ask anyone who has been around long enough! In an effort to satisfy the demand, many manufacturers simply figured that they could just take WMS and get the same results. The results are not the same. However, one can never underestimate the power of the placebo effect.

    Speed: VS2 has been proven to digest twice as fast as anything with maltodextrose or sugar, without the gastric upset. We don't say that nothing else works, but rather, VS2 is just faster. So, the faster you're getting something into your system, the faster the results are, such as recovery. When taken post workout, VS2 just shuttles whatever other supplements you're taking into your system that much quicker.

    Insulin Spike: this is the part of the science that I will admit I'm a little fuzzy on. But basically, I do know that the insulin spike is what shuts off the catabolic process. There are a multitude of things that are required for growth and recovery. Vitargo S2 addresses a few of those needs. But the beauty of VS2 is that, by its nature, it is a sugarless starch. So again, for people like me who have diabetes in my genes and cannot handle sugar at all, VS2 is the answer to my prayers. You get the spike without the crash.

    The studies: One of the major studies was from the Karolinska Institute - the folks who originally studied carbo loading. I was not aware that the Karolinska Institute ever owned GENr8 or its parent company. To my knowledge, we have three studies proving that WMS is a slow-digesting carb, and three studies showing that Vitargo is a superior-digesting carbs. Anyone who would like me to e-mail you those studies, please feel free to contact me.

    Studies are BS: Let's face it, folks - studies cost money. Period. Obviously, the only people who are going to conduct studies are those who have some type of vested interest. What makes a university study so valuable is that the results have to be made public, regardless of whether or not they are positive or negative. Can results be skewed - I suppose they can. Can that many studies from a variety of different organizations all be skewed to the same end result? That's a lot more difficult. And, the studies we have were done on humans with the finished product - which is extremely rare in the industry. What's the alternative? Take a product just because an ad says it works? It's obviously a lot more expensive and difficult to conduct a study than it is to take out an ad. I speak from experience, as I was a writer/editor for about 20 years. You draw your own conclusions.

    Price point: Yes, VS2 is relatively expensive. Part of the reason is that the raw material comes from the only place on the planet where you can get it - Sweden. It costs money to import the raw material. Period. Look at it this way - a Ferrari or a Lamborghini and a Chevy or Ford are all cars ... they are all cars and they all do the same job ... but why are the first two so damn expensive? Why are people able/willing to pay those kind of prices? One of the nice things about VS2 is that you don't have to load it, or use it all the time. You can use it whenever you need it the most. And, depending upon those needs, you CAN use it either pre, during and post workout. It's not just great for endurance athletes, but for anyone who is depleting their glycogen supplies and needs to replenish them in a hurry, without all the other side effects and pitfalls of almost everything else.

    What really upsets me the most about all this fighting that goes on on the boards is this: we have taken steps to provide a high-quality, proven product that people can benefit from, for a variety of reasons. Yet, people are pissed at us because we put it out there. Why aren't these same people pissed at the manufacturers who have, basically, duped their customers into believing something that isn't true? I really don't get it.

    The bolded section being of critical important. The vast majority of people do not come anywhere close to depleting their glycogen stores, at least not from a typical bodybuilding workout.
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    I guess i'll try some one day when i do some overtime at work
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    The bolded section being of critical important. The vast majority of people do not come anywhere close to depleting their glycogen stores, at least not from a typical bodybuilding workout.
    i'm sure most do on intense heavy leg days with high volume.
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    This works just fine

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    i actually really like wms, and truly doubt vitargo can outperform it in regards to the fact I can drink 30g wms and get noticeable increased in fullness when compared to malto or various sugars.
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