I am not expecting there to be a ton of posts in this thread, since there haven't been too many people with bad experiences with either Havoc or Epistane.
However, if you have had some bad experiences (hair loss, acne, manhood issues, etc...) while running these substances, list your dosage, duration and what you took during cycle and PCT along with the ill effects you suffered.
Hopefully this will help those who are contemplating a cycle to way the potential negative effects as reported by fellow bb.com users.
Would be nice to eventually have a thread like this for all the prominent PH/DS compounds in an effort to better inform...
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11-04-2008, 08:00 AM #1
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BAD Side effects from running Havoc/Epistane
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11-05-2008, 04:16 AM #6
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Night sweats/sweating
Alright, I'll offer up one. Only 2 days into my Havoc cycle dosing 30/30/30/30 and I've noticed I'm sweating more than normal during my workouts and in addition am sweating alot during the night while sleeping. Doing my best to drink as much water as possible to counter balance this.
Not so sure it's a negative, but it's not a positive either
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11-05-2008, 08:44 AM #10
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Pumps.... I just started experiencing them in my hams last night during my leg workout. THe solution for that is to get some Taurine to help with it. Not sure on the exact dosage, but I know it's been mentioned many many times on here...
I don't mind the night sweats too much either with the exception of wet pillow cases and sheets
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11-05-2008, 01:38 PM #11
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11-05-2008, 01:49 PM #15
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Perhaps, but the idea was to get away from what people "have heard can happen" while on Havoc and get some real deal testimonials from people who have run it, how they ran it, and the bad things that happened to them...
My guess is that for every 1 person who has had a bad experience with the compound, there are 100 who had no complaints...
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11-05-2008, 01:52 PM #16
Ran 30/30/40/40 as my first DS ever. Reversitol for PCT. Day 3-5 had mild lethargy. 2nd week has mild libido loss followed by INTENSE libido increase.
Used for a clean bulk, gained roughly 22lbs overall weight, 60lb BB bench increase.
On cycle sups:
Green Mag
Orange Triad
Purp
PlasmaJet
Up Your Mass
Diphenhydramine_Current Stack_
_I Squat More Than You Club_
You lift like a bitch.
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Possibly. It felt like my body was "adapting" to the steroid and really starting to kick in about that time. Intense alpha male feeling, seemingly infinite stamina and incredible enhancement in overall mood. I'm usually kind of soft spoken, however while on cycle I was constantly energetic and social.
Can't wait til january for my bold/tren/havoc cycle._Current Stack_
_I Squat More Than You Club_
You lift like a bitch.
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11-05-2008, 02:16 PM #29
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Ran 20/30/30/40
Final two weeks had trouble falling asleep and was restless/hot throughout the night.
Libido problems hit hard final week which I attributed to the 40mg increase but could have been because it was the fourth week!
Basic support stuff, CS, Taurine
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