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    Originally Posted by GetRippedInc View Post
    Its closer to 400 and its listed on their website and menus in the store.
    I don't recall the independent lab reports being available to the general public. They include the Journal of Analytical Toxicology which has showed doses up to 564mg. Don't believe everything you read.
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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    Supplements aren't medications. Regardless, medications aren't telling the amounts of time releasing mechanisms, etc within their "proprietary blends." Furthermore, who else besides a physician or a pharmacists really understands drug dosing to begin with? I doubt people are really worried about how much dextremethorphan they are getting in their cold medicine
    thats part of the problem most supplements are closer to drugs than they are food but people think since they can buy it at a gnc its completely safe and take excessive amounts. regardless i would want to know how much caffeine is in a product im taking no matter what it is especially with a product that you can take 1-3 scoops and some people might be taking a fat burner on top of that i think people would like to know so they can dose accordingly.
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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    ~100mg....fairly low.
    per cap?

    Im @4 caps a day and barely noticed any stim effect, if any at all.
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    Originally Posted by wayprotein View Post
    thats part of the problem most supplements are closer to drugs than they are food but people think since they can buy it at a gnc its completely safe and take excessive amounts. regardless i would want to know how much caffeine is in a product im taking no matter what it is especially with a product that you can take 1-3 scoops and some people might be taking a fat burner on top of that i think people would like to know so they can dose accordingly.
    I agree. People ask us and we tell them.
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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    I don't recall the independent lab reports being available to the general public. They include the Journal of Analytical Toxicology which has showed doses up to 564mg. Don't believe everything you read.
    its probably because its not added caffeine im sure it varies quite a bit from batch to batch they can only give an estimated average and the largest coffee says it contains 415mg caffeine.
    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    I agree. People ask us and we tell them.
    why isn't it on the label though? if im comparing labels in a store or dont know about these forums that information is useless.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler44 View Post
    per cap?

    Im @4 caps a day and barely noticed any stim effect, if any at all.
    Yes. It's not meant to be a strong stimulant. It supposed to provide nice crash free energy, have a thermogenic effect, and cut down your appetite.
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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    Yes. It's not meant to be a strong stimulant. It supposed to provide nice crash free energy, have a thermogenic effect, and cut down your appetite.
    I understand that, but usually 200mg of caffeine at once hits me somewhat hard.
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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    I don't recall the independent lab reports being available to the general public. They include the Journal of Analytical Toxicology which has showed doses up to 564mg. Don't believe everything you read.
    I'm sure the numbers can be skewed in any direction. I was just pointing out that they do list the caffeine amount and you don't have to ask a secret employee for the content. Different coffee types will vary the amount as well as batch to batch depending on the amount of water used but they still post it on the web and in the store.

    I could really care less anyway as caffeine does nothing to me and puts me to sleep.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler44 View Post
    I understand that, but usually 200mg of caffeine at once hits me somewhat hard.
    When was the last time you took a measure 200mg dose of caffeine with that effect?
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    Originally Posted by wayprotein View Post

    why isn't it on the label though? if im comparing labels in a store or dont know about these forums that information is useless.
    Most people who aren't on forums don't care. Those that do, e-mail or call us. Label designs, etc are created to reach out to our largest demographic and in general, they don't care.
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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    When was the last time you took a measure 200mg dose of caffeine with that effect?
    Couple days ago?

    Today was my first day of Phenorex is why I was curious. Assumed less per serving.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler44 View Post
    per cap?

    Im @4 caps a day and barely noticed any stim effect, if any at all.
    i'm taking phenorex now and the effect is very pronounced for me... taking 2 phenorex before my workouts is a bit much and thats comparing me to 1.5-2 scoops of superpump MAX


    Originally Posted by GetRippedInc View Post
    Its closer to 400 and its listed on their website and menus in the store.

    http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks...ay#size=138666
    that site is messed up, a 8oz bold coffee is 180mg caffeine which is 22.5mg/oz, yet the 20oz coffee is 415mg of caffeine which is significantly less... 20oz coffee at 22.5mg/oz would be 450mg caffeine -- pretty much every coffee i looked at had a pretty similar conversion error in the amount of caffeine per oz

    on a side note, starbucks has great decaf coffee but it has more caffeine then my normal coffee that I brew at home
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    Originally Posted by AlecGaspari View Post
    i'm taking phenorex now and the effect is very pronounced for me... taking 2 phenorex before my workouts is a bit much and thats comparing me to 1.5-2 scoops of superpump MAX
    Weird. I took 2 caps on an empty stomach this morning and could have went back to bed.

    SP Max samples picked me up really hard last week.
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    Originally Posted by AlecGaspari View Post
    that site is messed up, a 8oz bold coffee is 180mg caffeine which is 22.5mg/oz, yet the 20oz coffee is 415mg of caffeine which is significantly less... 20oz coffee at 22.5mg/oz would be 450mg caffeine -- pretty much every coffee i looked at had a pretty similar conversion error in the amount of caffeine per oz

    on a side note, starbucks has great decaf coffee but it has more caffeine then my normal coffee that I brew at home
    its possible the larger sizes are watered down.
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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    I doubt people are really worried about how much dextremethorphan they are getting in their cold medicine
    10-25mg being the standard doses in the products I use when sick. Large doses causing hallucinogenic properties. Though honestly I don't think it does anything for me, I've not noticed any benefits the last two times I was sick. I've been playing around with various cold remedies one at a time each time I get sick and most of the OTC stuff seems to be fairly worthless, albeit very cheap too.

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    Originally Posted by AlecGaspari View Post
    i'm taking phenorex now and the effect is very pronounced for me... taking 2 phenorex before my workouts is a bit much and thats comparing me to 1.5-2 scoops of superpump MAX




    that site is messed up, a 8oz bold coffee is 180mg caffeine which is 22.5mg/oz, yet the 20oz coffee is 415mg of caffeine which is significantly less... 20oz coffee at 22.5mg/oz would be 450mg caffeine -- pretty much every coffee i looked at had a pretty similar conversion error in the amount of caffeine per oz

    on a side note, starbucks has great decaf coffee but it has more caffeine then my normal coffee that I brew at home
    Once again, the point wasn't the caffeine amount it was that it IS LISTED AT THE STORE AND ON THE WEB. His point was its a secret unless you ask someone....
    Such much Placebo in here.
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    Originally Posted by GetRippedInc View Post
    Once again, the point wasn't the caffeine amount it was that it IS LISTED AT THE STORE AND ON THE WEB. His point was its a secret unless you ask someone....
    nah bro you have to know the special handshake and the password for them to give you the caffeine info
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    Originally Posted by wayprotein View Post
    nah bro you have to know the special handshake and the password for them to give you the caffeine info
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    Originally Posted by zachattack43 View Post
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    i love seinfield that is all...but curious if i was to use bronkaid for my asthma would phenorex be ok to use too? hehe
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    Originally Posted by zb1506 View Post
    i love seinfield that is all...but curious if i was to use bronkaid for my asthma would phenorex be ok to use too?




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    Originally Posted by Tyler44 View Post
    Weird. I took 2 caps on an empty stomach this morning and could have went back to bed.

    SP Max samples picked me up really hard last week.
    how long did you wait?

    i would assume it takes roughly 15-20 minutes for caps to breakdown and then even a bit more time for the full effects of the product to kick in

    i sit there at the computer in the morning with a cup of decaf coffee and i can feel myself get more and more alert/awake as the minutes pass after i take my phenorex

    Originally Posted by wayprotein View Post
    its possible the larger sizes are watered down.
    do you drink coffee? i swear if someone watered down my coffee i would be a very unhappy customer!

    starbucks and dunkin decaf are the only two decaf coffees i'll drink black on a consistent basis, very good decafs and they dont water down the coffee for larger sizes

    Originally Posted by GetRippedInc View Post
    Once again, the point wasn't the caffeine amount it was that it IS LISTED AT THE STORE AND ON THE WEB. His point was its a secret unless you ask someone....
    well what good is the information if the caffeine content is wrong? or if there is pretty large variations between one brew and another?

    i understand your point and i'm just rustlin ur feathers a bit (no homo)
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