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    how bad are natural testosterone boosters

    how bad and what sort of side affects would a natural testosterone booster have on a 19 year old teen do they really help with getting bigger faster any help on this subject would be really helpful i want to do my research be for i spend money on something that could be bad for me.
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    read the sticky on prohormones
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    Originally Posted by KirkAZ View Post
    read the sticky on prohormones
    Why? It has nothing to do with his question.

    They're safe. But you can still aggravate gyno by taking them. Your natural test production doesn't get shut down with them. Still you probably want to get your test level tested before you just randomly start taking stuff.
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    Originally Posted by ptwa9 View Post
    Why? It has nothing to do with his question.

    They're safe. But you can still aggravate gyno by taking them. Your natural test production doesn't get shut down with them. Still you probably want to get your test level tested before you just randomly start taking stuff.
    OP listen to this guy, not the other one.
    To Quote an Idiot:
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    Originally Posted by AirChair View Post
    OP listen to this guy, not the other one.
    Cause gyno or just aggravate it?
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    are they worth taking if they are going to cause bitch tits? and all so do they help much with gaining muscle mass as well as a good diet. and yeah i was not talking about roid was talking about the natural supplement you can buy from supplement stores. thanks so far for the help.
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    they're useless save your money.
    Anything that ACTUALLY works for raising test levels to an amount useful for weight training is illegal.
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    Originally Posted by *ShaGGs* View Post
    they're useless save your money.
    Anything that ACTUALLY works for raising test levels to an amount useful for weight training is illegal.
    im afraid its this OP. especially at age 19 you will notice nothing.
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    Originally Posted by Zuoi View Post
    im afraid its this OP. especially at age 19 you will notice nothing.
    rep for good advice man thanks
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    Originally Posted by *ShaGGs* View Post
    Anything that ACTUALLY works for raising test levels to an amount useful for weight training is illegal.



    I'm tempted to facepalm.jpg
    To Quote an Idiot:
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    I'm tempted to facepalm.jpg
    Lol...too bad he's right! ZMA, trib, etc etc really have no effect on you if you're not at least in your late 20's. Especially in your teens, your natural test levels are as high as they will get.
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    Originally Posted by *ShaGGs* View Post
    they're useless save your money.
    Anything that ACTUALLY works for raising test levels to an amount useful for weight training is illegal.
    You're an idiot.
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    Originally Posted by DDon1996 View Post
    You're an idiot.
    Orly? What non-PH/AAS substances can you name that will raise a teen's test levels significantly?
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    Orly? What non-PH/AAS substances can you name that will raise a teen's test levels significantly?
    Why can it not be a PH?
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    Originally Posted by DDon1996 View Post
    Why can it not be a PH?
    I doubt that's what OP wants.
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    Lol...too bad he's right! ZMA, trib, etc etc really have no effect on you if you're not at least in your late 20's. Especially in your teens, your natural test levels are as high as they will get.
    1) You're 16, it's impolite to argue and adopt an arrogant tone with people clearly more knowledgeable than yourself.

    2) The products you list aren't test boosters.

    3) You're incorrect about testosterone production peaking in your teens.

    4) Fadogia, ATD, AT, 6-bromo and formestane are all effective and available OTC. In addition, you have letrozole, anastrozole, exemestane, clomiphene, tamoxifen, raloxifene, and toremifene which fall into 'grey area' legality.

    So what's that about him being right?
    To Quote an Idiot:
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    Orly? What non-PH/AAS substances can you name that will raise a teen's test levels significantly?
    I named 12.


    Furthermore, most anabolic steroids actually do quite the opposite of raising your testosterone levels. Raising your serum nandrolone is not the same as raising your serum testosterone, so yet again we find you being wrong.
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    Originally Posted by AirChair View Post
    1) You're 16, it's impolite to argue and adopt an arrogant tone with people clearly more knowledgeable than yourself.

    2) The products you list aren't test boosters.

    3) You're incorrect about testosterone production peaking in your teens.

    4) Fadogia, ATD, AT, 6-bromo and formestane are all effective and available OTC. In addition, you have letrozole, anastrozole, exemestane, clomiphene, tamoxifen, raloxifene, and toremifene which fall into 'grey area' legality.

    So what's that about him being right?
    LOL

    Not a single thing you listed qualifies as natural.

    EDIT: Not those that work anyway. Fadogia and trib are are both plants to my knowledge with very minimal effect on test if you're not deficient in the first place.
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    LOL

    Not a single thing you listed qualifies as natural.
    Yes, plants are not natural.... Silly him.
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    Originally Posted by DDon1996 View Post
    Yes, plants are not natural.... Silly him.
    Kind of glanced it over tbh and noticed most were aromatase inhibitors or something like that. The only "natural" thing there TMK is fadogia, which like trib has very trivial effects.

    FTR, even the aromatase inhibitors have little effect if you're not using it post-cycle. Many people have run logs with them and you can go read them. They do provide some benefit of course, but it's not worth the money imo.
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    Originally Posted by AirChair View Post
    Furthermore, most anabolic steroids actually do quite the opposite of raising your testosterone levels. Raising your serum nandrolone is not the same as raising your serum testosterone, so yet again we find you being wrong.
    Semantics at its finest, and nowhere did I mention nandrolone or any other specific ph or AAS for that matter.
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    Going against AC and Don, end well this will not.
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    LOL

    Not a single thing you listed qualifies as natural.

    EDIT: Not those that work anyway. Fadogia and trib are are both plants to my knowledge with very minimal effect on test if you're not deficient in the first place.
    Explain how one can be "fadogia-deficient"? Based on bloodwork, it can work quite well, as it has a direct effect on up-regulating testicular steroidogenesis, a property that has been verified in research settings.

    And formestane is also technically 'natural', as 4-hydroxylated androgens --formestane is 4-hydroxyandrostenedione-- have been found to be naturally occurring.
    To Quote an Idiot:
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    Semantics at its finest, and nowhere did I mention nandrolone or any other specific ph or AAS for that matter.
    I'm fully convinced you're either trolling or hopelessly lost.

    Using two different hormones interchangeably is not semantics....

    Furthermore, the original statement was about legality, not whether or not the product was "natural".
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    Semantics at its finest, and nowhere did I mention nandrolone or any other specific ph or AAS for that matter.
    You specificed "test", I countered that most AAS/PH/DS don't have anything to do with testosterone levels at all, having only an indirect effect whereby T level is lowered. I could have substituted 'trenbolone', 'boldenone', 'dienelone', or any other active hormone for 'nandrolone'.
    To Quote an Idiot:
    "not wanting to bring up past threads, but steroids are hormones....therefore gh or hgh or igf-1 which are hormones....are steroids. they just are your typical d-bol of sorts."
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    Originally Posted by AirChair View Post
    Explain how one can be "fadogia-deficient"? Based on bloodwork, it can work quite well, as it has a direct effect on up-regulating testicular steroidogenesis, a property that has been verified in research settings.
    Only a moron would assume, or possibly gleam, that that's what I meant. Nice!

    Link studies plz and we can compare it to what's on the market and the price at which it's being offered, and then evaluate its efficiency. Control for age and dosage as well.

    Not denying that these plants do have value in raising tests, just saying they're near-useless in teenagers and anybody whose tests level have not started to drop.

    And formestane is also technically 'natural', as 4-hydroxylated androgens --formestane is 4-hydroxyandrostenedione-- have been found to be naturally occurring.
    So are test and GH, and those two are far more prevalent in the human body. Do you think that's what OP wants to use?



    LOL @ you arguing with me on stupid, moot points and trying to pick at my semantics. It's easier to live in denial and trust the supplement companies than accept the hard truth, isn't it?
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    Originally Posted by DDon1996 View Post
    I'm fully convinced you're either trolling or hopelessly lost.

    Using two different hormones interchangeably is not semantics....

    Furthermore, the original statement was about legality, not whether or not the product was "natural".
    Interesting thought! Nowhere in the title or OP do I see the issue of legality being addressed. Show me?
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    Originally Posted by *ShaGGs* View Post
    they're useless save your money.
    Anything that ACTUALLY works for raising test levels to an amount useful for weight training is illegal.
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    Lol...too bad he's right!


    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    Interesting thought! Nowhere in the title or OP do I see the issue of legality being addressed. Show me?
    No problem buddy. The very post you were defending was purely about legality.. I'm going to go with the "hopelessly lost" option.
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    Originally Posted by KelvinSwole View Post
    Only a moron would assume, or possibly gleam, that that's what I meant. Nice!

    Link studies plz and we can compare it to what's on the market and the price at which it's being offered, and then evaluate its efficiency. Control for age and dosage as well.

    Not denying that these plants do have value in raising tests, just saying they're near-useless in teenagers and anybody whose tests level have not started to drop.



    So are test and GH, and those two are far more prevalent in the human body. Do you think that's what OP wants to use?



    LOL @ you arguing with me on stupid, moot points and trying to pick at my semantics. It's easier to live in denial and trust the supplement companies than accept the hard truth, isn't it?
    The topic of debate has nothing to do with cost effectiveness or efficiency, merely the statements about only illegal products having any effect, and then obviously legality. So the first part here is irrelevant.

    Second part is nearly as irrelevant, since GH and T levels have nothing to do with the legality and natural occurrence of 4-hydroxylated androgens, of which at least one, 4-hydroxyandrostenedione, is an effective AI with a tangible effect on T levels. That would fit the original post topic of 'natural', as well as the aforementioned 'legal' and 'effective' talking points.
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    Originally Posted by DDon1996 View Post
    No problem buddy. The very post you were defending was purely about legality.. I'm going to go with the "hopelessly lost" option.
    Just because I was referencing his post leads you to believe that I ignored the OP?

    Hey, here's a thought. Instead of bashing me or focusing on semantics, wording, and focusing on irrelevant topics:

    1) Find a study that shows anything "natural" will raise test levels under these conditions:

    a) Teenagers
    b) Bloodwork done
    c) No test deficiency before trial
    d) Control group used
    e) Dosage is comparable to what's on the market

    Then let's evaluate that product's efficiency.

    To my knowledge, and I'm only human obviously, no major product fits that label. Aromatase inhibitors et al can do good things but

    1) I doubt that's what OP wants.
    2) They're actually not that great. They work best post-cycle or for those with low hormone levels. Like I said, people have run logs with them without using any other substances. Check it out and see that the effects aren't that great.

    The cold hard truth is that at this point in a person's life, hormone levels are already high and anything "natural" is most likely not going to cause any significant physical changes.
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