Is Jay Among the Top 5 Ever?

[DavisForman]

In that "Most 2nd places" thread, a small debate started whether or not Jay was in fact one of the top 5 greatest bodybuilders ever. And so I am just curious to see how the IFBB section in general sees it. I'm not going to post after this or argue, I promise!

So after Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman and Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is the next best bodybuilder of all time? Consider statistics and the competition they faced in their era.



1. Jay Cutler

- 4 Mr. Olympia titles
- 5 Mr. Olympia runner-ups
- 3 time Arnold Classic Champion




2. Frank Zane

- 3 Mr. Olympia titles
- 3 Mr. Olympia runner-ups




3. Kevin Levrone

- 4 Mr. Olympia runner-ups
- 2 time Arnold Classic Champion




4. Sergio Oliva

- 3 Mr. Olympia titles
- 2 Mr. Olympia runner-ups




5. Shawn Ray

- 2 Mr. Olympia runner-ups
- 1 time Arnold Classic Champion




6. Flex Wheeler

- 3 Mr. Olympia runner-ups
- 4 time Arnold Classic Champion




7. Franco Columbu

- 2 Mr. Olympia titles
- 3 Mr. Olympia runner-ups

[Bobby1291]

Jay. Hands down.

EDIT: Oh and that quad stomp is pretty beastly, just saying

[BartPimpson]

I would put Levrone ahead of Jay, and also Sergio and Franco for historical reasons.

[Bobby1291]

I would put Levrone ahead of Jay, and also Sergio and Franco for historical reasons.

Lol at putting Levrone ahead of Jay.

[bartosh]

by numbers? cutler
By personal preference? Frank Zane hands down. Nobody could hit a vacuum like him

[Bobby1291]

None of them could hit a quad stomp like Jay either.

[mikieson]

Im not a huge fan of physiques like Jays...BUT...he, like Coleman owns everyone on stage for size,fullness,and over all mass. SO Jay should be up there just for that.

[BlackNumero]

TBH, very good thread. Very good thread indeed.

I've never been a huge fan of Cutler's physique, so I'm trying to find someone else who can beat him, but considering just placings, Cutler would have to win. Physiques is closer and depends on what you like. The only others who I could see challenging him are Flex, Levrone, and Ray. Flex was good in the beginning, but his oiled up physique ruined him in the end. Levrone was good, but I felt like his back and legs were never spectacular. I'm tempted to say Shawn Ray, simply because I find his physique very aesthetic and AFAIK, he never showed up off. Perfect physique really, he was just was given the wrong height genetics lol.

Placings wise:Cutler

Physique wise: Ray

[SLiX]

yep, people always bag on him, even i use to, but, come on, he was 2nd to the best bodybuilder ever and dethrowned him (injuries i know) but he did push him all those years except 03

[Boba_Bulk]

I'll say yes. Multiple Olympia wins have to count for something. With one win you can always argue fluke or not but Jay has 4 wins, plus came 2nd to the GOAT more than anyone else.

[Neto472_old]

People hate on Jay a lot but I bet you that quad stomp picture will still be posted on BBing forums 10 years from now.

He's definitely one of the top bodybuilders ever. And his career isn't even close to over yet.

[24th]

I never post here. But jesus christ, why is Arnold not even classified as top 5. is this real life?

[Bobby1291]

Learn to read. He IS in the top 5. We're talking about who is the 5th.

[NaturalLoco]

i picked Sergio

imo Sergio should have won at least another
and i would take away at least two of jays titles

yes im srs

[Bobby1291]

I know one, which do you think is the second?

[flangmasterj]

Nah. A great bodybuilder is a bodybuilder who can consistently come in conditioned. Jay's had a few showings where he has been noticeably off. No doubt his work ethic and perseverance is incredible but I wouldn't have him as the fifth greatest of all time.

Oh and for all the kiddies ^that's my opinion.

I vote for Shawn. He was always in shape, his presentation and posing was always to the highest standard and his physique was close to flawless.

Oh and for all the mongs ^that is also my opinion.

[Bobby1291]

^Good post.

I chose Jay just because he has more Olympia wins. I agree with the conditioning part of your post. Oh and I also agree with the Shawn part as well.

[lovebbing]

id say Jay is 4th, and Kevin Levrone is 5th

[BiggerTommorow]

Never was a fan of Jay cutler, he has 1 solid win. the first was win by default since Ronnie was ****ed up (still looked great for how injured he was) the second one its arguable Victor got robbed, 2009 he totally deserved it and this last Olympia he barely beat some young bodybuilder.

[RepItOut]

and i would take away at least two of jays titles

yes im srs

Yes ur srs.. Ok then, Ill be srs with you. At the end of the day Jay won, SIMPLE get fuking over it. You would take 2 titles away from him... who the **** are you.. GTFO

[TheDarkKnight27]

What about Ronnie?

[realistromeo]

Jat is pretty beast, obvious top 5 even if i am not a big fan, Ronnie,Yates,Haney,Arnie...and rounding out top 5 yep CUTS.

[flangmasterj]

Yes ur srs.. Ok then, Ill be srs with you. At the end of the day Jay won, SIMPLE get fuking over it. You would take 2 titles away from him... who the **** are you.. GTFO

Calm down broooooo, didn't you see the 'IMO' in his post?

[sexnews]

TBH, very good thread. Very good thread indeed.

I've never been a huge fan of Cutler's physique, so I'm trying to find someone else who can beat him, but considering just placings, Cutler would have to win. Physiques is closer and depends on what you like. The only others who I could see challenging him are Flex, Levrone, and Ray. Flex was good in the beginning, but his oiled up physique ruined him in the end. Levrone was good, but I felt like his back and legs were never spectacular. I'm tempted to say Shawn Ray, simply because I find his physique very aesthetic and AFAIK, he never showed up off. Perfect physique really, he was just was given the wrong height genetics lol.

Placings wise:Cutler

I tend to agree with this

[RepItOut]

Calm down broooooo, didn't you see the 'IMO' in his post?

mmmm... sorry NaturalLoco

[ozmatt]

It could be argued any way - but for personal choice I say Shawn Ray. Jay and Levrone have the most impressive resumes and if this group were to compete at the same time in each of their prime conditions respectively, you would think Jay would win? I dunno, what do you guys think...

[Loctus]

Jay without a doubt.

Look at what Ronnie did to his competition. Wheeler, Ray, Levrone, El Sonbaty, and many more all quit during Ronnies reign. Was this just some sort of everyone-got-too-old? No, it was Ronnie completely demolishing their hopes of one day winning the Olympia. All of them just fell away and stopped competing and the ones left were certainly not aiming for first place. I remember a vid from just a couple of years back where Dexter Jackson says "Cutler, I'm coming for you. Not you Ronnie, you are safe.", he was actually aiming for 2nd place.

Now, why am I writing all this stuff about how Ronnie made great bodybuilders quit and others accept defeat? Well, because the ONLY guy who didn't quit chasing him was Cutler.

[shaneee]

either levrone or jay imo
not really sure..i like levrone more but if they both competed at the same time im pretty sure jay would win

[RepItOut]

Now, why am I writing all this stuff about how Ronnie made great bodybuilders quit and others accept defeat? Well, because the ONLY guy who didn't quit chasing him was Cutler.

Great Post

[boyoboyo]

Nah. A great bodybuilder is a bodybuilder who can consistently come in conditioned. Jay's had a few showings where he has been noticeably off. No doubt his work ethic and perseverance is incredible but I wouldn't have him as the fifth greatest of all time.

Oh and for all the kiddies ^that's my opinion.

I vote for Shawn. He was always in shape, his presentation and posing was always to the highest standard and his physique was close to flawless.

Oh and for all the mongs ^that is also my opinion.

lol at jay not being a great bodybuilder, just look at his achievments! im not even a jay fan and i can see it. someones still bitter about the O