After a Pro-hormone cycle of 6 weeks how can Formestane be used to help keep gains and possible add gains. I will be using it with Activate and nolva.
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Thread: Formestane PCT
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01-12-2011, 11:42 PM #1
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01-13-2011, 12:34 AM #2
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01-13-2011, 08:48 AM #3
Formestane is a mild AI. It's actually a suicide inhibitor. It should be used on cycle to control the aromatization of steroids that convert to estrogen. It should not be used on PCT.
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01-13-2011, 09:04 AM #4
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01-13-2011, 11:27 AM #5
I disagree that it should be treated as a PH. It's a steroidal aromatase inhibitor and it's a suicide inhibitor. It's does convert to 4-hydroxytestosterone. But 4-hydroxytestosterone has half the anabolic potency of Testosterone and a quarter of the androgenic potency of testosterone. In order to see any anabolic benefit from Formestane you would need to be taking doses in the range of 800-1000mg a day and that would crash your estrogen levels to a very undesirable amount. Formestane should be used for exactly what it is, a mild AI to prevent estrogen related sides and nothing more.
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01-13-2011, 11:46 AM #6
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You can disagree all you want but its a ph. Whether its an AI or not doesnt make a difference because of what it converts to. Its the precursor (ie. prohormone) to 4OHT and although 4OHT may be weaker then test it binds to the androgen receptor MUCH better then test does. Reduced potency doesnt mean there isnt an affect on HPTA. Seeing an anabolic effect or not does not reflect what is going on with the HPTA.
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01-13-2011, 02:53 PM #7
Again, I never denied that it doesn't convert to 4-hydroxytestosterone but the quantity and potenct is neglidgable. To see any anabolic or androgenic results you would have to take so much that your estrogen levels would plumet to almost nothing. And even then the effect would be hardly anything. Even though it binds to the androgen receptor much better then Testosterone, it has strong affinity for the 5a-reductase enzyme. Because of this it will reduce DHT levels in the body by effectively competing with testosterone for the 5a-reductase enzyme. And DHT is MUCH more androgenic then 4-hydroxytestosterone there by negating any androgenic benefit Formestane has.
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01-13-2011, 04:03 PM #8
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01-13-2011, 04:09 PM #9
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01-13-2011, 04:19 PM #10
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Exactly. There are better alternative's out there. Formestane was one of the first AIs examined back in the 50s (Cytadren / aminoglutethimide also) and both have gone by the way side with much never advancements. Why bother with something so outdated when you dont have to.
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01-13-2011, 05:35 PM #11
In my first post I stated that it should never be used as a PCT and should only be used on cycle. This is not a point of contention. What I'm saying is that it has no real benefit as a PH so it shouldn't be treated as a PH. It's effect as a PH are negligible. It's only real benefit is as a mild AI and therefore it should be treated as an AI. Which should only be used on cycle and not on PCT anyway.
I completely agree with this.Last edited by AmericanJambo; 01-13-2011 at 05:46 PM.
sophfball - "Look, I don't know the science behind it, but its a proven fact."
dantheman12189 - "what exactly is an androgen receptor, whats it do and is it posable to get more?"
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01-13-2011, 05:57 PM #12
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01-13-2011, 06:08 PM #13
Oh, I never said that it wouldn't have an effect on the HPTA function. But in the dosages required for use as an AI the effect would most likely be very minimal. And at the dosages needed to have even a minimal anabolic effect the side effect of crashing your estrogen would make it unusable. So yes, by the very deffinition it is a PH as it does convert to a steroidal compound. But it displays much greater effects as an AI then a PH.
I think my issue isn't that it's not a PH but that telling people to treat it like a PH will have people thinking that it is effective as a PH. The only reason anyone takes a PH is to build muscle and strength which Formestane won't do.Last edited by AmericanJambo; 01-13-2011 at 08:39 PM.
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04-21-2011, 09:37 AM #14
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