Hey every1! Please tell my friend that pre bed carbs wont turn to fat! Hes stubborn;)

[Hyruliangoat]

After all my countless jibber jabber to him, he refuses to accept that carbs before bed will not convert into fat. Even though he could not refute one single thing I said!

SO, could yall just kinda come in here and tell him that hes wrong=)?


(yes I know the exception to the rule of excess cals, but regardless he doesnt accept anything I say)

thanks guys and reps included!

[LiL USMC BBer]

Dear Friend;


Your wrong







Just leave it be man. Let him think what he wants.

[iLovemyLuxe]

get a new friend

[Hyruliangoat]

Dear Friend;


Your wrong







Just leave it be man. Let him think what he wants.

he wants to try and prove me wrong lol I let him have as much time as he needed to provide an argument against me and he said he would so lol

get a new friend

wanna be my friend?

[in10city]

After all my countless jibber jabber to him, he refuses to accept that carbs before bed will not convert into fat. Even though he could not refute one single thing I said!

SO, could yall just kinda come in here and tell him that hes wrong=)?


(yes I know the exception to the rule of excess cals, but regardless he doesnt accept anything I say)

thanks guys and reps included!

Not like he would understand this, but the process of converting carbohydrates to fat - de novo lipogenesis - is not a significant fate of carbohydrates ever under normal dietary conditions.

Adipose only takes up a small percentage of glucose compared to skeletal muscle. And of what it does take up, it uses most in glycolysis and the formation of glycerol-3-phosphate rather than for lipogenesis since adipocytes do not express substantial citrate lyase activity. Lipogenic enzymes also appear to be partly inducible and respond to diet and exercise as well but moreso for hepatic enzymes. De novo lipogenesis - hepatic and adipose - is not a significant disposal pathway of carbohydrates under normal physiological conditions and is rarely ever a priority. One generally needs to go overboard with massive carbohydrate overfeeding or a large excess of calories for it to become significant.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10831168
http://www.jlr.org/cgi/content/short/44/4/846
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v.../1600744a.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14600072
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/74/6/737
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/2/240
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430771

[Hyruliangoat]

Not like he would understand this, but the process of converting carbohydrates to fat - de novo lipogenesis - is not a significant fate of carbohydrates ever under normal dietary conditions.

hmmm I didnt know about that process thank you. I actually had the 2nd study you posted tere in my favorites =)




will rep on recharge

[desslok]

I probably eat more carbs after 6pm than your friend eats all day. Including over 100gm, mainly fruit and grape juice, around 10:30pm which is my bedtime.

[Hyruliangoat]

I probably eat more carbs after 6pm than your friend eats all day. Including over 100gm, mainly fruit and grape juice, around 10:30pm which is my bedtime.

strong bed time lol! will rep on recharge =)

[jake1224]

he can't be stubborn if he's dead



i'm just saying...

[Hyruliangoat]

he can't be stubborn if he's dead



i'm just saying...

lmao

[stancel]

say "I eat carbs before bed. you calling me fat? " then run off crying

or

"Well, if avoiding carbs before bed keeps you from being fat, why are you so god damn fat?" then watch HIM run off crying

[Hyruliangoat]

say "I eat carbs before bed. you calling me fat? " then run off crying

or

"Well, if avoiding carbs before bed keeps you from being fat, why are you so god damn fat?" then watch HIM run off crying

lmao at the 2nd one hahahaha

[ryan2921]

After all my countless jibber jabber to him, he refuses to accept that carbs before bed will not convert into fat. Even though he could not refute one single thing I said!

SO, could yall just kinda come in here and tell him that hes wrong=)?


(yes I know the exception to the rule of excess cals, but regardless he doesnt accept anything I say)

thanks guys and reps included!

I think most people think your metabolism, like, completely shuts down when you sleep. But your body metabolism will continue to process whatever you had for your last meal..

[JDkeystone]

Is he a diabetic or something? That's the only thing I can think of that would make him this hysterical about pre-bed carbs....

[Hyruliangoat]

I think most people think your metabolism, like, completely shuts down when you sleep. But your body metabolism will continue to process whatever you had for your last meal..

that's been his only "argument" even after disproving him there he still didn't agree



@JD no he's just dumb lol. He barely works out and has no knowledge of nutrition lol...

[asala1337]

he can't be stubborn if he's dead



i'm just saying...

lmao

[Fury22]

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@JD no he's just dumb lol. He barely works out and has no knowledge of nutrition lol...

Acquire new friend

Profit

[joelash302]

He barely works out and has no knowledge of nutrition lol...

Sounds like a productive argument.

[MikeK46]

What determines whether you'll get fatter or leaner is fat synthesis minus fat oxidation. Those are the 2 sides to the equation, and it is determined by calories in vs. calories out.

You're burning fat all day. If your late night carbs put you over your caloric maintenance, you'll gain weight. If they don't, then you've burned more over the course of the day than will get stored overnight...so you won't get any fatter.

[Hyruliangoat]

lmao

that counts as a "carbs dont turn into fat before bed" =)

Acquire new friend

Profit

be my new friend?

Sounds like a productive argument.

it works 60 percent of the time, all the time

What determines whether you'll get fatter or leaner is fat synthesis minus fat oxidation. Those are the 2 sides to the equation, and it is determined by calories in vs. calories out.

You're burning fat all day. If your late night carbs put you over your caloric maintenance, you'll gain weight. If they don't, then you've burned more over the course of the day than will get stored overnight...so you won't get any fatter.

thank youuuuu <3 pretty much 1 of the things I told him

[MikeK46]

no problem, best looking guy in Misc <3

[BrennanHockey]

What determines whether you'll get fatter or leaner is fat synthesis minus fat oxidation. Those are the 2 sides to the equation, and it is determined by calories in vs. calories out.

You're burning fat all day. If your late night carbs put you over your caloric maintenance, you'll gain weight. If they don't, then you've burned more over the course of the day than will get stored overnight...so you won't get any fatter.

This is a beauty response. Your friend is sort of correct, if you eat a ton of carbs or any other macronutrient before bed, there is a good chance that it will turn into fat. But if he is at a caloric deficit at the end of the day he would have been burning fat all day and the bit of fat that he gains during sleep will not matter because at the end of the day he will have a net loss of fat.

So yes he is correct that those "carbs" will likely turn to fat but if he is still at a caloric deficit he will continue to become leaner.

[Hyruliangoat]

no problem, best looking guy in Misc <3

no u!

This is a beauty response. Your friend is sort of correct, if you eat a ton of carbs or any other macronutrient before bed, there is a good chance that it will turn into fat. But if he is at a caloric deficit at the end of the day he would have been burning fat all day and the bit of fat that he gains during sleep will not matter because at the end of the day he will have a net loss of fat.

So yes he is correct that those "carbs" will likely turn to fat but if he is still at a caloric deficit he will continue to become leaner.

well obv, and I told him that along with other similair things in terms of the at. of cals but even then he believes that even just 1 carb before bed will be converted to fat lol


this argument happened this afternoon and he didnt have 1 single rebuttal to my logic, so I told him he can gather his "information" up and provide it for me tonight and he couldnt do it so he just says hes right lol..

[y0lked]

been drinking as much milk as possible before bed.... abs havent changed.

[joelash302]

This is a beauty response. Your friend is sort of correct, if you eat a ton of carbs or any other macronutrient before bed, there is a good chance that it will turn into fat. But if he is at a caloric deficit at the end of the day he would have been burning fat all day and the bit of fat that he gains during sleep will not matter because at the end of the day he will have a net loss of fat.

So yes he is correct that those "carbs" will likely turn to fat but if he is still at a caloric deficit he will continue to become leaner.

You know you could point out that carbs don't convert to fat in any normal circumstance and just end it, right?

[MikeK46]

Tell him he's confusing "instantaneous fat synthesis" with 24-hour fat balance, or "net fat gain." Not the same thing.

We are synthesizing and oxidizing fat around the clock. That has nothing to do with whether we get fatter or leaner.

[ppd001]

tell him you eat massive amount carbohydrates before bed and your not fat..i take all my carbohydrates before and during and after workout and I'm not gaining fat.

[MikeK46]

Yea. Tell him you eat tons of carbs before bed and you're not getting fatter.

Give him a huge "I TOLD YOU SO!" right in his face.

[Hyruliangoat]

been drinking as much milk as possible before bed.... abs havent changed.

You know you could point out that carbs don't convert to fat in any normal circumstance and just end it, right?

Tell him he's confusing "instantaneous fat synthesis" with 24-hour fat balance, or "net fat gain." Not the same thing.

We are synthesizing and oxidizing fat around the clock. That has nothing to do with whether we get fatter or leaner.

tell him you eat massive amount carbohydrates before bed and your not fat..i take all my carbohydrates before and during and after workout and I'm not gaining fat.

Yea. Tell him you eat tons of carbs before bed and you're not getting fatter.

Give him a huge "I TOLD YOU SO!" right in his face.

lol guys so he said he would provide an argument for me and this was his "argument" he had all day to prove me wrong but this is all he could provide here is our convo. Despite the fact that I went into a lot of detail from a biochem perspective, he still refused to believe it even with studys logic etc.


his response



MY RESPONSE

"4,5,6 meals a day"/ "small meals" false, myth. dont make me disprove that 2. There is only 1 benefit to that.

lol at no carbs

he needs to learn the basics of BMR, he is WAY off.

lol at not knowing that aminos illucit a similair insulin response as carbs

the funny thing is i know u didnt watch this video because he said nothing as to why to not eat carbs before bed. you just went by the title. you have failed miserably to prove me wrong, this has been ur best attempt, I gave you all day to create your argument. It should have taken you 5 minutes but you couldnt even do that. you, the person with barely any lifting experience, barely any knowledge on general health and fitness, are gonna tell me the person who lives and breathes it whats right and whats wrong? go tell michael jordan how to shoot a basketball and he'll laugh in ur face. go ahead and go your own way for a month heck ill even give you as long as you need, keep up your little bro science bs, keep a mediocre figure as the rest of the bro scientists who refuse to accept truth when its right in front of them. theres a difference between natural stubborness and plain stupidity,and you are displaying straight stupidity. you have gone way off the deep end with this and have way to much pride to accept that ur wrong. my challenge still stands to you, provide to me an argument you have all the time you need.

you know nothing about basic nutrition, metabolism, etc plsgo


HIS RESPONSE (lol)

ur response beats around the bush and is too long... lost interest in the first sentence....

anywys, im gonna reiterate my views in a concise manner. Eating carbs before bed does, in fact, produce body fat. Because of this, I choose not to e...at approximately two hours prior to hitting the bed. Also, regarding the fact that I am pursuing a lean muscle mass, I choose to do cardio workouts (treadmill, bike, etc.), weight lifting, along with healthy eating/snacking (lean proteins, no fried foods, vegetables, nuts and seeds, etc.). By doing so, I will be able to achieve my goals of a lean body muscle mass.



he has been following this "technique" for a bout a year and a half and he looks terrible lol..

[Hyruliangoat]

bump he still thinks he won lol