Don't mix your protein with milk post workout...

**Thorazine** · 02-07-2002, 05:54 PM

Why?

Because the milk "coats" the inside of the stomach lining and inhibits the absorbtion of protein. This is not a desired effect, thus that's why mixing it with water will maximize your benefits.

Just thought I'd throw this out there....every little bit helps.

Thorazine

**BiG RED HH** · 02-07-2002, 06:00 PM

Im not sure about it coating your stomach, and even if it did, that would have very little to do w. absorbtion, since most absorbtion is done in the small intestine..but, milk contain casienate, which a slow digesting protein, and since food is digested at one time, not seperate parts at once, it would slow the rate at which the protein is passed into the small intestine thus slowing absorbtion rate. Also..lactose is low on the GI scale, you want something hi GI for post w/o.
Br

**dez/null** · 02-07-2002, 06:00 PM

no use skim milk fat is what clots the inside of your stomach try it sometime

**str8flexed** · 02-07-2002, 07:10 PM

I believe you all are in part correct. What happens is that milk contains casein which gels in the stomach, thus slowing digesting but does not i repeat does not inhibit protein absorbtion. In fact drink whey mixed with milk post workout is a great idea, you will get the anabolic properties of whey with the anti-catabolic properties of casein. Don't worry the casein won't slow down the whey very much. Whey is absorbed pretty much the instant it hits the small intestine. This means if you mix whey with water you will need to eat another protein meal about an hour after taking since you may be faced with a catabolic environment if you don't. By drinking it with milk you can take a longer break between your postworkout meal and the meal after that.
Peace

**psikooz** · 02-07-2002, 07:16 PM

i have allways done that

**CyberGod** · 02-07-2002, 07:57 PM

I workout at 9:30 PM, get my postworkout shake at 11:00 PM, and sleep right after it...so as str8 said, I cant really depend in another meal after my postworkout shake.

1 Liter of skim milk + 1.5 serving of Optimums 100% + 1 Tablespoon of Honey.

70 g of protein (50 whey/50 casein)
80g of carbs

Seems to me like a descent ratio.

Also to "prove" that casein doesn't interfere with whey absorption..I'm not sure about that proof but since i studied a bit about the kidney function and urine coloration, I'm trying to figure out a theory..anyways help me out if you can

Here goes:

I drink a lot of water during the day, but i stop drinking at 6:00 PM (however, i drink water during my workout)...anyways, around 5:00 PM, i start pissing water : very slight yellow colour. I still piss maybe 3 times before bed, everytime it's water pee

Meaning, I am very well hydrated and I'm not excreting any urea.

Anyways, RIGHT after my postworkout shake, i sleep and wake up 1-2 hour later, to go to the bathroom and BANG! Dark- YELLOW PEE!
Here's my conclusion: Protein absorption + Fast absorption (less than 1 hour) = Intense Urea , leading to intense excretion, leading to peeing. Since it's dark-yellow, we might conclude that I'm excreting urea, hence my whey protein has been absorbed.
I also go to the bathroom around 4 hours later, still dark pee, casein has been absorbed.

This is my conclusion, I still doubt its proof, but its a guess

**user87745477315471972481** · 02-07-2002, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by BiG RED HH
Im not sure about it coating your stomach, and even if it did, that would have very little to do w. absorbtion, since most absorbtion is done in the small intestine..but, milk contain casienate, which a slow digesting protein, and since food is digested at one time, not seperate parts at once, it would slow the rate at which the protein is passed into the small intestine thus slowing absorbtion rate. Also..lactose is low on the GI scale, you want something hi GI for post w/o.
Br

bump on BR

**Thorazine** · 02-07-2002, 09:05 PM

This comes straight from a man who's been in the industry and who desigins supplements.

As you have read in my posts - I say if using milk - use only skim milk because the milk fat has been removed - this is actually the binding content of casein - whole milk is very high in milk fat and the casein does in fact act to coat the stomach and block absorption of the protein - this much is true.

**milkman** · 02-08-2002, 12:23 AM

And what do you expect us to mix it with thor ?
I use pure whey isolate and dextrose. I've tried it in water and it just foams up.
I'll stick to milk at least i can drink the shake that way.

**Thorazine** · 02-08-2002, 12:33 AM

I don't "expect" anything.

I'm telling you what will give you the best results. If you fill a glass with an inch of water, put your stuff in, put water on top, and stir with a spoon (if you have a big glass, that is) it should mix just fine.

I can fit 4 scoops of Nlarge2 in there easily, I think you should be able to as well.

Thorazine

**US-Marine** · 02-08-2002, 06:37 AM

i'll stick with milk........extra cals........extra protein

**BigGunns** · 02-08-2002, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Thorazine
This comes straight from a man who's been in the industry and who desigins supplements.

That's not a good reference. Milk doesn't coat your stomach. it takes a little longer to digests. That's it. I guess according your theory you shouldn't drink milk with your food. Guess you just shouldn't drink milk..............lol

**Thorazine** · 02-08-2002, 02:05 PM

Sigh.

It's not my *theory*, and I'm talking about SPECIFICALLY postworkout, not at any point of the day.

POSTWORKOUT you want to flush your system rapidly with as much protein and nutrients as you can (during your insulin spike).

I'm saying when you mix it with milk, it inhibits this process.

And the reference is a very good one, go to the Arnold Classic and talk to him if you like. His name is Terry Giles...he'll be giving some lectures there.

Thorazine

**str8flexed** · 02-08-2002, 02:06 PM

re-read my post thor, i think i explained it well enough. You are partly right, but you didn't cover the whole thing.
Peace bro

**Thorazine** · 02-08-2002, 02:10 PM

I agree str8, I didn't cover the issue well enough because I don't know enough about the issue to.

And I can't seem to find the thread that explained it all...

I still advocate that faster absorbtion will be more effective in the long run.

Thorazine

**str8flexed** · 02-08-2002, 02:26 PM

Depends on if whether or not you have another big meal about an hour after your liquid fast absorbing meal.
Peace

**ex_banana-eater** · 02-08-2002, 02:31 PM

the stomache dosnt absorb protein. haha

**mass** · 02-08-2002, 03:45 PM

i'm gonna stick with milk for post workout. nlarge2 with water tastes really nasty with choclate. i tried it today and nearly through up.

**andy1** · 02-08-2002, 03:51 PM

i just picked up optimum nutrition whey, im lactose intolerant so mixing it with milk all the time wouldnt be the best idea. Chocolate isnt to great for me either, however the dude working there told me mixing vanilla with water doesnt taste decent. He said besdies the chocolate flavour is just artificial anyway its not like nestle quik or anything. I mixed it with water today and i noticed alot of lumps i kept stirin away, a little bit was left over this is normal no? or should i blend it. Also for the last serving wether it be 2 or 3 times a day should it be consumed before you go to bed or maybe an hr before? just curious. I appreciate the help given on these threads its very helpful.

peace

ps. i posted this first in a diff thread it was originally supposed to be here my mistake.

**damnJeff** · 02-08-2002, 04:10 PM

I've always done it w/milk and have gotten great results.

Is milk good? All signs point to yes!

**milkman** · 02-08-2002, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Thorazine
I don't "expect" anything.

I'm telling you what will give you the best results. If you fill a glass with an inch of water, put your stuff in, put water on top, and stir with a spoon (if you have a big glass, that is) it should mix just fine.

I can fit 4 scoops of Nlarge2 in there easily, I think you should be able to as well.

Thorazine

You've never used pure whey isolate have you thor.
If i put a spoon in half the whey would weild itself to the spoon and the other half would just sit in the glass.
You can't mix it without a blender and at that only milk seems to hold it together if i use water i end up with 15cm of froath.

**US-Marine** · 02-08-2002, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Thorazine
Sigh.

It's not my *theory*, and I'm talking about SPECIFICALLY postworkout, not at any point of the day.

POSTWORKOUT you want to flush your system rapidly with as much protein and nutrients as you can (during your insulin spike).

I'm saying when you mix it with milk, it inhibits this process.

And the reference is a very good one, go to the Arnold Classic and talk to him if you like. His name is Terry Giles...he'll be giving some lectures there.

Thorazine

in my opinion milk is the better choice..........water is friggin nasty.....i just had to take my shake in water cuz i was out o milk. it sucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plus you get more protein and more calories which is what you want anyway. you will digest it just as fast.

after i drink it with 2 glasses of milk my stomach is bloated and 10 minutes later its flat again so it was all digested that quick.

MILK=WHEY TO GO...get it? WHEY!....hahahaha im so funny

**hooty mcboobs** · 02-08-2002, 05:28 PM

I can hardly stomach a water and whey mix. Its kinda like its gonna be a milk+whey+sugar or nothing at all.

**BiG RED HH** · 02-08-2002, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by ex_banana-eater
the stomache dosnt absorb protein. haha

No...nearly all the nutrients you take in are absorbed in the small intestine. The stomach simply starts the process of digesting it.

Br

**mickeys** · 02-08-2002, 07:16 PM

it also contains fat which slows obsorbtion, you want the protein obsorbed immediatley

**ex_banana-eater** · 02-08-2002, 07:51 PM

thats what i was saying big red

**Thorazine** · 02-08-2002, 07:55 PM

I think that "fat slowing down digestion" is just a theory....

Thorazine

**ex_banana-eater** · 02-08-2002, 07:59 PM

fat takes waaaaaay longer to digest that protein. hours. your gallbladder produces bile to break it down, while the protein you ate is getting digested anyway. why would fat slow down the digestion process of protein??? it dosnt make sence , im with thor its a myth

**Loyboy1996** · 08-15-2012, 01:41 PM

Ive talked to so many people about this online and at GNC i was talking to the manager and everyone ive talked to agreed you lose gains mixing post workout protein with milk, i find it funny when people buy Hydrowhey and mix it with milk.

**LNCB96** · 08-15-2012, 02:12 PM

Strong 10 year bump.

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