Clean Foods List - Protein, Carbs, Fats, and Condiments

[WonderPug]

Thanks for the insight. I didn't know the latest bodybuilding forum FAD was to abolish the word Clean/Dirty foods. My mistake. I'm sure it will make a comeback next week, or in 5 mins when someone posts a thread asking for some foods they should choose from while dieting.

You still don't get it.

The terms do not have standard definitions. People have different interpretations as to what "clean" and "dirty" food mean and thus it's a rather useless way to describe foods.

Furthermore, you gave a your definition of clean food, yet your list of "clean foods" violated your own definition.

[jcosley]

You still don't get it.

The terms do not have standard definitions. People have different interpretations as to what "clean" and "dirty" food mean and thus it's a rather useless way to describe foods.

Furthermore, you gave a your definition of clean food, yet your list of "clean foods" violated your own definition.

Much appreciated if you would just stop posting in this thread.

[bbavender]

I'm fine, I ain't mad. If they would have made logical suggestions instead of pretty much calling me an idiot when it comes to nutrition. Why does it matter what foods I consider CLEAN and others do not? I don't find it misleading as the foods I have on my list are great healthy, nutrient dense options and have a lot to offer when it comes to bodybuilding. That is all, I ain't mad...I just would like to be treated respectable and not just shot down without any logic saying YOU ARE WRONG. That kind of stuff rubs me the wrong way, can't really help that.

Never said you were wrong. But if someone who is new to the sport of bodybuilding and nutrition. If they happened to come across your original post, they would think that's what they would need to eat to achieve their goals, which isn't true. That is all that we were suggesting. Not calling you an idiot or telling you that you were incorrect.

[WonderPug]

Much appreciated if you would just stop posting in this thread.

And this defines the problem with your method. It's your way or nothing, regardless of the evidence in opposition to your stance.

This is a public forum and you're subject to challenge when you post things that others disagree with. And remember, I don't stand alone in my objection to what you posted. For example, I offer the following from this thread:

2ndly, Wonderpug allowed you to demonstrate that you could not define "clean" by pointing out inconsistencies between the definition you gave and the foods you listed. Therefore, he is correct that "clean" is a subjective & abstract term at best, which was evident in your failure to cohesively define it.

[jcosley]

Never said you were wrong. But if someone who is new to the sport of bodybuilding and nutrition. If they happened to come across your original post, they would think that's what they would need to eat to achieve their goals, which isn't true. That is all that we were suggesting. Not calling you an idiot or telling you that you were incorrect.

Thanks.

So sticking to this list has no merit in results whatsoever?

And this defines the problem with your method. It's your way or nothing, regardless of the evidence in opposition to your stance.

This is a public forum and you're subject to challenge when you post things that others disagree with. And remember, I don't stand alone in my objection to what you posted. For example, I offer the following from this thread:

Love you.

[WonderPug]

So sticking to this list has no merit in results whatsoever?

That's correct.

You could alter that list, adding whole foods and/or deleting foods you list, and it would not impact results, which are based on total caloric intake and the macronutrients contained therein.

[bbavender]

I could eat everything on that list and lose, maintain, or gain weight. Its all about how much of anything that you eat. I could eat the "cleanest" diet out there, and still weight 500 pounds.

[MagicSteve]

Clean foods are ones i haven't slept with.

[snorkelman]

That's correct.

You could alter that list, adding whole foods and/or deleting foods you list, and it would not impact results, which are based on total caloric intake and the macronutrients contained therein.

See OP, the beauty is that this should open the mind to less rigid eating limitations. Lots of people assume that they must eat cottage cheese before bed and that they must eat oatmeal as a carb, etc. The key is finding some foods that you enjoy, as eating foods you like goes a long way towards sticking to a meal plan.

[JimmySniper]

I think a list like the one that OP posted is good. A lot of people don't have the time when they're shopping around to check nutritional values for their meals, so it's handy knowing beforehand what are some typical protein, carb, and fat sources.

[desslok]

I think it has to do with rep power of OP, and thread title. Think if a new user joins, and does a search. There are 2 threads. One is titled "My opinion on..." or "My experience with..." and the other thread is "The facts about..."(even if it is implied fact by context). If a new user were to read those different threads and noticed the rep power of the OP, do you see how it could skew their thinking? Even if its just that "first impression" that kind of gets stuck in peoples heads.

[jcosley]

I think it has to do with rep power of OP, and thread title. Think if a new user joins, and does a search. There are 2 threads. One is titled "My opinion on..." or "My experience with..." and the other thread is "The facts about..."(even if it is implied fact by context). If a new user were to read those different threads and noticed the rep power of the OP, do you see how it could skew their thinking? Even if its just that "first impression" that kind of gets stuck in peoples heads.

I'm only going off what I've read by countless bodybuilders (Cutler, Dexter, Heath, etc) and what they consider CLEAN FOODS....I guess BB.COM forum members have more of a say in what is right and wrong when it comes to dieting/bulking and nutrition over them.

Just sayin...

[Beech27]

I'm only going off what I've read by countless bodybuilders (Cutler, Dexter, Heath, etc) and what they consider CLEAN FOODS....I guess BB.COM forum members have more of a say in what is right and wrong when it comes to dieting/bulking and nutrition over them.

The facts have no bias. It doesn't matter one bit who is providing it; the truth is what it is. And the truth, in this case, is that an infinite variety of foods can combine to help someone hit their macros, and thus achieve their goals. Certain foods might have fringe benefits as far as micronutrient density, satiety, etc.; but in terms of body composition, calories and macros count far more.

[Joseph1990]

I know, I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. My AVI pics show it also. So do my lifts in the gym. When you are doing 120s dumb bell bench with ease for 10-12 reps and military press with 85s for reps, then come talk to me son.

Helping others FAIL.

I see you started in 1997. I am 2-3 months in lifting what you are lifting lawls. And I have been cutting LAWL! my noob gains outweigh your life apparently.

[synthetic]

I could eat the "cleanest" diet out there, and still weight 500 pounds.

but you would live a bit longer, and the weight can be burned of easier... (pubmed olive oill over saturated fats for fat loss)

[foosoomin]

Thanks threadstarter for providing such a good "cleaner" food list

[iLovemyLuxe]

hey man! fruit isnt clean it has SOOOOO much sugar!

[dustinh6719]

but you would live a bit longer, and the weight can be burned of easier... (pubmed olive oill over saturated fats for fat loss)

lol

[JValjean724]

I often have joked about there being a list of food that was ok for cleantologists to eat but had never seen an actual attempt at one.

Thanks OP for the laugh

Nutrient Dense (vitamins, minerals, fiber, etc) - some foods may be arguable.

Generally... foods free of artificial preservatives, coloring, irradiation, synthetic pesticides, fungicides, ripening agents, fumigants, drug residues and growth hormones" and those that are "processed, packaged, transported and stored to retain maximum nutritional value. (IE: Organic fruits, veggies, milk/cheese, meats, etc)
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You do not like green eggs and ham?

You do not like them Sam-I-Am?

[FunkMasterPhil]

I see you started in 1997. I am 2-3 months in lifting what you are lifting lawls. And I have been cutting LAWL! my noob gains outweigh your life apparently.

in4 video of 120 DB bench from 2-3months of training @ 174lbs

[foodandfitness]

OP, I think it would be beneficial to think more in terms of "clean diet" rather than "clean foods."

There are many foods that have unique nutrition profiles compared to other foods like salmon for the omega 3s, soy for isoflavones, yogurt for probiotics.
And foods with exceptionally high amounts of fiber, vitamins, minerals, etc such as beans, and liver.

There is nothing wrong with the mentality of wanting to include plenty of nutrient dense foods in the diet. I understand where you were coming from, but "clean foods" are only nutritious if they fit together with the rest of a varied and moderate diet. There are no "clean" or "dirty" foods. Try to think "sometimes" and "always" foods. The reality is that people who want to eat cheesecake every day can, they just work it into their overall diet.

If you want to achieve maximum health and fitness, focus on a "clean" lifestyle. Don't smoke, wear your seatbelt, eat a varied and moderate amount of food, exercise, and have lots of great sex. Don't sweat the small stuff.

[themoose333]

If you want to achieve maximum health and fitness, focus on a "clean" lifestyle. Don't smoke, wear your seatbelt, eat a varied and moderate amount of food, exercise, and have lots of great sex. Don't sweat the small stuff.

lol

[trance__dreamer]

lol

what's so funny? o__O

[Zuggie]

If you want to achieve maximum health and fitness, focus on a "clean" lifestyle. Don't smoke, wear your seatbelt, eat a varied and moderate amount of food, exercise, and have lots of great sex. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Exactly, I think the wording of the original post got everyones panties in a bunch.. I think OP had good intentions with his post..

[Beech27]

Exactly, I think the wording of the original post got everyones panties in a bunch.. I think OP had good intentions with his post..

Well you know what the road to hell is paved with...

Not trying to damn OP, obviously. I'm sure he meant well. But, call it nit picking, he was wrong. People pointed it out. Nothing personal.

[Joseph1990]

Exactly, I think the wording of the original post got everyones panties in a bunch.. I think OP had good intentions with his post..

Yes most likely miss understood post. Most intelligent post in this entire 3 page thread right here^

[WonderPug]

I'm only going off what I've read by countless bodybuilders (Cutler, Dexter, Heath, etc)

But they'll also often advocate for six or more meals a day, reducing carb intake after 6pm, the anabolic window and various other myths.

what they consider CLEAN FOODS....I guess BB.COM forum members have more of a say in what is right and wrong when it comes to dieting/bulking and nutrition over them.

The point you keep missing is that there is no accepted definition of clean foods. Each bodybuilder is likely to have a different take on what is "clean" food and even your list contradicts your own definition of clean food.

Diet soda and skim milk are among the foods you recommend as clean. What's the problem with this? Well, a newbie might well take your list as the gospel and think such are actually uniquely beneficial for bodybuilding, but they are not.

Next, using the published "advice" of professional bodybuilders is, perhaps, a bit naive. Why? Because the IFBB pros that you noted are spokespeople for supplement companies and thus advocate for programs consistant with the dietary philosophy of said companies. Such advocacy is often in opposition to published, peer-reviewed research.

Additionally, the pros that you mentioned are heavily dependent on exogenous hormonal regulation, which alters their dietary needs compared to individuals relient on endogenous hormonal regulation.

[AlwaysTryin]

It's threads like this that start that whole clean v dirty 5hit

no wonder people have ED's and consider things as dirty or bad when they are fine

[alfred18]

WonderPug, I need 300 more calories I already met my protein and fat ratio. Can I eat some eggo's to meet my daily input? Will it set me back from achieving my goals?

[WonderPug]

WonderPug, I need 300 more calories I already met my protein and fat ratio. Can I eat some eggo's to meet my daily input? Will it set me back from achieving my goals?

Thanks for bring back memories of the "L'Eggo My Eggo" commercial from many moons ago. Oh, the memories.

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Yq1...eature=related

And enjoy your Eggo