.444 vs .45-70 (reps)

[CmC520]

people with knowledge on these calibers, feel free to state advantages/disadvantages on these guns.

Im in the market for one of these to be used for hunting whitetail deer during primative weapon.

[F2.]

people with knowledge on these calibers, feel free to state advantages/disadvantages on these guns.

Im in the market for one of these to be used for hunting whitetail deer during primative weapon.

unless your state has some wacky laws you can't use those for primative


gotta use a muzzle loader

[CmC520]

unless your state has some wacky laws you can't use those for primative


gotta use a muzzle loader

A .444 or a .45 70 is perfectly legal.

PRIMITIVE WEAPONS
"Primitive firearms" for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double barreled muzzle-loading rifles of at least .38 caliber; single shot, breech loading, cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions or reintroductions of those type rifles; and single or double-barreled muzzle-loading, shotguns with single ball or slug. All muzzle-loading Primitive Firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with either percussion caps or #209 shotgun primers or flintlock ignition. Breech loading single shot rifles must have exposed hammers and use metallic cartridges. Cartridges may be loaded either with black powder or modern smokeless powder. Scopes of any magnification are allowed on primitive weapons.

[RatherBeLifting]

A .444 or a .45 70 is perfectly legal.

PRIMITIVE WEAPONS
"Primitive firearms" for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double barreled muzzle-loading rifles of at least .38 caliber; single shot, breech loading, cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions or reintroductions of those type rifles; and single or double-barreled muzzle-loading, shotguns with single ball or slug. All muzzle-loading Primitive Firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with either percussion caps or #209 shotgun primers or flintlock ignition. Breech loading single shot rifles must have exposed hammers and use metallic cartridges. Cartridges may be loaded either with black powder or modern smokeless powder. Scopes of any magnification are allowed on primitive weapons.

How in the piss is a break action metallic .45-70 a "primitive weapon"? Thats a stupid ass law.

[CmC520]

I dont make the laws brah, just follow them, alot of states made .45 70 and .444 acceptable for muzzleloaders,

Under the new ruling, any single shot, breech-loading rifle with an exposed hammer
and a minimum caliber size will qualify as a primitive weapon.

[cavymeister]

I dont make the laws brah, just follow them, alot of states made .45 70 and .444 acceptable for muzzleloaders,

Under the new ruling, any single shot, breech-loading rifle with an exposed hammer
and a minimum caliber size will qualify as a primitive weapon.

Damn. So you can have a Breech-Loading .338 Lapua Mag with a big 'ole leupold on it in primitive... Sounds a little off to me. But hey, If you can do it, go for it!

[freddy kruger]

What companies make repro trapdoor springfields?

[RatherBeLifting]

I dont make the laws brah, just follow them, alot of states made .45 70 and .444 acceptable for muzzleloaders,

Under the new ruling, any single shot, breech-loading rifle with an exposed hammer
and a minimum caliber size will qualify as a primitive weapon.

yeah nothing against you, I would use it if I could. I'm just saying it's a stupid law.

[lsuchase]

its the same in louisiana



EDIT

Just realized that he is indeed in louisiana, in that case go with 45-70, you can find that all over the state now

[Geno]

There is no noticeable difference between the two.

[CmC520]

its the same in louisiana



EDIT

Just realized that he is indeed in louisiana, in that case go with 45-70, you can find that all over the state now

yep,I hunt in mississippi though, same law.

[Hartski]

.45-70 ammo is probably easier to come by.

[CmC520]

.45-70 ammo is probably easier to come by.

really? whats the difference in recoil? what about accuracy and the bullet dropping after say 100 yards?

[Hartski]

Accurracy depends on the weapon and the shooter. As far as ballistics tables, a quick google search should tell you all you need to klnow.

[Ricky112]

What companies make repro trapdoor springfields?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/928847347..._SR_AS_NEW.htm

I'm pretty sure a company like Pedersoli would make them as well

just checked, yup

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/?ite...Id=270&lang=en

[Steak_n_Taters]

Any laws like this for Texas where I could start the season early with a modern "primitive" weapon?

[Hartski]

Have a tough time considering a scoped Thompson Contender a primitive weapon......

[ratmonkey]

we're not even capable of using an inline for our primitieve season.

takes all the fun out of trying to lob a ball at a deer in 3ft of snow at -10*.

[X-ring]

You can educate yourself on the trip 4 and the 45-70's capabilities on (www.beartoothbullets.com). The shooters forum is a wealth of info. and the cast ammo I shoot from my Marlin LTD IV comes from this guy. If you reload for the 45-70 the capabilities are endless and i'd feel the utmost confidence shooting anything on this planet with my gun. If ya don't reload GARRETT ammo and CORBON ammo come to mind. I killed a lot of critters from gophers to elk with my 45-70.