Rippetoes rows vs cleans

[jessiewald80]

Hey all.

I have a few quick Starting Strength questions.

I started starting strength on monday, and am still pretty sore today, but will give squats a go with the same weight and see how it goes. I feel like adding weight is not a possibility with the soreness. What would you think of using the same, or slightly less weight on Wednesday and increasing on Friday?

Also, I have read that the clean shouldn't necessarily replace the row in a routine, so I was thinking, has anyone cycled the clean and row throughout the week or weekly, or is this not recommended?

Thanks a lot.

[rpdm]

> I feel like adding weight is not a possibility with the soreness.
If it's soreness and not outright pain, lifting will actually help.

> What would you think of using the same, or slightly less weight on Wednesday and increasing on Friday?
Give adding weight an honest try first. Provided you're not injured, you should only work the same or less weight when you stall out. Anything else is just an excuse.

> has anyone cycled the clean and row throughout the week or weekly
I'd ask why you're changing the program. Unless you have a damn good reason, it's best to do it as written for a while.

[justroberson]

So you want to start a program by not doing it correctly? Everybody is sore the first few times they squat. You got all your reps right? Then up the f'in weight. Thats the whole point of SS.

There are no rows in starting strength. Do the program as is, with cleans, for awhile. If you still feel like your back is not getting enough work, add chin-ups or pull-ups after the cleans, not rows.

[Grizvok]

You messed the program up already by starting too high on your initial lifts.

[Engineer_Guy]

Hey all.

I have a few quick Starting Strength questions.

I started starting strength on monday, and am still pretty sore today, but will give squats a go with the same weight and see how it goes. I feel like adding weight is not a possibility with the soreness. What would you think of using the same, or slightly less weight on Wednesday and increasing on Friday?

Also, I have read that the clean shouldn't necessarily replace the row in a routine, so I was thinking, has anyone cycled the clean and row throughout the week or weekly, or is this not recommended?

Thanks a lot.

The soreness from squatting should mostly go away in time. You'll still get slightly sore but not nearly as bad as the first few times. Continue adding weight.

Most people on these forums are going to criticize you for even mentioning changing the program. To be honest if you follow the SS model you're going to see progress. The SS model is doing 3-4 full body exercises three times a week and increasing the weight on those lifts which each successful workout.

Replacing the cleans with rows isn't going to stop you from progressing. If you're training for a sport I would say do the power cleans however most of us are not. You could also add rows as accessory work and do the power cleans as intended.

[jessiewald80]

Hey.

Well I just did the workout. I did the squats, and added 10 lbs!! The soreness wasn't a bother when working out which is weird.

About adding rows as accessory work, yeah thats what I meant. I dont want to get rid of cleans, but do them both. My question was when to add them throughout the week.

Thanks for the replies.

[grumble1]

You can do either rows or cleans, it doesn't really matter that much. Use either one to get big and strong.

[nkh]

You can do either rows or cleans, it doesn't really matter that much. Use either one to get big and strong.

It matters to Mark Rippetoe, who wrote the book and designed the program.

Do the power cleans.

[Slow-N-Steady]

The soreness from squatting should mostly go away in time. You'll still get slightly sore but not nearly as bad as the first few times. Continue adding weight.

Most people on these forums are going to criticize you for even mentioning changing the program. To be honest if you follow the SS model you're going to see progress. The SS model is doing 3-4 full body exercises three times a week and increasing the weight on those lifts which each successful workout.

Replacing the cleans with rows isn't going to stop you from progressing. If you're training for a sport I would say do the power cleans however most of us are not. You could also add rows as accessory work and do the power cleans as intended.

You can do either rows or cleans, it doesn't really matter that much. Use either one to get big and strong.

Agreed, reps...

It matters to Mark Rippetoe, who wrote the book and designed the program.

Do the power cleans.

lol

[GoJackets89]

although rows aren't in the program, if you progress them the same as the other lifts it should be fine, but don't go calling it SS because you will get flamed for it as you have seen by a few of these posts.