15 year old kid, what should he take?

[MattY0234]

This kid, Jared, he's 14 now, is like my little brother, he works at my familys reptile and exotic pet shop, and the gym said he could join when he's 15 in March and come with me because I'll be 18.

My workout buddy/best friend is telling him he should do protein, L-Argenine or some vascodialotor (idk what the term is, but L-Argenine or an n.o. product etc), probably going to tell him creatine and BCAA's too and whatever we would take. He's about 5' 4"/5' 5" 120lbs. He's gone to his doctor before for some kind of testerone build up in his nipple or something, I guess it's normal. But at his age and size is there anything I should be concerned about him doing? A couple older guys I talked to said he should only take protein.

I'm concerned because either my friend or myself will be responsible for this kid. And as long as that's the case I want to be sure whatever we're encouraging is best for him.

I'd appreciate any input you may have.

[jdaring]

This kid, Jared, he's 14 now, is like my little brother, he works at my familys reptile and exotic pet shop, and the gym said he could join when he's 15 in March and come with me because I'll be 18.

My workout buddy/best friend is telling him he should do protein, L-Argenine or some vascodialotor (idk what the term is, but L-Argenine or an n.o. product etc), probably going to tell him creatine and BCAA's too and whatever we would take. He's about 5' 4"/5' 5" 120lbs. He's gone to his doctor before for some kind of testerone build up in his nipple or something, I guess it's normal. But at his age and size is there anything I should be concerned about him doing? A couple older guys I talked to said he should only take protein.

I'm concerned because either my friend or myself will be responsible for this kid. And as long as that's the case I want to be sure whatever we're encouraging is best for him.

I'd appreciate any input you may have.

a kid that young i wouldn't start right off the bat with any supplements at all. Just get him on a good basic lifting program and make sure he eats a lot of good high quality nutrient dense food. MAYBE a whey shake post workout at the most. Wait a few months until he's gotten into a routine of lifting then maybe branch into a creatine powder. Just my two cents.

[MattY0234]

a kid that young i wouldn't start right off the bat with any supplements at all. Just get him on a good basic lifting program and make sure he eats a lot of good high quality nutrient dense food. MAYBE a whey shake post workout at the most. Wait a few months until he's gotten into a routine of lifting then maybe branch into a creatine powder. Just my two cents.

no man I appreciate it. I agree.

Can you explain to me some reasons why, so I can explain them too

[dirtydean12]

IMO the best thing for noobs to start with are the absolute basics, which will be cheap and effective and last a while...

-multi
-fish oil/efa's
-creatine
-whey and casein proteins

[Jared509]

Food/Thread

[JCTWP46]

FOOD FOOD and More FOOD. Protein powders would be ok too, but IMO he should just build a solid base with that and a routine before he starts taking pwo's or creatine.

[Dden]

I would say at his age just do a protein, he doesnt really need a creatine because he should get some good response from just lifting, taking protein and eating rite because he just started. Once he starts to plateau which shouldnt be for a while, then maybe start some creatine, bcaas..etc

[mkal]

Lots of food and water (limit the soda and coffee). After a while, maybe add a multi and fish oils, then maybe some protein powder a bit later. He probably shouldn't even worry about pre-workouts, bcaa's, etc. until 18 or so.

[jdaring]

no man I appreciate it. I agree.

Can you explain to me some reasons why, so I can explain them too

Basically at that age the hormones in his body are going nuts already. There's no need to add anything fancy into the mix like test or hgh boosters, fat burners, etc, because he's already firing on all cylinders so to speak. If he starts lifting heavy weights with good form on a regular basis, and feeds his body with lots of beef/chicken/fish and good complex carbs, he's going to see the type of gains without supplements that dudes like me in our 30s would kill to get but don't no matter what supplements we take.

[dirtydean12]

FOOD FOOD and More FOOD. Protein powders would be ok too, but IMO he should just build a solid base with that and a routine before he starts taking pwo's or creatine.

I would say at his age just do a protein, he doesnt really need a creatine because he should get some good response from just lifting, taking protein and eating rite because he just started. Once he starts to plateau which shouldnt be for a while, then maybe start some creatine, bcaas..etc

What are your reasons for not taking a plain creatine like some mono powder or straight creatine caps?

Lots of food and water (limit the soda and coffee). After a while, maybe add a multi and fish oils, then maybe some protein powder a bit later. He probably shouldn't even worry about pre-workouts, bcaa's, etc. until 18 or so.

Why wait to add multis/fish oil?? What's your reasoning??

And why not bcaas? Do you have a reason for any of this or does it just sound good to you...?

[JBurnisky]

Fooooood food and more food

[LouB2010]

Too young to take stuff...that's my opinion...a whey shake couldn't hurt... but no to taking creatine or bcaa's...just too young

[jwpaine]

Fooooood food and more food

This.

I wouldn't even waste money on whey

[mkal]

Why wait to add multis/fish oil?? What's your reasoning??

And why not bcaas? Do you have a reason for any of this or does it just sound good to you...?

I think that multis, fish oils, and bcaa's are all great to supplement with, but with someone his age, I think it's best to keep things as simple as possible - so when he starts off, all he should worry about is eating enough and staying hydrated. Then, once he's gotten into it, start with the most basic supplements (multi and fish oil). After that, add in bcaa's if he feels he needs it. Another factor is his parents. I don't know how they feel about all of it, but sometimes parents aren't too keen on supplements. Starting with a multi/fish oil is a good intro for his parents into supplements because they're usually recommended by many health people. Once they see that taking the supplements aren't harming him or anything, add in some BCAAs. At that point, hopefully his parents should be cool with it as the multi/FO gave a bit of a foot-in-the-door effect. Is there any scientific backing for my recommendation? Nope, just personal opinion.

[Bespetna]

I think he should only take 1 or 2 scoops of whey max a day. Theres nothing bad about him taking creatin or anything else though. I wouldnt worry about him too much. Just do very low doses as to not waste product in the beginning.

[TMac26]

I think that multis, fish oils, and bcaa's are all great to supplement with, but with someone his age, I think it's best to keep things as simple as possible - so when he starts off, all he should worry about is eating enough and staying hydrated. Then, once he's gotten into it, start with the most basic supplements (multi and fish oil). After that, add in bcaa's if he feels he needs it. Another factor is his parents. I don't know how they feel about all of it, but sometimes parents aren't too keen on supplements. Starting with a multi/fish oil is a good intro for his parents into supplements because they're usually recommended by many health people. Once they see that taking the supplements aren't harming him or anything, add in some BCAAs. At that point, hopefully his parents should be cool with it as the multi/FO gave a bit of a foot-in-the-door effect. Is there any scientific backing for my recommendation? Nope, just personal opinion.

I Agee completely. There is no reason a 14 teen year old should be using anything like that so early. He needs a good program a good diet some good food and plenty of sleep. After doing that for a year or so he can start looking at supplements.

[dirtydean12]

Too young to take stuff...that's my opinion...a whey shake couldn't hurt... but no to taking creatine or bcaa's...just too young

I think that multis, fish oils, and bcaa's are all great to supplement with, but with someone his age, I think it's best to keep things as simple as possible - so when he starts off, all he should worry about is eating enough and staying hydrated. Then, once he's gotten into it, start with the most basic supplements (multi and fish oil). After that, add in bcaa's if he feels he needs it. Another factor is his parents. I don't know how they feel about all of it, but sometimes parents aren't too keen on supplements. Starting with a multi/fish oil is a good intro for his parents into supplements because they're usually recommended by many health people. Once they see that taking the supplements aren't harming him or anything, add in some BCAAs. At that point, hopefully his parents should be cool with it as the multi/FO gave a bit of a foot-in-the-door effect. Is there any scientific backing for my recommendation? Nope, just personal opinion.

Isn't a multi recommended to pretty much everyone, regardless of exercise? And the other stuff is natural stuff that he might not be getting from diet...should we not have children pop their flintstones anymore? No more eating red meat because it has creatine and aminos? I don't see a problem with it at all, and I think it will actually help him build a very solid base...

[parker171]

IMO the best thing for noobs to start with are the absolute basics, which will be cheap and effective and last a while...

-multi
-fish oil/efa's
-creatine
-whey and casein proteins

totally agree but i wouldn't start the creatine for a few months until you get a good routine going

[mkal]

Isn't a multi recommended to pretty much everyone, regardless of exercise? And the other stuff is natural stuff that he might not be getting from diet...should we not have children pop their flintstones anymore? No more eating red meat because it has creatine and aminos? I don't see a problem with it at all, and I think it will actually help him build a very solid base...

You're completely missing the point here - he needs to start with a solid nutritional backing, not supplements. A solid diet is the best supplement in existence. Yes, creatine is in red meat, and he should be eating that. He's very young, his body is going to grow regardless of if he is supplementing or not, so why waste the money and lead him to believe that supplements even come close in importance compared to a solid diet?

[JCTWP46]

Too many people try to rely solely on supps and think that supps will make them "monsters". By giving him a good nutritional base he'll understand in the years to come that nutrition is everything and supplements are extras for a little help.

Teach him that its all about nutrition and a good lifting routine.

[Dden]

What are your reasons for not taking a plain creatine like some mono powder or straight creatine caps?



Why wait to add multis/fish oil?? What's your reasoning??

And why not bcaas? Do you have a reason for any of this or does it just sound good to you...?

I already said why. He will get good enough results without it and when he plateaus then he should get on it. Again he probably wont plateau for a long time because of his age. His testosterone and hormone levels are already sky high right now so there is no need for anything else but a good diet and protein.

[Darsh89]

None of the supps the op posted is going to hurt him, although he doenst need them. Go with protein, multi v and fish oil and get a solid diet down. After consistently eating and lifting for 6 months he can consider creatine

[MattY0234]

Thanks for all the input guys

I was just thinking about how when I started about a year and a half ago doing some parkour conditioning workouts (aka useless, but it got me in the right mind set), I would just eat some high protein foods after, sometimes my buddy would make me up a shake,

Early this year I started a basic weight training program in my basement and started supps with a multi, and omega-3's, a little later I started with whey and L-Argenine in about 1 gram a day, and then around the middle of this year I started taking around 20 grams of Argenine on a workout day.

A few months ago I started adding creatine.

More recently about a month ago I joined a gym and stopped Argenine and started taking jack3d and a mass gainer, but I still know how important a high protein and complex carb rich diet is for muscle and supps are only an aid but not the sole means to the end, only hard work and a good diet will get me there.

I didn't start exercising and throwing all these supplements in my body at once.

For some reason when I try to explain this the kid thinks I dont want him to get buff because I'm threatend by it or something??? But it's exactly what I did, 3 years makes a huge difference in physical development at the age buts he's not listening to me even though I've asked a lot of people, and then I dont know why my work out buddy is supporting the idea, his dad is power lifter who believes in strictly protein and carbs, and that supps are useless.

Neither one of em has confidence in me because I thought he was too young to even start at 15 but I told him to ask his doctor and if doctor said it was okay then I would be okay with it and his doctor was which is what my workout buddy said the whole time, so now he only wants to listen to my buddy haha

I'm simply trying to make sure he's doing this right if me and my friend are gonna be responsible for this kid, messing wth your body at this age can have some good results if you do it right or really mess it up but he also doesn't get that. So I'm going to show him all this. Continued input is appreciated too, but thanks a lot for all the advice so far, I'm sure he'll appreciate it too when he has good results haha.

And I dont think his parents are really all that concerned to be honest.

[MattY0234]

I already said why. He will get good enough results without it and when he plateaus then he should get on it. Again he probably wont plateau for a long time because of his age. His testosterone and hormone levels are already sky high right now so there is no need for anything else but a good diet and protein.

I've been told all this before and thats why I'm on my current stack, but which supps actually are related to boosting testosterone, again?

and like you said, where he's at as a noob he's got a lot of time before he plateaus for sure.

[ek08]

Its hard when your 15 i started when i was 16 but light weights its important because in your early teens is when growth is critical. Probably just light workouts and hell be a champ in no time
-Ek

This kid, Jared, he's 14 now, is like my little brother, he works at my familys reptile and exotic pet shop, and the gym said he could join when he's 15 in March and come with me because I'll be 18.

My workout buddy/best friend is telling him he should do protein, L-Argenine or some vascodialotor (idk what the term is, but L-Argenine or an n.o. product etc), probably going to tell him creatine and BCAA's too and whatever we would take. He's about 5' 4"/5' 5" 120lbs. He's gone to his doctor before for some kind of testerone build up in his nipple or something, I guess it's normal. But at his age and size is there anything I should be concerned about him doing? A couple older guys I talked to said he should only take protein.

I'm concerned because either my friend or myself will be responsible for this kid. And as long as that's the case I want to be sure whatever we're encouraging is best for him.

I'd appreciate any input you may have.

[meyer23]

food...food...and more food

[DenverTruong]

i was say food, multi vitamins, fish oil, and maybe whey protein. thats what i got my 15 year old cousin using

[Brawndo89]

IMO the best thing for noobs to start with are the absolute basics, which will be cheap and effective and last a while...

-multi
-fish oil/efa's
-creatine
-whey and casein proteins

You really recommend creatine for a 15 year old?

[Dden]

I've been told all this before and thats why I'm on my current stack, but which supps actually are related to boosting testosterone, again?

and like you said, where he's at as a noob he's got a lot of time before he plateaus for sure.

You dont even have to worry about boosting test untill your over 25. Im 19 and I use a booster but its only because I experimented with Test Sus when I was younger so I dont naturally produce as much anymore.

[urcool]

i dont understand why people are saying maybe protein powders or not to take protein powders yet, thats food bro! take as much of it as you need and i agree with one of the posters above, get him to get a solid base weight first with more food.