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    Proven supplements without side effects

    I'm looking for proven supps with no or minimal side effects, here is what I am taking so far:

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    I was looking at adding CLA but it seems it possibly has some pretty bad side effects. Are there any other obvious supps I am missing?
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    Originally Posted by Rasterman View Post
    I'm looking for proven supps with no or minimal side effects, here is what I am taking so far:

    Creatine
    BCAA
    HMB
    L-Glycine

    I was looking at adding CLA but it seems it possibly has some pretty bad side effects. Are there any other obvious supps I am missing?
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    Originally Posted by Street-dreams View Post
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    Technically paresthesia caused by beta-alanine is a side effect. Thats why this thread isnt going to go very far. Depending on what someone considers to be a side just about every product will have one. Its whether or not you consider that to be a negative or unsafe.

    Creatine causes water retention.

    Fish oil can cause the sh*ts etc etc etc.
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    Possibly thermocuts?
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Technically paresthesia caused by beta-alanine is a side effect. Thats why this thread isnt going to go very far. Depending on what someone considers to be a side just about every product will have one. Its whether or not you consider that to be a negative or unsafe.

    Creatine causes water retention.

    Fish oil can cause the sh*ts etc etc etc.
    Thanks for the suggestions! I'm researching them...

    Side effects which are deal breakers for me are chronic or permanent issues, severe health issues such as those dealing with the heart and organs. Temporary or simple effects such as water retention or bowel changes I would consider minimal and worth trying out the supplement for, I think most would agree.
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    Originally Posted by rmcdcfc88 View Post
    Possibly thermocuts?
    thanks for the suggestion, but it contains a laundry list of ingredients, some of which have potentially serious side effects (CLA), I would rather build my supp stack from scratch with proven supps, many of the extracts included are unknown if they do any good or harm.
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    Originally Posted by Rasterman View Post
    Thanks for the suggestions! I'm researching them...

    Side effects which are deal breakers for me are chronic or permanent issues, severe health issues such as those dealing with the heart and organs. Temporary or simple effects such as water retention or bowel changes I would consider minimal and worth trying out the supplement for, I think most would agree.
    Then you should be ok with most quality products. What specific goal are you working towards currently?
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    Originally Posted by Street-dreams View Post
    fishoil
    beta allanine
    citruline malate
    Thanks Doesn't sound like citruline is proven though:
    thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/citrulline-malate.htm

    beta allanine
    poweringmuscles.com/Sports-Science-30,Beta-alanine_Falls_Flat_In_New_Study.html
    poweringmuscles.com/Sports-Science-63,More_Negative_Results_For_Beta-alanine.html
    poweringmuscles.com/Sports-Science-49,Beta-alanine_Boosts_Strength-endurance.html
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    What bad side effects does CLA have? Wife was thinking of trying it.
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    Originally Posted by vabyss View Post
    Glucosamine
    Thanks, did some research and found nothing but good things, ordered!
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    Originally Posted by Snobum View Post
    What bad side effects does CLA have? Wife was thinking of trying it.
    Due to the studies below and the fact that I couldn't find any human trails there is no point in taking it for me, I am a firm believer that most of the supplements on the market do little to nothing, and many have side effects that aren't worth the intended effect of the supplement usually. Hell we still don't even know if vitamins are useful! LOL. Billions are spent on them, millions take them, there are studies done with results going both ways, the good news is they don't appear to have negative side effects so most people still take them, even though they very well may be flushing their money down the toilet.

    The placebo effect can have drastic effects on supplement use results, basically unless it has been tested in a double blind test with placebo, I doubt the results. And even with a good trail and good test results they are sometimes dubious, unless there are many trails will the same results the supplement may still be dubious. Which is why its so hard to find proven supplements, most of the time the trails are sponsored by a patent holder so those trials are usually invalid as well.

    Also remember it is only a supplement, without proper diet and exercise its worthless. Most supplements are supposed to enhance the results of diet and exercise and people depend too much on the supplement to do the work, when in fact its probably only supporting your motivation, which is fine. But realize the hard work (diet and exercise) is 90-99% of the results you are seeing. Anything that is powerful enough to effect you without diet and exercise is not going to be over the counter, and is probably not going to be nearly as safe or last.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cla

    There are concerns that the use of CLA supplements by overweight people may tend to cause or to aggravate insulin resistance, which may increase their risk of developing diabetes.

    In 2006, a study by the US Department of Agriculture suggested that CLA can induce essential fatty acid redistribution in mice. Changes in docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and arachidonic acid (AA) levels were observed in some organs. For instance, the t10,c12 CLA reduced the DHA content of heart tissue by 25%, while in the spleen, DHA content rose, and AA fell. DHA is an omega-3 fatty acid important to cardiovascular health and the dramatic reduction of DHA in heart tissue can have serious health consequences. In contrast, c9,t11 CLA did not alter DHA content in the heart, but did reduce spleen DHA slightly.[7] A study of CLA supplementation (equal amounts of c9,t11 and t10,c12) in hatchling chicks (2005) showed high mortality and low hatchability rates among CLA-supplemented groups, and also a decrease in brain DHA levels of CLA-treated chicks [1]. These studies raise the question of whether CLA may increase the risk of cardiovascular and inflammatory diseases, but it has yet to be established whether such changes occur in humans, and whether they are clinically relevant.
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    thanks.

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    Originally Posted by Rasterman View Post
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cla

    There are concern.
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    Originally Posted by Rasterman View Post
    I'm looking for proven supps with no or minimal side effects, here is what I am taking so far:

    Creatine
    BCAA
    HMB
    L-Glycine

    I was looking at adding CLA but it seems it possibly has some pretty bad side effects. Are there any other obvious supps I am missing?
    There is no real problem with CLA, last I read you can take up to 9 grams a day with no issues. I prefer to supplement with fish oil ( CL Oximega ) but it is your choice.

    As for HMB biggest side effect it had was on my wallet.
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