Would you cook your family if your God told you to?

[Nextstopearth]

So I was talking to this girl that I've know for years. Normal nice girl, with a good sense of humour and not exactly a square if you know what I mean. We started getting into a religious discussion. I knew she believed in god, but I didn't know exactly how religious she was about it. She thought the mormon religion was a lie and she mentioned that the Christian bible was flawless;which she maintained even after I revealed several contradictions(any story that has a contradiction must have not been meant to be taken literally, and any logical contradiction was avoided in some way).

So I asked her more as a joke, "If your god told you to literally cook your family...would you do it?" She answered, as seriously as could be "Of course." I took a second, waited for her to laugh or otherwise reveal her sarcasm. "Are you serious?" I ask. She affirms and adds "It sounds wierd to say, but I'm not crazy or anything..."

"You would cook your family... but you're not....crazy???"

Have any of you come across normal people in your lives that seem like normal people but are actually absolutely fuking bonkers???

[DaCougarMech]

i dont believe in god but if a deity told me to to cook my family, well i really dont have much of choice, do i?
i mean, it's all powerful and revealed itself to me

[rlanicek]

Are you familiar with the story of Abraham and Isaac?

I think if God really spoke to me, I would do whatever He said. I would never suppose that I am smarter than God.

[paolo59]

No, I wouldn't cook my family, but I might slow roast you on a spit!

[AKR]

Are you familiar with the story of Abraham and Isaac?

I think if God really spoke to me, I would do whatever He said. I would never suppose that I am smarter than God.

shall i add you to my sig?

[devire1]

shall i add you to my sig?

sarcasm... maybe?

[SteR-]

I'd cook them too..

If you accept the idea that God is the most powerful force in this universe then surely you have to realise that any attempt to go against Him is pointless?

[devire1]

i would ask god, rare medium or well done?


but seriously, her parents would deserve to be cooked for indoctrinating her to that degree.

[AKR]

sarcasm... maybe?

guess we'll find out when he answers. wouldn't suprise me if he's seirous.

[daehkcid]

I think my family might taste good with alittle barbecue sauce, maybe a little hickory. thats good eats.

[devire1]

has there ever been a thread that asked if people would kill for god?

[AKR]

has there ever been a thread that asked if people would kill for god?

apparently, you still haven't looked at my signature.

[SteR-]

But I don't understand why you wouldn't? If God proved Himself to you and asked you to kill for Him.. you would surely be an idiot not to? In fact it'd be totally illogical not to.

If your creator, who has absolute power over you, asks you to do something.. you pretty much have to do it..

[fkn_give_me_abs]

But I don't understand why you wouldn't? If God proved Himself to you and asked you to kill for Him.. you would surely be an idiot not to? In fact it'd be totally illogical not to.

If your creator, who has absolute power over you, asks you to do something.. you pretty much have to do it..

i would tell him to **** off... even if i truly believed he was real and talking to me, or at least ask him why.

i think i would rather burn in hell than hurt my family.

[SteR-]

I'm not saying I'd WANT to either, quite the opposite. But if my creator told me to do something I'd have to do it - no questions asked

[AKR]

But I don't understand why you wouldn't? If God proved Himself to you and asked you to kill for Him.. you would surely be an idiot not to? In fact it'd be totally illogical not to.

If your creator, who has absolute power over you, asks you to do something.. you pretty much have to do it..

no, you'd be an idiot to follow someone just because they have power over you. if a person came up to you with a gun and told you to cut your child's throat or be shot in the head, you'd slit your child's throat? wow, scary ****, man.

[SteR-]

no, you'd be an idiot to follow someone just because they have power over you. if a person came up to you with a gun and told you to cut your child's throat or be shot in the head, you'd slit your child's throat? wow, scary ****, man.

That's different but nvm, I'll stop here before this turns into a flame war

[AKR]

That's different but nvm, I'll stop here before this turns into a flame war

i'm not looking for a flame war; i'm looking for a good debate. how is that different? we're talking about someone who has power over you. whether it's god or a guy with a gun (let's say it's a ton of guys, so there's no way you can fight back). you're either saying that might = right, and god must know what's right, since he has more power, or you're saying you'd simply do it because he would punish you if you didn't do it. or you're saying both. so once again, it doesn't matter if it's god or guys with guns; if it's power over you that you cannot usefully resist, it's the same.

[SteR-]

ok well my personal reasoning is that I'd have to accept that God really is the 'ultimate being'. I'd assume that because He has created everything in existence, He has more knowledge/wisdom than I could ever concieve. Therefore, I'd HAVE to trust that God knows what He's doing and there is a reason for His request.

If another human were trying to overpower me, I'd simply reject his request on the grounds that they have no authority over me. Anything they want me to do can be explained to me so they'd have to at least explain their reasoning/request before I do anything for them.

Does that make sense?

[fkn_give_me_abs]

ok well my personal reasoning is that I'd have to accept that God really is the 'ultimate being'. I'd assume that because He has created everything in existence, He has more knowledge/wisdom than I could ever concieve. Therefore, I'd HAVE to trust that God knows what He's doing and there is a reason for His request.

If another human were trying to overpower me, I'd simply reject his request on the grounds that they have no authority over me. Anything they want me to do can be explained to me so they'd have to at least explain their reasoning/request before I do anything for them.

Does that make sense?

would you not even question god??

would you do it if his reason was "he looked at me funny"?

what would the limit be?

[myPecsRbigger]

what if you were halucinating ?

[AKR]

i simply do not understand the concept of "might equals right." why is god equated with absolute morality? why does having great power and intelligence mean that you're right about everything? i mean, look at the iq levels of some individuals with power. they are very intelligent, and yet, their morality goes against that of many religions, and most would agree that these are "morally corrupt" people. hitler was a smart, powerful man. are you telling me his moral system is better than that of someone with less power and intelligence? how does power make someone a good moral authority? how does intelligence do the same thing?

[SteR-]

would you not even question god??

would you do it if his reason was "he looked at me funny"?

what would the limit be?

Well yes I would obviously ask God first - I would at least try to understand why I was being asked to do such a thing. But ultimately, I would know that God knows why He's asking me to do this so I must obey...

Believe me, the LAST thing I would want to do is harm any of my family but God is greater.. I'd have to put Him first since He was the one who created my family in the first place

[devire1]

would you not even question god??

would you do it if his reason was "he looked at me funny"?

what would the limit be?

to him, god is all knowing, so god could never be wrong. whatever god told him to do would be the right thing to do in the eternal scheme of things.

[LatissimusDorsi]

Well yes I would obviously ask God first - I would at least try to understand why I was being asked to do such a thing. But ultimately, I would know that God knows why He's asking me to do this so I must obey...

Believe me, the LAST thing I would want to do is harm any of my family but God is greater.. I'd have to put Him first since He was the one who created my family in the first place

I like how u put a smiley face after what u just said...

[AKR]

ok well my personal reasoning is that I'd have to accept that God really is the 'ultimate being'. I'd assume that because He has created everything in existence, He has more knowledge/wisdom than I could ever concieve. Therefore, I'd HAVE to trust that God knows what He's doing and there is a reason for His request.

If another human were trying to overpower me, I'd simply reject his request on the grounds that they have no authority over me. Anything they want me to do can be explained to me so they'd have to at least explain their reasoning/request before I do anything for them.

Does that make sense?

see my other post for part of my reply. it wasn't necessarily directed at you when i made it, but you can find my opinions in there.

what if a bunch of rocket scientists with guns (this is sounding rediculous, but it has a point) told you to do the same thing? i mean, you're not a rocket scientist are you? surely they can fathom concepts you can only dream of grasping.

[SteR-]

i simply do not understand the concept of "might equals right." why is god equated with absolute morality? why does having great power and intelligence mean that you're right about everything? i mean, look at the iq levels of some individuals with power. they are very intelligent, and yet, their morality goes against that of many religions, and most would agree that these are "morally corrupt" people. hitler was a smart, powerful man. are you telling me his moral system is better than that of someone with less power and intelligence? how does power make someone a good moral authority? how does intelligence do the same thing?

But don't you understand.. if you accept that God created everything, then you must also accept that He CREATED morality. He created everything that you are and dicates how you feel and all your emotions.

It almost seems as though you percieve God as a creation within the boundaries of this universe.. like He's just a smarter being or something who is still tied down by human emotions/thoughts/reasoning. What you have to try to understand is that God is outside the boundaries of this... He's not tied down by human emotions/feelings as He created them - He created everything so His thought processes (if He even has 'thoughts'?) are so vastly superior to ours.. inconceivably so..

[AKR]

But don't you understand.. if you accept that God created everything, then you must also accept that He CREATED morality. He created everything that you are and dicates how you feel and all your emotions.

no, i wouldn't have to accept that. i still see no logic in assuming his morals are the greatest morals.

It almost seems as though you percieve God as a creation within the boundaries of this universe.. like He's just a smarter being or something who is still tied down by human emotions/thoughts/reasoning. What you have to try to understand is that God is outside the boundaries of this... He's not tied down by human emotions/feelings as He created them - He created everything so His thought processes (if He even has 'thoughts'?) are so vastly superior to ours.. inconceivably so..

no, i'm not thinking of god as a creation within the bounds of this universe. but then again, who's to say he's not a creation of someone else? i live by a very important rule: question everything. i have yet to understand why a god or anyone must be the ultimate moral authority, so i must keep asking why. having the power and intelligence to create, destroy, and punish does not seem to me like a reason to have anything but an opinion.

[SteR-]

see my other post for part of my reply. it wasn't necessarily directed at you when i made it, but you can find my opinions in there.

what if a bunch of rocket scientists with guns (this is sounding rediculous, but it has a point) told you to do the same thing? i mean, you're not a rocket scientist are you? surely they can fathom concepts you can only dream of grasping.

I can see the point you're making but it still isn't the same thing. My point is, that God has DEFINATE knowledge/wisdom which IS 100% right no matter what I think. Rocket scientists however, are a) within the realms of my understanding. Even though I may not understand at the time, it is possible for me to understand over time b) the scientists do not have DEFINATE knowledge. They have some understanding about science obviously but it's only in relation to what they've tested.. it's not the absolute truth as God knows if that makes sense?

[SteR-]

no, i wouldn't have to accept that. i still see no logic in assuming his morals are the greatest morals.

Well this depends on your definition of God. My definition of God is that He is the ultimate entity. He is responsible for all creation and is at the top of the chain of everything. Nothing exists without God as He created everything.

no, i'm not thinking of god as a creation within the bounds of this universe. but then again, who's to say he's not a creation of someone else? i live by a very important rule: question everything. i have yet to understand why a god or anyone must be the ultimate moral authority, so i must keep asking why. having the power and intelligence to create, destroy, and punish does not seem to me like a reason to have anything but an opinion.

Like I said above, my definition of God is the being who created everything therefore, God created morality, all our emotions, all our reasoning and logic - everything. With this kind of knowledge, you can never question God. It's pointless because his knowledge and wisdom is so infinitely great that we, as humans, could never even begin to conceive what He knows.

I think in order to understand my thinking you have to accept that God really is the greatest. He is responsible for everything and anything...