ZMA's are they worth adding to a stack?

[Peramaru]

Reading abit on ZMA's and was wondering what peoples opinion on them and if they are worth getting.

Any sites any of yous know of with good info on them please link

cheers

[btierney98]

No. Don't waste your money.

[ShotgunSnipist]

I wouldnt dare pay full price for them.
I got them during a sale for about 1/4 the price.

There's no REAL proof it does anything to testosterone, but your dreams are undoubtedly more vivid. If you find them for cheap, try them out. But, DO NOT pay full price for them.

[Dgwear]

I wouldnt dare pay full price for them.
I got them during a sale for about 1/4 the price.

There's no REAL proof it does anything to testosterone, but your dreams are undoubtedly more vivid. If you find them for cheap, try them out. But, DO NOT pay full price for them.

yeahh i agree. i actually did like taking them i did kind of feel like i was getting a better pump the first week of using them but if your taking other things you prob wont even feel a diffrence whats your stack?

[Peramaru]

yeahh i agree. i actually did like taking them i did kind of feel like i was getting a better pump the first week of using them but if your taking other things you prob wont even feel a diffrence whats your stack?

Cheers for the feedback guys. I just have protein by ON, BCAA by xtend and vitargo genr8 (highly recommend this suppliment, especially if you find it hard to put on weight like i did when i was starting and its even good for cutting like I am atm)

i used to take creatine but i dont believe in it anymore aslong i get good meal im fine during workouts

[Peramaru]

Anyone have a good site or online article with info about the science behind it? just want to understand it abit more

[shadar]

i used to take creatine but i dont believe in it anymore aslong i get good meal im fine during workouts

Creatine isn't a pre-workout and shouldn't have any immediate impact on a workout. If you were thinking it should this might be where your problems with it lie.

ZMA is just going to help you sleep a little deeper most likely, won't help your gains really nor will it boost your test. Also, you can just buy the vitamins individually and save a boatload.

[Peramaru]

Creatine isn't a pre-workout and shouldn't have any immediate impact on a workout. If you were thinking it should this might be where your problems with it lie.

ZMA is just going to help you sleep a little deeper most likely, won't help your gains really nor will it boost your test. Also, you can just buy the vitamins individually and save a boatload.

Yeah i know what creatine does but i never felt the increase in atp during my sessions as compared to when i was off it.

ahh true didn't know about the sleep thing thanks for more info mate, the onyl reason i would take it is for the suuposed increase in protein synthesis and bone formation and i guess now the deeper sleep. But they say we get enough zinc in diet and supplimenting with it doesnt improve much.

[shadar]

Yeah i know what creatine does but i never felt the increase in atp during my sessions as compared to when i was off it.

ahh true didn't know about the sleep thing thanks for more info mate, the onyl reason i would take it is for the suuposed increase in protein synthesis and bone formation and i guess now the deeper sleep. But they say we get enough zinc in diet and supplimenting with it doesnt improve much.

Lol, protein synthesis and bone formation from ZMA. Marketing sure does get out of hand

You'd have to be very deficient to notice any sort of real benefits outside the deeper sleep from zma. IMO it's one of the larger wastes of money. Not quite as crappy as Arg/Glut/CEE though.

[grappler05]

I've had the best results in terms of sleep/recovery with MST's ZMK. It does cost more than regular zma though.

[Peramaru]

Lol, protein synthesis and bone formation from ZMA. Marketing sure does get out of hand

You'd have to be very deficient to notice any sort of real benefits outside the deeper sleep from zma. IMO it's one of the larger wastes of money. Not quite as crappy as Arg/Glut/CEE though.

ah k lol yea its not marketing its just what zinc is known to do but ofcourse it wouldnt be crazy increases.

thanks for the buying seperate tip never thought of that!

but yea decision is defintly not waste my money on it from what i hear thanks heaps guys for your input saved me some money i can spend on eggs, kangaroo, brown rice, etc

[Peramaru]

I've had the best results in terms of sleep/recovery with MST's ZMK. It does cost more than regular zma though.

thats interesting i have alot of friends who have trouble with their sleep and its affecting their gains!

can you link site to info about it?

cheers

[grappler05]

You can check out the product info in the bodybuilding.com store under Millennium Sport Technologies. If sleep is an issue, also look into valerian root or Gaba. MST also sells another nighttime formula (Somnidren-GH), but I've never tried it.

[artDDP]

I believe ZMA was patented by Victor Conte, notable from the Barry Bonds controversy. From what I've read the studies were flawed and there exists no scientific evidence of ZMA's ability to increase testosterone or affect body composition.

It may prove useful if you're losing too many of the minerals from exertion.

[Bnatural]

MST produces a quality ZMA product called ZMK as others have mentioned.
As someone mentioned, the Somnidren will also help aid in sleep and gh production.

As far as ZMA's ability to raise test, it doesn't raise test directly, and it works if your body is depleted of zinc and magnesium. It helps keep your t levels boosted to normal, so it isn't going to work like a regular test booster.