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    Cool

    Nice!
    Where is part one ?

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    Nice!
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    Pre/Post-workout meal

    Wave, firstly, thank you so much for making things so uncomplicated. I'm just starting out and have one question to you.
    I workout 4x a week, Mon,Tue,Thu,Fri. On these days my two biggest meals are around the workout, and most my carbs and protein are eaten at this time.

    On the days I don't workout, what should I do about pre/post-workout meals? Should I still eat everything at the same time or spread it in a more convinient way?
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    Originally Posted by mac555 View Post
    Wave, firstly, thank you so much for making things so uncomplicated. I'm just starting out and have one question to you.
    I workout 4x a week, Mon,Tue,Thu,Fri. On these days my two biggest meals are around the workout, and most my carbs and protein are eaten at this time.

    On the days I don't workout, what should I do about pre/post-workout meals? Should I still eat everything at the same time or spread it in a more convinient way?
    Whatever is most convenient. Pretty much irrelevant.
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    Ok, I'll divide it in smaller meals then. Thanks.

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    Im definately not questioning the experts but I wanted to add what I found for me. I was on the protein modfied sparing fast long enough to lose 18 pounds in 13 weeks and was eating 800 calories of pretty much all protein with a 1500 calorie base line and what i found out looking at fat loss rates vs pounds lost was that i lost about 7 pounds of muscle so i did the math with the calories and figured out that I can only cut calories down 300 to a base line 1200. So i dont no why i cant go lower in deficiet but others may be in the same boat. But I also think it may have been the psmf itself that did it. Ps...i have cerebral palsy which means i dont have tons of muscles in my legs so thats why i figure my metabolic rate is so low.
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    At losing 2 pounds a week, Is it easier to get stretch marks and loose skin?

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    Simple question:

    I lift twice, the thread says 3X, but that should be fine for maintaining muscle, correct? It is a time issue not a "I'm too lazy to go issue" haha.

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    Originally Posted by tensortrucks00 View Post
    At losing 2 pounds a week, Is it easier to get stretch marks and loose skin?
    Loose skin is determined more by the elasticity/health of your skin and not really the weight at which you lose it.

    Originally Posted by F16falcon View Post
    Simple question:

    I lift twice, the thread says 3X, but that should be fine for maintaining muscle, correct? It is a time issue not a "I'm too lazy to go issue" haha.
    2x shouldn't (IMO) be an issue (I think the real issue here is that you want to make progress but are "too lazy" to put in work)... but why not hit the gym 1 more day? 3x a week isn't even half the week...(
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    Great Thread. Now to send forth a mass of emails to people who still think fat is the devil.

    I have been following these simple guidelines and have had nothing but success so far.
    No excuses.

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    Originally Posted by iDrive View Post
    Loose skin is determined more by the elasticity/health of your skin and not really the weight at which you lose it.



    2x shouldn't (IMO) be an issue (I think the real issue here is that you want to make progress but are "too lazy" to put in work)... but why not hit the gym 1 more day? 3x a week isn't even half the week...(
    Nah man I'm studying all the time, and school is much more important than lifting (at least to me). So I consciously choose 2 days per week. I am never just chilling wasting time, even on weekends.

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    First off, your words "too lazy" suggest you have the time you'd just rather not.

    Just graduated Magna Cum Laude my grades improved my sophomore year and got consistently better each semester... I'll let you guess when I started lifting, on top of that I had a 20-30hr/week job I was going more then as well.

    I mean at least you got your priorities straight but come up with a stronger excuse.
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    Although Ive only got 3 weeks of cutting left and am not looking to change anything, I do do have a quesition about diets for people on the lighter side, such as me. I have generally been trying to go with a 100 g protein /100 g carbs/ 30 or less g fat type of diet, but managing carbs are really hard. For instance, 1 cup of cheerios (normal serving) and then 1/2 a cup of milk is already 30 g carbs which is like 1/3 of my carbs IF I am solely following the 100/100/30 or less fashion. Thats brakfast alone, lunch I always have a fruit and vegetables and I now am at 50 g of carbs. Then my after workout snack comes , normally whey shake and fruit and almonds and now I have almost 90 g of carbs. With dinner it is no doubt that I will go over since I have more fruit and vegetables. Would I ever beable to get carbs from non milk,fruit, or vegetables? Not without going over the "limit".

    Of course, I dont keep a 100/100/30 or less rule but I believe it would be very hard to be strict with such a low lbm as mine (100). Think about it, 3 servings of fruit is normal and reccommended, if I have those servings im already 1/3 of the way done. A freaking nutri-grain bar is nearly 30!

    Anyways, my diet has worked since I started at 145 and now I am near 117, hopefully getting to 115 before my cut ends.

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    Originally Posted by kronotek View Post
    Although Ive only got 3 weeks of cutting left and am not looking to change anything, I do do have a quesition about diets for people on the lighter side, such as me. I have generally been trying to go with a 100 g protein /100 g carbs/ 30 or less g fat type of diet, but managing carbs are really hard. For instance, 1 cup of cheerios (normal serving) and then 1/2 a cup of milk is already 30 g carbs which is like 1/3 of my carbs IF I am solely following the 100/100/30 or less fashion. Thats brakfast alone, lunch I always have a fruit and vegetables and I now am at 50 g of carbs. Then my after workout snack comes , normally whey shake and fruit and almonds and now I have almost 90 g of carbs. With dinner it is no doubt that I will go over since I have more fruit and vegetables. Would I ever beable to get carbs from non milk,fruit, or vegetables? Not without going over the "limit".

    Of course, I dont keep a 100/100/30 or less rule but I believe it would be very hard to be strict with such a low lbm as mine (100). Think about it, 3 servings of fruit is normal and reccommended, if I have those servings im already 1/3 of the way done. A freaking nutri-grain bar is nearly 30!

    Anyways, my diet has worked since I started at 145 and now I am near 117, hopefully getting to 115 before my cut ends.
    If you want to do low carb/keto style diet ,which is not required btw, you literally have to eat only things that are protein or fat, carbs are usually incidental. A few g's in your shake for example.

    Which is why I hate those kinds of diets because I love me some carbs! OM NOM NOM
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    Is this normal?
    Ive been cutting for around 2 and a half weeks, and my weight has gone down from 176lb to around 164lb.Now I haven't lost any strength, Ive actually gotten a bit stronger on my squat and bench, however I still look the same as when I started my cut, only slightly smaller.Is this possible? or could it be that I was carrying a TON of water on me when I started?

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    Originally Posted by iDrive View Post
    First off, your words "too lazy" suggest you have the time you'd just rather not.

    Just graduated Magna Cum Laude my grades improved my sophomore year and got consistently better each semester... I'll let you guess when I started lifting, on top of that I had a 20-30hr/week job I was going more then as well.

    I mean at least you got your priorities straight but come up with a stronger excuse.

    I never said I was too lazy.

    I go to Georgia Tech, studying Aerospace Engineering. Whatever you studied, wherever you studied it, that curriculum was most likely a joke compared to what I'm going through. Before you open your mouth think about how little you know of other peoples situation before judging them. Your Magna Cum Laude impresses me. Not.

    "The Princeton Review placed Tech among the 10 toughest colleges and universities in the United States[139] and later reported that Tech's heavy workload led to "overly stressed" students with "minimal time for social functions"."--
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    blah

    posted this in the other thread too:

    9/30: 167.2
    10/7: 164.5
    Another week reporting in:
    10/14: 164.5

    Nooooo weight loss at all

    "Didn't lose even a tenth of a pound... I haven't done any cardio this entire week so I'm guessing most of the weight the first week was due to losing water weight (did cardio 3 times that week) and then now I've put the water weight back on and am still losing fat... Still frustrating seeing the scale not budge though. "

    I'll try not to get discouraged and keep it up for another week to see what's going on. Essentially I've eaten 1400 calories (give or take 50) every day for the last 2 and a half weeks now (ate 1600 one day on accident, forgot I had to bananas) with 140+ grams of protein each day.

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    Originally Posted by F16falcon View Post
    I never said I was too lazy.

    I go to Georgia Tech, studying Aerospace Engineering. Whatever you studied, wherever you studied it, that curriculum was most likely a joke compared to what I'm going through. Before you open your mouth think about how little you know of other peoples situation before judging them. Your Magna Cum Laude impresses me. Not.

    "The Princeton Review placed Tech among the 10 toughest colleges and universities in the United States[139] and later reported that Tech's heavy workload led to "overly stressed" students with "minimal time for social functions"."--
    I go to University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign for Mechanical Engineering and this is my third year. I have over hours of class this semester (4 lab classes) and this school is ranked higher than yours for my major . Please don't make that BS excuse considering this is my hardest semester so far and I STILL find the time to be able to go to the gym every day if I wanted to. Wake up earlier or schedule your work better. Your excuse is a poor one.

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    Hey!
    Repetition numbers should be in the range of 15-6.
    Sorry I was a bit confused. 6-15 reps per set yeah? didnt want to PM any of the main 3 rules dudes, so just posted here.

    if i got it wrong, its cause its late :P

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    Hey!

    Sorry I was a bit confused. 6-15 reps per set yeah? didnt want to PM any of the main 3 rules dudes, so just posted here.

    if i got it wrong, its cause its late :P
    you are correct
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    Originally Posted by Kenshinhimora View Post
    posted this in the other thread too:

    9/30: 167.2
    10/7: 164.5
    Another week reporting in:
    10/14: 164.5

    Nooooo weight loss at all

    "Didn't lose even a tenth of a pound... I haven't done any cardio this entire week so I'm guessing most of the weight the first week was due to losing water weight (did cardio 3 times that week) and then now I've put the water weight back on and am still losing fat... Still frustrating seeing the scale not budge though. "

    I'll try not to get discouraged and keep it up for another week to see what's going on. Essentially I've eaten 1400 calories (give or take 50) every day for the last 2 and a half weeks now (ate 1600 one day on accident, forgot I had to bananas) with 140+ grams of protein each day.
    At 6'1 162 I have a hard time seeing you needing to lose fat vs put on some muscle first. But if you feel you need to lose fat you'll just have to increase activity or decrease intake but just remember that scales are only effective over a long period... months not weeks.

    Originally Posted by invisiblelats View Post
    Hey!

    Sorry I was a bit confused. 6-15 reps per set yeah? didnt want to PM any of the main 3 rules dudes, so just posted here.

    if i got it wrong, its cause its late :P
    I read '15-6' reps as 15-16 reps. I don't know where you're reading that from though so I can't say (maybe the guide to body building?? too lazy to look atm). Just pick a rep scheme that works for you.

    I think the vast majority of people tend to stay within 8-12 reps per set but it's highly dependent on:
    Muscle group
    Training purpose (strength, power, endurance)
    MMC (Mind-Muscle Connection)
    ...Among other things

    Calves and shoulders for example should benefit more from higher reps while deadlift and squat may benefit more from lower reps.

    For a total noob though 15-16 reps would probably be ideal because you shouldn't be handling so heavy a weight you could hurt yourself and use your first few months training to get used to performing the movements correctly (which is where a lot of noob trainees screw up by adding too much weight too fast)
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    Originally Posted by iDrive View Post
    Loose skin is determined more by the elasticity/health of your skin and not really the weight at which you lose it.


    Wrong. Too many factors to say yay or nay. A 400 + lb person is going to have loose skin no matter how elastic their skin is. Those 400+ 16 year old teenagers on TLC who lost their weight all had loose skin-can't get more good elastciity than at that age.

    Factors are age, hydration, how fast you lost the weight, diet, how long you were overweight, body composition(how the fat was spread around your body) etc.
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    Originally Posted by iDrive View Post
    First off, your words "too lazy" suggest you have the time you'd just rather not.

    Just graduated Magna Cum Laude my grades improved my sophomore year and got consistently better each semester... I'll let you guess when I started lifting, on top of that I had a 20-30hr/week job I was going more then as well.

    I mean at least you got your priorities straight but come up with a stronger excuse.
    he said "it's not a 'I'm too lazy to go issue'"

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    Originally Posted by tensortrucks00 View Post
    At losing 2 pounds a week, Is it easier to get stretch marks and loose skin?
    At 1-2 lbs per week you have less chance to get loose skin versus loosing 10 lbs per week but that does not mean you won't get loose skin. See factors above.

    Stretch marks don't happen due to weight loss. They were made when a person blimps up too fast.
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    Originally Posted by sweepone View Post
    Wrong. Too many factors to say yay or nay. A 400 + lb person is going to have loose skin no matter how elastic their skin is. Those 400+ 16 year old teenagers on TLC who lost their weight all had loose skin-can't get more good elastciity than at that age.

    Factors are age, hydration, how fast you lost the weight, diet, how long you were overweight, body composition etc.
    Well yeah, you went more in depth and your answer is more complete. However, I think we can agree it's not just the rate at which you lose it (which is what I intended on, apologies if it didn't come out that way) there are other factors (such as the ones you listed)

    Edit: A great answer above this post as well.

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    he said "it's not a 'I'm too lazy to go issue'"
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    Originally Posted by iDrive View Post
    Well yeah, you went more in depth and your answer is more complete. However, I think we can agree it's not just the rate at which you lose it (which is what I intended on, apologies if it didn't come out that way) there are other factors (such as the ones you listed)



    Yeah, I realized that after the fact but he brought out the "My school/major is better than your school/major" trying to e-peen battle and troll... and since he's a "distinguished scholar" in the red I'm not wasting my time anymore on him.
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    Originally Posted by iDrive View Post
    At 6'1 162 I have a hard time seeing you needing to lose fat vs put on some muscle first. But if you feel you need to lose fat you'll just have to increase activity or decrease intake but just remember that scales are only effective over a long period... months not weeks.

    Oy I didn't even see your post till now. I agree with you about not "needing" to lose fat versus put on muscle first BUT I don't regret my decision honestly. I am happier about my body currently than I ever have been before. I wasn't comfortable even in clothes and now I don't even think twice about that shyt. Other than that though, my main reasoning was that my family is going out of the country from dec 18th to jan 16th so I'll be out of gym/control over my food options etc for 4 straight weeks and I felt that I would rather be back there slimmer and happier than slightly bigger if that makes sense. gotta make sure to not gain weight for that time though and gonna try to do pushups / situps every other day haha.

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