Dana White: Everyone who has Alistair Overeem on his Top 10 list is Stupid

[cgc]

I've kind of been saying this for some time now, but Dana (in his oh so colorful way) pretty much nailed it. I think Overeem has the potential to be top 5 material....but as quick as everyone is to cry about Fedor not fighting top competition, man Overeem isn't either (MMA).




http://www.lowkick.com/UFC/Dana-Whit...s-Stupid-10829

Dana White: Everyone who has Alistair Overeem on his Top 10 list is Stupid
Posted By Anton Gurevich UFC News

"[Expletive] great guy. I like Overeem. I have nothing but respect for him. But it's an absolute [expletive] joke that anybody would rank him in the top 10. And anybody that wants to debate with me, and tell me why Alistair should be ranked, [expletive] fire away. I'm ready. I want to hear it. Can't wait. If on your rankings you have him in the top 10, you should be [expletive] embarrassed.

I actually find it hilarious that he's ranked in the top 10 by some of the websites. I find it hilarious. What has he done in MMA to be ranked in the top 10? I'd like somebody here to answer that question. We've got a lot of media guys here; what has Alistair Overeem done to be ranked in the top 10 of mixed martial arts' heavyweight division?

How do you figure because he's such a good K-1 fighter (that) he can parlay that into being a mixed-martial-arts fighter? That's what makes the mixed-martial-arts media [expletive] stupid – that they would even rank this guy in the top 10 because he's fighting in K-1. That makes absolutely no [expletive] sense, and I would love to hear somebody make sense of this guy being ranked in the top 10.

Has he fought anybody worth mentioning? Uh, yeah that would help. Guys that fight the top guys in the top 10, three times a year in mixed martial arts – those are the guys that are ranked in the top 10. How bout the fact that he's fighting in K-1, where you just kick and punch? There's no wrestling, there's no this, and there's no that. How does any credible [expletive] MMA guy put him in the top 10 in the heavyweight division? It's hilarious." - MMAJunkie.com, via MiddleEasy.com

Well, it looks like we fall under Dana White's "Stupid" category. Alistair Overeem ranked #8 P4P Fighter on LowKick.com Community Rankings, and #3 Heavyweight in the World, behind Fedor Emelianenko and the newly crowned UFC Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez. Megareem will square off against Tyrone Spong at the K-1 2010 WGP Final event, which will take place on December 11th in Japan.

So what do you think, LowKick'ers? It's your rankings. You are the ones who voted for Alistair Overeem on most of your Top 10 lists. Time to defend your opinion.

[stearsle76]

It's funny how fedor has beaten everyone that reem has lost to but has less credibility as a fighter somehow. Granted he wasn't ridiculously big at the time for alot of those fights but muscle only goes so far.

[Beasly3333]

I am right and everyone else is stupid!!!

[PrettyPinkDonut]

i agree with Dana

brb putting Overeem in my top 10 because i THINK he can beat top guys

Overeem: brb fighting James Thompson lul

[PaHulkster]

There isn't anyone is the top 10 (no matter what version you pick) that would have great odds against Overeem. IMO he has the ability to beat anybody he comes up against. Dana would probably put UFC guys in at least 9 of the top 10 heavyweights.

Overeem against Lesnar seems ridiculous now that we've seen Brock fail hard against two strikers that have half of Overeems ability in that department. I like Brock, know that he won against Carwin, but come on. He isn't going to overpower Alistair, and he isn't that much bigger (if at all).

The only other UFC heavyweights I think would be good fights are Cain, JDS, and Carwin. Carwin is still up in the air as far as I'm concerned. I want to see him fight one more top guy, but he certainly has KO potential. JDS is great, but I think Overeem has the skill and physical advantage in every area. Cain has the wrestling and speed, but Overeem has his advantages too.

Who else in the UFC would Dana put him up against? Mir would die on the feet and never get the takedown. Nog did beat him twice, but it's not 2006. That's a good thing for Alistair, but not so much for Nog. Everyone else has no chance as far as I'm concerned.

[PrettyPinkDonut]

"in my opinion" doesn't count when trying to rank fighters^^
he hasn't proved **** except that he can't hang when he fights someone in the top 10


brb Redskins are #1 becuz they looked good last game and now I believe they can beat the Ravens

[Von Brawn]

Let's assume Dana has no issues with the top six - Velasquez, Lesnar, Emelianenko, Werdum, Carwin, Dos Santos. Overeem is the next non-UFC heavyweight on the list, and let's assume that White agrees with that sentiment. Along with Mir and Nogueira, here are the next five UFC heavyweights: Brendan Schaub, Cheick Kongo, Roy Nelson, Mirko Filipovic, and Ben Rothwell. Let's take a look at their records over the last 3 years.

Yes, Overeem doesn't have any quality wins outside of Brett Rogers (and that's borderline itself), but it's hard to argue any one of those guys has a distinctly better resume outside of Mir. Nogueira's living on his legend. Kongo's best win is a guy who washed out of the UFC (and who Overeem beat just outside the 3-year window). Schaub just beat the ghost of Gabriel Gonzaga. He also lost to Roy Nelson, who is 4-3. And Mirko Filipovic and Ben Rothwell don't have a good win between them.

It's not just human voters that put Overeem in the top ten, either. Fight Matrix, a computerized ranking system based on a modified chess ELO system, ranks the Dutchman at nine, a shade below Nogueira.

If Overeem doesn't belong in the top ten, Dana, who does?

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/11/1...en-heavyweight

Dana White is wrong here.

[Bamsha]

"in my opinion" doesn't count when trying to rank fighters^^
he hasn't proved **** except that he can't hang when he fights someone in the top 10


brb Redskins are #1 becuz they looked good last game and now I believe they can beat the Ravens

So do you have an exact formula to calculate rankings scientifically?

If not, all rankings are someones opinion.

[cgc]

I will say this....

if Overeem was in the UFC with the same record, you wouldn't hear a peep from Dana about people being stupid for having him in the top 10. That's Dana's M.O. for very fighter who is not in the UFC....but then once they're signed, they're the greatest thing walking...

[PaHulkster]

"in my opinion" doesn't count when trying to rank fighters^^
he hasn't proved **** except that he can't hang when he fights someone in the top 10


brb Redskins are #1 becuz they looked good last game and now I believe they can beat the Ravens

So Brendan Schaub and Mitrione are top ten guys? Who else from the UFC would you put in? Barnett, Fedor, and Werdum are the only guys outside of the UFC that I see even standing a chance against Overeem. Even with those on the list Overeem is top ten. The thing with the top ten is that you actually have to put ten guys in it.

[RoccoTanno123]

kernel of truth in what Dana says, because yes...based on accomplishments...you can't put Overeem anywhere near the top 5. But you can justifably put him in the lower echeleon of the top 10, mostly because there aren't that many HWs that can string together any kind of consistency and because skill has to count for something in rankings, particularly when there is an absence of a deep hierarchy or lots of quality top guys.

[sonicology]

That's Dana's M.O. for very fighter who is not in the UFC....but then once they're signed, they're the greatest thing walking...

Strange, isn't it?

If I didn't know better I would suspect that Dana was not entirely impartial and had some kind of vested interest in discrediting fighters who ply their trade outside the realm of the UFC... however this can't be true otherwise articles such as this one would be a waste of time and space.

[forcefedfreak]

Well there goes our chance of ever seeing Overeem in the UFC. FML.

[conflictsd]

obvious promoter is obvious...

[PaHulkster]

Dana talks a lot of ****, but he doesn't close the door on anyone. I think Overeem being in the UFC sometime next year is a definite possibility.

[Chuck2600]

If you analyze it in the right way you can make a case for just about any fighter in the top 10 of the HW division to not be there.

Take Cain for example, who the hell has he beat? a washed up Nog, a mediocre performance against soon to be cut Kongo, an exposed 5-2 Brock Lesnar who will undoubtedly lose the rest of his fight because of his tendency to cover up as soon as the pressure is put under him.

See what I mean..

[MiCrane]

Dana should release a list of what he thinks should be the TOP 10 p4p Heavyweights.

[conflictsd]

reem might not have the HW resume under his belt YET... but that doesn't mean dana white doesn't want him.... and he's going to pay reem **** loads of money when he does get him lol....

[PrettyPinkDonut]

in response to Chuck2600

regardless though, Lesnar was the champion of the #1 MMA organization

say a #1 team had weak defense game, and you exploit that and win...you still beat the #1 team

not in any particular order I'd put Cain, JDS, Carwin, Fedor, Werdum, Lesnar
Nogueria, Mir, Nelson...and I agree with you on that point OVereem could be interchangable with 9th or 10th spot by default


And while fight ranks are based somewhat on opinion, it is more so the top organization (UFC), their champions, and where contenders fall in line for that title

[Beasly3333]

It depends on what you are ranking them by.

Do you judge the fighters on how they fight? Do you follow the sport and believe one fighter is better than the other?

Or do you have to wait for the results before passing any judgement on a fighter.

Personally, I am confident enough in my judgement to say that Overeem is a top 10 heavyweight. I have seen him fight and I have seen his skills. I can put two and two together. I don't have to see the results to know that Overeem is a better fighter than Matt Schaub or Matt ****ing Mitrione or whatever idiot you would put in the top 10 over Overeem.

[Chuck2600]

in response to Chuck2600

regardless though, Lesnar was the champion of the #1 MMA organization

say a #1 team had weak defense game, and you exploit that and win...you still beat the #1 team

not in any particular order I'd put Cain, JDS, Carwin, Fedor, Werdum, Lesnar
Nogueria, Mir, Nelson...and I agree with you on that point OVereem could be interchangable with 9th or 10th spot by default


And while fight ranks are based somewhat on opinion, it is more so the top organization (UFC), their champions, and where contenders fall in line for that title

That was hypothetical (I do not actually think Cain is a can), I was just saying if you analyze a fighter's wins in the right way you can make anyone look like a can. Break down Overeems strengths, wins, comparisons to UFC Hw's and there is an easy case for him being in the top 3. These top 10 lists are very subjective especially in MMA where most fighters records are VERY inconsistent.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Dana should release a list of what he thinks should be the TOP 10 p4p Heavyweights.

#1 Brock Lesnar
#2 Frank Mir
#3 Randy Couture
#4 Brock Lesnar
#5 Cain Velasquez
#6 Brock Lesnar
#7 JDS
#8 Big Nog
#9 Brock Lesnar
#10 Shane Carwin

[cgc]

#1 Brock Lesnar
#2 Frank Mir
#3 Randy Couture
#4 Brock Lesnar
#5 Cain Velasquez
#6 Brock Lesnar
#7 JDS
#8 Big Nog
#9 Brock Lesnar
#10 Shane Carwin

[conflictsd]

just got trolled...

[Jeremy90]

Didnt he say something similar about Jake Shields?

[cgc]

Didnt he say something similar about (Enter Name of Fighter That Dana Wants To Sign Here) ?

yes

[Jeremy90]

yes

Well played sir....Well played

[HardGainer82]

Basically the argument for putting Reem in the top ten is that he beat Rogers.

The only argument for putting Rogers in the top ten was beating AA (who I do believe was barely top ten at that time).

I can see how some people got there, but IMO it's not enough.

[burningNun]

Basically the argument for putting Reem in the top ten is that he beat Rogers.

The only argument for putting Rogers in the top ten was beating AA (who I do believe was barely top ten at that time).

I can see how some people got there, but IMO it's not enough.

I think the main argument, like BloodyElbow says, is that there probably aren't ten better fighters.

[conflictsd]

Basically the argument for putting Reem in the top ten is that he beat Rogers.

The only argument for putting Rogers in the top ten was beating AA (who I do believe was barely top ten at that time).

I can see how some people got there, but IMO it's not enough.

i thought AA was ranked like top 5 during the brett fight...