Animal fats... İs it as bad as we think?

[m.djemal]

All my life İ have been reading and hearing that FAT = BAD. Since doing research İ have realized that fats are a good friend to our body if we know what to eat and when to eat it.

On the subject of Animals fats İ still remain confused. İ usually remove fats from meat i.e. chicken skin and steak but today İ ate mince which did have the animal fat in it. What kind of goodness lyes within animal fats?

İ have done a search on 'animal fats' within the forum but haven't come across anything informative enough...

[MikeK46]

All naturally occurring fat = good, animal or plant. Part of the animal fat is saturated fat. But as long as most of your fats are still unsaturated, there is no reason to avoid saturated fat, it has benefits as well.

[synthetic]

All naturally occurring fat = good, animal or plant. Part of the animal fat is saturated fat. But as long as most of your fats are still unsaturated, there is no reason to avoid saturated fat, it has benefits as well.

For fat lost minimal saturated fat is better:

http://www.ergo-log.com/slimmerwitholiveoil.html

[MikeK46]

For fat lost minimal saturated fat is better:

http://www.ergo-log.com/slimmerwitholiveoil.html

I'm pretty sure the thermic effect (caloric expenditure above maintenance) of unsaturated fats over saturated fats is completely negligible at best. It's silly to think that it would have any significant impact at all in terms of calories in vs. calories out, which is what determines net fat gain/loss. Instantaneous storage/oxidation of adipose tissue happens 24/7 and is irrelevant. I would actually counter this in saying that an increase in saturated fat will result in an increase in hormones (i.e. testosterone), leading to higher BMR/RMR.

[TyrusJB]

http://www.nmsociety.org/App_Themes/...0on%20Fats.pdf

Surprisingly, the original article on westonaprice website is down

All you need to know.. right there.

[Own3r]

As long as you do not exceed 25f ED you will benefit from them.

[TyrusJB]

it's carbohydrates that create triglycerides that cause heart disease.. it's carbohydrates that cause inflammation, heart disease, and diabetes.

Sat fat can do no harm, really

[MikeK46]

As long as you do not exceed 25f ED you will benefit from them.

25f ED?

[Own3r]

25f ED?

25g ED ( every day)

[TyrusJB]

Mike, check these two articles out.

http://drbass.com/rosedale2.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller33.1.html

[MikeK46]

25g ED ( every day)

http://www.totalhealthbreakthroughs....cal-history-2/

http://www.musclehack.com/the-satura...yth-destroyed/

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/new-stu...disease-coffin

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease
Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.

[TyrusJB]

Awesome!

[Own3r]

http://www.totalhealthbreakthroughs....cal-history-2/

http://www.musclehack.com/the-satura...yth-destroyed/

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/new-stu...disease-coffin

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease
Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.

Most current research points out that the risks are fairly low and no research was fully conclusive. And in any aspect 20g is a very low amount which has its benefits for the endocrine system.

[MikeK46]

Most current research points out that the risks are fairly low and no research was fully conclusive. And in any aspect 20g is a very low amount which has its benefits for the endocrine system.

Even from a logical point of view, when taking our evolution as meat-eaters into account, it is not only silly but absurd to think that you should be limiting your saturated fat intake.

[TyrusJB]

haha 20g of saturated fat.. that's like 3 servings of cheese.. lol
What about your fat soluble vitamins ownr? You think you're getting enough preformed vitamin A?

I eat tons of fatty meat.. grassfed butter by the spoonful.. cheese at whim. I've never felt better

[aer_vlad]

haha 20g of saturated fat.. that's like 3 servings of cheese.. lol
What about your fat soluble vitamins ownr? You think you're getting enough preformed vitamin A?

I eat tons of fatty meat.. grassfed butter by the spoonful.. cheese at whim. I've never felt better

Reps for sanity.

[Own3r]

haha 20g of saturated fat.. that's like 3 servings of cheese.. lol
What about your fat soluble vitamins ownr? You think you're getting enough preformed vitamin A?

I eat tons of fatty meat.. grassfed butter by the spoonful.. cheese at whim. I've never felt better

I was stating a minimum daily dose that will yield all the necessary benefits from the saturated fats for a given individual. Not once have a mentioned that this is the maximum.
25 is a good benchmark number for the majority of the population that is overly scared of Sat fats.
Some people here are greatly overestimating a person need for both saturated and poly.mono fats.... you really do not need more then 60-80 a day unless you are over 200lb

[stancel]

Animals are fattened up and kept in sedentary lifestyles. This is why there is so much fat in the meat. The animals are obese. Raise animals naturally on pasture and the meat will be leaner in comparison.

[TyrusJB]

I was stating a minimum daily dose that will yield all the necessary benefits from the saturated fats for a given individual. Not once have a mentioned that this is the maximum.
25 is a good benchmark number for the majority of the population that is overly scared of Sat fats.
Some people here are greatly overestimating a person need for both saturated and poly.mono fats.... you really do not need more then 60-80 a day unless you are over 200lb

Humans, in general, do better on a low carb, higher fat diet. Carb should only be enough to replenish muscles and not much more.

Carbohydrate availability in our evolution was a scarcity and living fat adapted was the norm. Carbohydrates and high insulin were meant to be only on occasion, not continuous.

When insulin is high, death is looming near. Ever heard of the sweet sixteen gene? Allow me to introduce.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ve-longer.html

Glucose and high insulin activated genes are responsible for accelerated aging and degeneration. Blunting all sorts of mechanisms from lyso****l house keeping to HGH output.

[TyrusJB]

Animals are fattened up and kept in sedentary lifestyles. This is why there is so much fat in the meat. The animals are obese. Raise animals naturally on pasture and the meat will be leaner in comparison.

They will, of course.

What does that really mean though?

Does that mean eating the fat alongside the lean meat has any detrimental effects? It would be no different than having it with cheese, butter, milk, lard, or even something like peanut butter.

The downside is higher levels of omega 6 in the polyunsaturated portion of the fat.

It's usually the majority being saturated, which is stable and can't be oxidized or go bad. Mono following in second place, and a small amount polyunsaturated.

[MikeK46]

Some people here are greatly overestimating a person need for both saturated and poly.mono fats.... you really do not need more then 60-80 a day unless you are over 200lb

Right...you also don't "need" more than 0.36 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, as per the FDA.

The question here is can you benefit from more? And the answer is yes.

Just from personal experience...when I raised my fat intake from 85g to 120g/day, I had such an increase in testosterone that I wanted to hump everything that moves. On rest days, I am right around 1g fat/lb bodyweight, plenty of which is saturated, and I've never felt better.

[Marcodie]

I am new to animal fats. I had to stop to work out if cause of following

Feeling unwell
Unfocused
Nausea
Urinary tract infection
Acid reflux

Really want to give it a go but reluctant now. Can anyone help me?

[mannydawg]

As long as you do not exceed 25f ED you will benefit from them.

I was stating a minimum daily dose that will yield all the necessary benefits from the saturated fats for a given individual. Not once have a mentioned that this is the maximum.
25 is a good benchmark number for the majority of the population that is overly scared of Sat fats.
Some people here are greatly overestimating a person need for both saturated and poly.mono fats.... you really do not need more then 60-80 a day unless you are over 200lb

These do not coincide. You did state a maximum

[MikeK46]

Confusing 5 month bump...

I am new to animal fats. I had to stop to work out if cause of following

Feeling unwell
Unfocused
Nausea
Urinary tract infection
Acid reflux

Really want to give it a go but reluctant now. Can anyone help me?

I recommend you visit your doctor.

[joshrider]

Depends on the DOSE and CONTEXT. Honestly, that's basically the answer to most questions in nutrition.

[ChrisC60]

I've wondered this, I also think that animal fats can benefit the human body. I usually wake up and eat Some quality bacon and eggs, or try to every day to get my animal fats in. So far I feel better but yet keep my diet in check.


I think if done correctly with body weight, you should need a certain amount of fat, just like protein.


Not sure if thats 100% correct but I would think so.

[mattypoole]

For fat lost minimal saturated fat is better:

http://www.ergo-log.com/slimmerwitholiveoil.html

Wrong.

It's all about maintaining a calorie deficit.

[synthetic]

Wrong.

It's all about maintaining a calorie deficit.

did you not read the study? obviously not. then dont say im wrong.

[mattypoole]

did you not read the study? obviously not. then dont say im wrong.

I read the study, and it's up there with your usual standards.

Weight loss is purely a function of calories in vs calories out, regardless of macros. That 'study' you linked doesn't prove otherwise.

Whether you eat at all of your fats from sat fats or from unsat fats, maintaining a 500 calorie deficit either way = the same amount of weight loss.

[IanLMT]

All my life İ have been reading and hearing that FAT = BAD. Since doing research İ have realized that fats are a good friend to our body if we know what to eat and when to eat it.

On the subject of Animals fats İ still remain confused. İ usually remove fats from meat i.e. chicken skin and steak but today İ ate mince which did have the animal fat in it. What kind of goodness lyes within animal fats?

İ have done a search on 'animal fats' within the forum but haven't come across anything informative enough...

read a book called the china study. I can give you a link to my dropbox if you pm me. its kinda lengthy but its pretty eye opening. That being said i still eat it...