PBATEMAN2...BUSTIN ASS...215lbs..8%BF....ITS GOIN DOWN...

[PBateman2]

Those partials were insane bro!

Are you still hungry on your 5k cal days?

Thx, Mike!

Some days I get hungry (cant stay full) and other days Im not. Just depends and it's hard for me to gauge. My body is freaken weird in that sense.

Today Ive been hungry basically all day...lol. Meaning I can keep on eating.

Training the way I do, waiting 4-5 hours to eat Meal #1, those first 1500-2000cals ingested mean nothing to me. Body soaks it up like a sponge.

Keep working hard, man!

[limelite]

Thank you, Lim!

LOL...ya the music at my gym is whack that's why I usually wear earphones. Hey I once nailed a PR on front squats and Madonna's "Borderline" was playing in the background! Beat that! hahaha!

No hit on fed people...just wanted to point out there are many ways to achieve results!

LOL @ Madonna! Maybe I should listen to some Madonna and I can lift as heavy as you can LOL

Haha, yeah, but there are still so many haters on those who train fasted.. I'm sure "fed" people can do a pretty darn good job, but it's those who run their mouth with all the broscience that's such a bother!

[Jonesy08]

LOL @ Madonna! Maybe I should listen to some Madonna and I can lift as heavy as you can LOL

Haha, yeah, but there are still so many haters on those who train fasted.. I'm sure "fed" people can do a pretty darn good job, but it's those who run their mouth with all the broscience that's such a bother!

That's why Manu wears the headphones now. Nothing but Madonna pumping through those headphones.

Brb hitting PR's to like a virgin.

[PBateman2]

LOL @ Madonna! Maybe I should listen to some Madonna and I can lift as heavy as you can LOL

Haha, yeah, but there are still so many haters on those who train fasted.. I'm sure "fed" people can do a pretty darn good job, but it's those who run their mouth with all the broscience that's such a bother!

Hahaha!

Bold = Very true!

That's why Manu wears the headphones now. Nothing but Madonna pumping through those headphones.

Brb hitting PR's to like a virgin.

LOLOL!!

[juliacheh]

LOL @ Madonna! Maybe I should listen to some Madonna and I can lift as heavy as you can LOL

Haha, yeah, but there are still so many haters on those who train fasted.. I'm sure "fed" people can do a pretty darn good job, but it's those who run their mouth with all the broscience that's such a bother!

I train almost fasted currently .
I eat lunch at 1 p.m. and train at 7-8 p.m., I am quite OK with this.

BTW Madonna kicked ass in the late 80s. The way she looks in video was my inspiration when I only started lifting. Now I have more mass, but I still think she looks seriously awesome here.

[NattyMeso]

Now maybe you won't be on bb.com all day

Whoa whoa whoa, easy there, friend.

[NotHereOrThere]

K Manu, need your opinion here. After my retardedly long slow cut I am back bulking andit feels amazing!

However I never reached my goal BF of sub 10%. I just couldn't take it anymore and started binging like a pregnant woman. 7 to 8 months at a deficit broke me.

What do you think of a 2 month bulk then back to cutting for 2 months? You think that is too short of a cycle to really do anything other than a mental reset?

[NattyMeso]

K Manu, need your opinion here. After my epicly ling slow cut I am back bulking andit feels amazing!

However I never reached my goal BF of sub 10%. I just couldn't take it anymore and started binging like a pregnant woman. 7 to 8 months at a deficit broke me.

What do you think of a 2 month bulk then back to cutting for 2 months? You think that is too short of a cycle to really do anything other than a mental reset?

8-10 week bulks are what I do, but I have my macros dialed in from the start so I know im making progress from the get go.

If you know your body, and can bulk for the 8-10 weeks while only gaining 1-3%bf then go for it. Otherwise take it slower and dial in on whats right for you over 12-16 weeks.

[NotHereOrThere]

8-10 week bulks are what I do, but I have my macros dialed in from the start so I know im making progress from the get go.

If you know your body, and can bulk for the 8-10 weeks while only gaining 1-3%bf then go for it. Otherwise take it slower and dial in on whats right for you over 12-16 weeks.

Meso.I was hoping you would chime in. Yeah I keep my diet pretty spot on. My only concern was readjusting after having to bring my calories so low. Didn't really know where to begin again so I went up 500 for a week and then just went up an additional 500. Seemed like a good plan. I had gotton as low as 1650 cals a day at the end of the cut and wasn't sure how quickly I would gain weight.

[NattyMeso]

Meso.I was hoping you would chime in. Yeah I keep my diet pretty spot on. My only concern was readjusting after having to bring my calories so low. Didn't really know where to begin again so I went up 500 for a week and then just went up an additional 500. Seemed like a good plan. I had gotton as low as 1650 cals a day at the end of the cut and wasn't sure how quickly I would gain weight.

Are you still eating 500 under now?

[NotHereOrThere]

That brought me up to 2700 and I was going to hold there to see what my weight gains were like prior to adding another 500.

[NattyMeso]

That brought me up to 2700 and I was going to hold there to see what my weight gains were like prior to adding another 500.

2500-2700 should be plenty. Just make sure you're getting all dem der carbs in. Once I got over 500g a day I just seemed to blow up.

[NotHereOrThere]

Loving the carbs. Chocolate milk post workout everytime I break the fast!! Oh and I love oatmeal so I am set.

I will say this, after months of stagnant lifts my weights are jumping up at an alarming rate.

FEELS GOOD!!!

Thanks for the advice.

[the_genius]

Solid advice Meso

[Cheap5.0]

Thx, Mike!

Some days I get hungry (cant stay full) and other days Im not. Just depends and it's hard for me to gauge. My body is freaken weird in that sense.

Today Ive been hungry basically all day...lol. Meaning I can keep on eating.

Training the way I do, waiting 4-5 hours to eat Meal #1, those first 1500-2000cals ingested mean nothing to me. Body soaks it up like a sponge.

Keep working hard, man!

I know the feeling (on a much smaller scale). When i was cutting w/IF the first meal did nothing on the hunger radar lol. Id down 1000 cals in 30 minutes, then be hungry 20 minutes later.

[PBateman2]

^^Yup! Body feels like a furnace!

I train almost fasted currently .
I eat lunch at 1 p.m. and train at 7-8 p.m., I am quite OK with this.

BTW Madonna kicked ass in the late 80s. The way she looks in video was my inspiration when I only started lifting. Now I have more mass, but I still think she looks seriously awesome here.

She looks AWESOME! Great shape.

Solid advice Meso

Second this!

[Cheap5.0]

PB, you ever do any power lifting early on? Ever have any bench or squat goals?

[PBateman2]

PB, you ever do any power lifting early on? Ever have any bench or squat goals?

When I started training I did a 3 day split for about two years. I would DL and squat quite a bit. Never bench on a regular basis. Goal was never really powerlifting. Im really not into 1 rep max for strength.

For me my goal has always been strength and endurance - so my training is a bit different.

Currently, I am doing front squats (4th exercise in quad routine) and hack squats. Get the best development from those exercises. Aiming to get my front squat up to 405lbs then video

I dont bench. For me its a useless exercise. Although, in my current chest routine I do a 225lb bench rep max - thats just for shyts and giggles. Usually get 17-18 reps but do it as my fourth exercise in my routine. Like to see where I stand against the NFL players at the combines..lol.

[braggable]

When I started training I did a 3 day split for about two years....

God, I wish someone would have taught me to do this and build my core strength early on.

I am so far behind because of it, ugh.

Manu's warm-ups are my goals, LOL. Oh well, improvement is bound!

[PBateman2]

God, I wish someone would have taught me to do this and build my core strength early on.

I am so far behind because of it, ugh.

Manu's warm-ups are my goals, LOL. Oh well, improvement is bound!

Nah you will catch up and then some! You are already on the right track.

Just watch!

[illiniStrive]

Currently, I am doing front squats (4th exercise in quad routine) and hack squats. Get the best development from those exercises. Aiming to get my front squat up to 405lbs then video

Where do you keep your arms for front squats? The rack position?

Just curious.

[PBateman2]

Where do you keep your arms for front squats? The rack position?

Just curious.

Yup! Rack position. Takes a while getting used to - at least for me it did.

[Cheap5.0]

When I started training I did a 3 day split for about two years. I would DL and squat quite a bit. Never bench on a regular basis. Goal was never really powerlifting. Im really not into 1 rep max for strength.

For me my goal has always been strength and endurance - so my training is a bit different.

Currently, I am doing front squats (4th exercise in quad routine) and hack squats. Get the best development from those exercises. Aiming to get my front squat up to 405lbs then video

I dont bench. For me its a useless exercise. Although, in my current chest routine I do a 225lb bench rep max - thats just for shyts and giggles. Usually get 17-18 reps but do it as my fourth exercise in my routine. Like to see where I stand against the NFL players at the combines..lol.

Pretty amazing you had the cojones to stick with this for so long! I mean, when people first start out (before they get huge) its not odd for them to use powerlifting as motivation since you can often dead 500 lbs before you get 19" guns. Then once they achieve some power lifting success they move onto another challenge (usually BB).

But Manu, he set his goals on BB'ing from the get go and never lost site. Good work man!

Oh and it makes me feel good to know manu can only bench 225x18 Im not too far behind you there!

[Cheap5.0]

Where do you keep your arms for front squats? The rack position?

Just curious.

I use the cross arm method..i cant get comfortable with the rack position.

@ Manu, how do you not crush your fingers in that position? I try to do that everytime i front squat, but have not been able to do it without crushing my fingers.

[PBateman2]

Pretty amazing you had the cojones to stick with this for so long! I mean, when people first start out (before they get huge) its not odd for them to use powerlifting as motivation since you can often dead 500 lbs before you get 19" guns. Then once they achieve some power lifting success they move onto another challenge (usually BB).

But Manu, he set his goals on BB'ing from the get go and never lost site. Good work man!

Oh and it makes me feel good to know manu can only bench 225x18 Im not too far behind you there!

Thx, man!

Not so fast! I make things hard...lol. Try the 225lb bench max rep after this:

3 sets of 145lb DB incline presses
3 sets of 80lb incline flyes
3 sets of 115lb flat DB presses

Then....hammer out 18 reps with 225 Thats me.

Gotta keep it real!!!

[Cheap5.0]

Thx, man!

Not so fast! I make things hard...lol. Try the 225lb bench max rep after this:

3 sets of 145lb DB incline presses
3 sets of 80lb incline flyes
3 sets of 115lb flat DB presses

Then....hammer out 18 reps with 225 Thats me.

Gotta keep it real!!!

Damn it, thats right 4th excersize of the day lol. Well i can dream....

[viennafat]

Oh and it makes me feel good to know manu can only bench 225x18 Im not too far behind you there!

That's pretty good Chris! Definitely mirin. I would love to be even remotely close to that.

Although I think for Manu that # usually after like 9 sets of other chest exercises.
unreal...


EDIT: Manu already beat me to it.

[PBateman2]

I use the cross arm method..i cant get comfortable with the rack position.

@ Manu, how do you not crush your fingers in that position? I try to do that everytime i front squat, but have not been able to do it without crushing my fingers.

I first used cross arm but recently switched to rack position. Strong fingers

Just takes practice and what you feel comfortable doing.

[Cheap5.0]

That's pretty good Chris! Definitely mirin. I would love to be even remotely close to that.

Although I think for Manu that # usually after like 9 sets of other chest exercises.
unreal...


EDIT: Manu already beat me to it.

Im a reformed bench monkey, i spent years benching and curling...i build muscle quickly in my chest now. Yes i do beleive in "muscle memory". If only i spent years squatting as well....

I first used cross arm but recently switched to rack position. Strong fingers

Just takes practice and what you feel comfortable doing.

Do you rest the BB on your front delts, with your fingers in between?

[PBateman2]

Damn it, thats right 4th excersize of the day lol. Well i can dream....

All good. Youre making great progress. Bottom line is to just be CONSISTENT! Never forget that!

Do you rest the BB on your front delts, with your fingers in between?

Correct!