Comments on my h-drol/m-drol cycles please

[cvgcuzz]

I planned to start my h-drol cycle at the end of the year then move on to m-drol about 3 months after. Below is my planned cycles that I would like to start on Jan 1st, please comment. Your inputs on any part of my post will be greatly appreciated. I've been lifting on off since I was 16. The only supp that I take is NO Xplode and was on a very bad diet. My diet is getting healthier now but I feel as if I'm at a stopping point right now that's why. I'm want to make sure I do this right the first time around, if I'm even ready. Thanks in advance.

About myself:
Age:26
Weight: 145
Height: 5'4"

I work out 5-6 days a week. 1 day full upper body and the next lower. Though my leg are behind at the moment compares to my upper body.
Workout routines (I workout in the exact order listed):
Upper body:
Flat bench 135 x 10/ 185 x 8/ 205 x 6/ 225 x 4
Pull up 10/10/10
Incline bench 135 x 10/ 155 x 8/ 185 x 4~6
Chin up w/ 45 dumbell 10/8/7
Military press 95 x 10/ 115 x 8/ 135 x 4~6
Pull up 10/10/10
Cable cross (not sure the exact weight but reps are) 10/10/10/8/6
Dip w/ 45 dumbell 10/10/10/10/10

Lower body:
Squat 135 x 10/ 155 x 10/ 185 x 10
abs
and any leg machines that are not in use...

H-drol:

Pre-load: 2 weeks
1 week before CA - Hawthorne Berry
1 week before CA - Milkthistle
1 week before hdrol- Cycle Assist
2 weeks - Liv52
Fish oil

Cycle: 6 weeks
H-Drol 50/75/75/75/75/75
Creatine mono
4 hours apart hdrol - Cycle Assist 8/8/8/8/8/8
Red Yeast Rice 1.2g ed
CoQ10
Liv52
Protein
Fish oil

PCT: 6 weeks
Liquid Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) - 20/20/20/10/10/10
PCT Assist – 6/6/6/6/6/6
SNS Inhibit E - 3/2/2/1/0/0
Reduce XT – 0/0/3/3/3/3
Liv52
Fish oil
Multi-vitamins
pre-workout – NO Xplode
Protein


M-drol:

Pre-load: 2 weeks
1 week before CA- Hawthorne Berry
1 week before CA - Milkthistle
1 week - Cycle Assist
2 week - Liv52
Fish oil

Cycle: 3 weeks
M-Drol 10/20/20
Creatine mono
4 hours apart mdrol - Cycle Assist 8/8/8
Red Yeast Rice 1.2g ed
CoQ10
Liv52
Protein
Fish oil

PCT: 6 weeks
Liquid Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) – 40/30/20/10/10/0
Reduce XT – 0/0/3/3/3/3
Bioforge
SNS Inhibit E - 3/2/2/1/0/0
PCT Assist 6/6/6/6/6/6
Cycle Assist 8/8/8/8/8/8
CoQ10
Pre-workout - NO Xplode
Multi-vitamins
Fish oil
Protein
Liv52

Should I change/remove/replace anything on the list?
Should I use NO Xplode during the pre-cycle period?
and is 3 weeks for m-drol good enough or should I make it 4?
I don't want to overkill on the supp but would like to be on the safe side as well. Thanks much

[dday39]

pct looks like overkill

[cvgcuzz]

What should I take out from both PCTs?

[_Smitty_]

About myself:
Age:26
Weight: 145
Height: 5'4"

slow your roll, player... you're 145 lbs. you shouldn't even be posting this until you've proven you can get to 160-170 through diet and training.

no i don't think your height matters in terms of what your weight is.

if you're going to "go ahead and do what you want" like most who post up for cycle advice, your PCTs for both cycles are ridiculously coordinated.

being cautious is one thing, and that's fine, but those are way, way overblown.

[SICKNOUZA]

cycle + PCT = off time

[De__eB]

H-drol:

Pre-load: 2 weeks
1 week before CA - Hawthorne Berry no
1 week before CA - Milkthistle no
1 week before hdrol- Cycle Assist
2 weeks - Liv52 no
Fish oil You should be taking this anyways

Cycle: 6 weeks
H-Drol 50/75/75/75/75/75
Creatine mono
4 hours apart hdrol - Cycle Assist 8/8/8/8/8/8 AI Cycle Support 2.0 is better IMO
Red Yeast Rice 1.2g ed no
CoQ10
Liv52 If you want dedicated liver support supp, get TL Liver Longer, or research chem UDCA, fuck that other weak ****
Taurine, if you need it

PCT: 6 weeks
Liquid Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) - 20/20/20/10/10/10 20/20/10/10
PCT Assist – 6/6/6/6/6/6 no
SNS Inhibit E - 3/2/2/1/0/0 no
Reduce XT – 0/0/3/3/3/3 no
Liv52 [/b]Don't need this...even if you do, a weeks fine, not 6[/b]
pre-workout – NO Xplode If you don't know what a good Pre-WO is, you might not want to be running PH/DS cycles

Triazole starting week 3 of PCT, (when you reduce nolva to 10)



M-drol:

Pre-load: 2 weeks
1 week before CA- Hawthorne Berry no
1 week before CA - Milkthistle no
1 week - Cycle Assist
2 week - Liv52 no

Cycle: 3 weeks
M-Drol 10/20/20
Creatine mono
4 hours apart mdrol - Cycle Assist 8/8/8
Red Yeast Rice 1.2g ed
CoQ10
Liv52 no, liver longer
Taurine, if you need it

PCT: 6 weeks 4 weeks
Liquid Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) – 40/30/20/10/10/0no, 30/20/10/10
Reduce XT – 0/0/3/3/3/3 no
Bioforge
SNS Inhibit E - 3/2/2/1/0/0 no
PCT Assist 6/6/6/6/6/6 no
Cycle Assist 8/8/8/8/8/8no
CoQ10
Liv52 no need for more than a week...

Should I change/remove/replace anything on the list?
Should I use NO Xplode during the pre-cycle period?
and is 3 weeks for m-drol good enough or should I make it 4?
I don't want to overkill on the supp but would like to be on the safe side as well. Thanks much

see bold for my opinion

[cvgcuzz]

slow your roll, player... you're 145 lbs. you shouldn't even be posting this until you've proven you can get to 160-170 through diet and training.

no i don't think your height matters in terms of what your weight is.

if you're going to "go ahead and do what you want" like most who post up for cycle advice, your PCTs for both cycles are ridiculously coordinated.

being cautious is one thing, and that's fine, but those are way, way overblown.

Weight is one of my concern as well on either I should be taking PH, I'll try to get my weight up to 160 before I start. Thanks

[cvgcuzz]

see bold for my opinion

Thanks for the advices. I figured it's a bit long compares to other logs on here and "Superdrol for dummies" but I'll tone down both cycles and will research on the supps you suggested. NO Xplode has been working for me for awhile that's why I want to put in, however, the caffeine is the part the I'm unsure of during the PCT and pre-loading phase.

[cvgcuzz]

cycle + PCT = off time

Can you explain this a bit more?

[De__eB]

Can you explain this a bit more?

6 week cycle + 4 week pct = 10 weeks break between pct, and pre-loading for next cycle minimum is what he's trying to say.

Its somewhat broscientific, but better safe than sorry, especially since no offense you don't seem like much the philosoraptor of the PH game.

[_Smitty_]

Weight is one of my concern as well on either I should be taking PH, I'll try to get my weight up to 160 before I start. Thanks

you absolutely should, and i appreciate you considering my criticism w/o hostility... the inability (or unwillingness, in some cases) to naturally gain weight in preparation for a cycle speaks to inexperience more than anything else.

these types of products are to be considered as the icing on the cake... without a cake (proper understanding of nutrition and training, as well as basic supplementation), the cycle will be a complete failure.

[tothelimit27]

I planned to start my h-drol cycle at the end of the year then move on to m-drol about 3 months after. Below is my planned cycles that I would like to start on Jan 1st, please comment. Your inputs on any part of my post will be greatly appreciated. I've been lifting on off since I was 16. The only supp that I take is NO Xplode and was on a very bad diet. My diet is getting healthier now but I feel as if I'm at a stopping point right now that's why. I'm want to make sure I do this right the first time around, if I'm even ready. Thanks in advance.

About myself:
Age:26
Weight: 145
Height: 5'4"

I work out 5-6 days a week. 1 day full upper body and the next lower. Though my leg are behind at the moment compares to my upper body.
Workout routines (I workout in the exact order listed):
Upper body:
Flat bench 135 x 10/ 185 x 8/ 205 x 6/ 225 x 4
Pull up 10/10/10
Incline bench 135 x 10/ 155 x 8/ 185 x 4~6
Chin up w/ 45 dumbell 10/8/7
Military press 95 x 10/ 115 x 8/ 135 x 4~6
Pull up 10/10/10
Cable cross (not sure the exact weight but reps are) 10/10/10/8/6
Dip w/ 45 dumbell 10/10/10/10/10

Lower body:
Squat 135 x 10/ 155 x 10/ 185 x 10
abs
and any leg machines that are not in use...

H-drol:

Pre-load: 2 weeks
1 week before CA - Hawthorne Berry
1 week before CA - Milkthistle
1 week before hdrol- Cycle Assist
2 weeks - Liv52
Fish oil

Cycle: 6 weeks
H-Drol 50/75/75/75/75/75
Creatine mono
4 hours apart hdrol - Cycle Assist 8/8/8/8/8/8
Red Yeast Rice 1.2g ed
CoQ10
Liv52
Protein
Fish oil

PCT: 6 weeks
Liquid Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) - 20/20/20/10/10/10
PCT Assist – 6/6/6/6/6/6
SNS Inhibit E - 3/2/2/1/0/0
Reduce XT – 0/0/3/3/3/3
Liv52
Fish oil
Multi-vitamins
pre-workout – NO Xplode
Protein


M-drol:

Pre-load: 2 weeks
1 week before CA- Hawthorne Berry
1 week before CA - Milkthistle
1 week - Cycle Assist
2 week - Liv52
Fish oil

Cycle: 3 weeks
M-Drol 10/20/20
Creatine mono
4 hours apart mdrol - Cycle Assist 8/8/8
Red Yeast Rice 1.2g ed
CoQ10
Liv52
Protein
Fish oil

PCT: 6 weeks
Liquid Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) – 40/30/20/10/10/0
Reduce XT – 0/0/3/3/3/3
Bioforge
SNS Inhibit E - 3/2/2/1/0/0
PCT Assist 6/6/6/6/6/6
Cycle Assist 8/8/8/8/8/8
CoQ10
Pre-workout - NO Xplode
Multi-vitamins
Fish oil
Protein
Liv52

Should I change/remove/replace anything on the list?
Should I use NO Xplode during the pre-cycle period?
and is 3 weeks for m-drol good enough or should I make it 4?
I don't want to overkill on the supp but would like to be on the safe side as well. Thanks much

You should forget the PH's and work on your training regimine!!.. I feel like you have a lot to learn about lifting in general before you start doing anything remotely close to steroids. You do an upper body day and a lower body day and repeat???.. First off your upper body day is only 3 chest exercises, military press, dips, and a bunch of pull-ups.. then you say your lower body day is squats .. and whatever machines you use... this is a terrible routine.. you should get your diet and training down and I guarentee you see some good gains.. especially at 145lbs. Think twice about this...

[cvgcuzz]

You should forget the PH's and work on your training regimine!!.. I feel like you have a lot to learn about lifting in general before you start doing anything remotely close to steroids. You do an upper body day and a lower body day and repeat???.. First off your upper body day is only 3 chest exercises, military press, dips, and a bunch of pull-ups.. then you say your lower body day is squats .. and whatever machines you use... this is a terrible routine.. you should get your diet and training down and I guarentee you see some good gains.. especially at 145lbs. Think twice about this...

I forgot to put biceps and tri, but that's part of the reason I put my info up. I do alternate between dumbells and barbells but mostly barbells. I do miss a lot of lower body workout that's why I want to give some time (2-3 months) before I start my PH. Though it is helpful to get other people's thought on my routines so I can improve it. From the replies, so far I know that my goal before the PH cycles will be to get to 160 and start focusing more on lower body. Also keep track of my workouts.

[tothelimit27]

I forgot to put biceps and tri, but that's part of the reason I put my info up. I do alternate between dumbells and barbells but mostly barbells. I do miss a lot of lower body workout that's why I want to give some time (2-3 months) before I start my PH. Though it is helpful to get other people's thought on my routines so I can improve it. From the replies, so far I know that my goal before the PH cycles will be to get to 160 and start focusing more on lower body. Also keep track of my workouts.

have you thought about doing a different split. When I first started in the weight room I did what you have been doing (upper body days and lower body days). However, I believe if you isolate a different muscle or group everyday you are able to hit it with much more intensity. Maybe try something like this..(my workout schedule)

Mon- Legs
Tues- Chest
wed- Back
thur- bis/tris
fri- Shoulders
Sat- off or cardio
Sun- off or cardio

[Joeycamaro]

Weight is one of my concern as well on either I should be taking PH, I'll try to get my weight up to 160 before I start. Thanks

You will like hdrol if it's your first ph, but I would leave more time between cycles. Mdrol is really strong and at your size may be too much. No offense, but 200lb guys are taking mdrol at 10mg a day and blowing up.

[cvgcuzz]

have you thought about doing a different split. When I first started in the weight room I did what you have been doing (upper body days and lower body days). However, I believe if you isolate a different muscle or group everyday you are able to hit it with much more intensity. Maybe try something like this..(my workout schedule)

Mon- Legs
Tues- Chest
wed- Back
thur- bis/tris
fri- Shoulders
Sat- off or cardio
Sun- off or cardio

Thanks! I'll definitely give this a try. Does working out one muscle group a week gives you good gain?

[SICKNOUZA]

Thanks! I'll definitely give this a try. Does working out one muscle group a week gives you good gain?

yes, your body can not grow without recovery time. tear and repair.

[cvgcuzz]

You will like hdrol if it's your first ph, but I would leave more time between cycles. Mdrol is really strong and at your size may be too much. No offense, but 200lb guys are taking mdrol at 10mg a day and blowing up.

I see. I'll probably stay with hdrol and maybe mdrol down the road. Planning to push my cycle off for 6 months just to get my routine and weight in range first though. Thanks for the advice man.

[tothelimit27]

Thanks! I'll definitely give this a try. Does working out one muscle group a week gives you good gain?

Yes, honestly once you start getting past those newbie gains you shouldn't be able to lift some muscle groups multiple times a week. I do Chest on Tuesdays about 5 different lifts and I'm sore until Friday. Don't even plan H-drol 6 months down the road. Get Ph's out of your head. It seems like everythings still new to you. Try looking around this site for different workout routines and lifts. Be more concerned about gaining weight naturally. Honestly at 145 you should be able to put on 10 pounds no problem if you do things the right way.

Do you get your recommended amount of protein a day. You should be getting about 200 grams a day at your weight. Try this if you aren't already. There are great articles on workouts and diets all over bodybuilding.com USE THEM. Good luck man hope you take some of this advice cause if you stay commited you'll get huge without steroids.

[TheDopz]

This thread has constructive criticism and the OP is taking it very well, what site am I on?

[tothelimit27]

This thread has constructive criticism and the OP is taking it very well, what site am I on?

yea every once in a while you get a thread full of reasonable people that actually want to help lol. The problem is a lot of people that post ask questions but get offended if people dont tell them what they want to hear. Once that happens the bros start flexing and its on..

[ChristianLoving]

This thread has constructive criticism and the OP is taking it very well, what site am I on?

Its because the OP gave a lot of detail about what hes trying to do / has done. His attemps at a stack don't scream troll, even though it needs work.


Thus...


We help him

[cvgcuzz]

Thanks guys for all the advices. I always thought that my body weight vs size is exactly where they're suppose to be at so I never attempted to gain anymore. Now I have a longer new year resolution list lol. De_eB and Smitty really appreciate your advices.