EC + Lean Xtreme on CKD Intermittent fasting

[swaneon]

This is my first log. Quite excited haha
I guess it's kind of cheating since i've been on ec and ckd + IF for the past week but im buying lean xtreme so ill log that. I've losted about 8 pounds in the 2 weeks or so due to Keto and IF. I started Keto 1 week before doing Keto and IF, used EC during those times. I try and use the leangains but I can't do that exactly due to school but its fairly close

Goal:
Cut to be able to see 6 or 8 pack lol

Current Stats:
Height: 5' 7''
Weight: Fluctuates but right its 168
Bench: 305
Squat: 405
Deadlifts: 315

Supplements:
Optimum Nutrition Gold Whey: Strawberry
Optimum Nutrition Casein: Creamy Vanilla
Scivation Xtend BCAA: Blue Raspberry
DS: Lean Xtreme
EC:
Bronkaid (25mg)
Caffeine (200mg)


Kirkland Fish Oil
Kirkland Vitamin C
Kirkland Multivitamins


Starting weight (11/1/2010):
BF: unknown

Nutrition:

M/W:
Wake up at 830AM
Lots of Water
EC stack + Lean Xtreme

Workout at 1245
BCAA: 10gram (15 minutes before)--1230
EC + Lean Xtreme Stack: 20 minutes before--1225
Finish Workout at 130
Protein: 30 grams at 140

First meal/breaking Intermittent Fasting: 230 or so
6 whole eggs/6 slices of bacon
mushrooms/cheese
chicken breast x 2
ground beef 80/20
multi vitamins/fish oil/ vitamin c

Second meal: 600 or so
4 whole eggs/6 slices of bacon
some green + red peppers
fried chicken thigh
broccoli and ranch

Last "meal": 1000
casein protein
fish oil/ vitamin c

Sleep at 1230

T/Thursday:
Wake up at 830AM
Lots of Water
EC stack + Lean Xtreme

EC + Lean Xtreme: 100

First meal/breaking Intermittent Fasting: 200 or so
4 whole eggs/3 slices of bacon
mushrooms/cheese
chicken breast
ground beef 80/20
multi vitamins/fish oil/ vitamin c

Second meal: 600 or so
3 whole eggs/3 slices of bacon
some green + red peppers
fried chicken thigh
broccoli and ranch

Last "meal": 1000 on Tuesday but 12 on Thursday
casein protein
fish oil/ vitamin c

Sleep at 1230 on Tuesday and 130 on Thursday

Friday:
Wake up at 830AM
Lots of Water
EC stack + Lean Xtreme

EC + Lean Xtreme: 100

First meal/breaking Intermittent Fasting: 200 or so
4 whole eggs/3 slices of bacon
mushrooms/cheese
chicken breast
ground beef 80/20
multi vitamins/fish oil/ vitamin c

Second meal: 600 or so
3 whole eggs/3 slices of bacon
some green + red peppers
fried chicken thigh
broccoli and ranch

Last "meal": 1000
casein protein
fish oil/ vitamin c

Workout at 5
BCAA: 10gram (15 minutes before)
EC + Lean Xtreme Stack: 20 minutes
Finish at 550
Protein: 30 grams at 6


Workout:
I rotate between ABC on MWF
On Fridays I incorporate some other exercies so its more of a full body and i can deplete my glycogen storage in preparation for the carb up

A: Deadlift based
Full Hanging Leg Raises 5x5
Dragon Flags 3x3
Deadlift 5x5
Romanian Deadlift: 10x3
Dumbell deadlift: 6x4
One armed deadlift: 5x5
Oblique Sidebends: 8 x 3
Hammer Curls: 6x4

B: Squat Based
Full Hanging Leg Raises 5x5
Dragon Flags 3x1
Overhead Press 5x5
Rows: 5x5
Zercher Squat: 5x5
Front Squat: 10x3
Bulgarian Squat: 5x5
Calf Raise: 5x5

C: Bench based
Dragon Flags: 3x1
Barbell Bench: 5x5
Incline Bench: 5x5
Decline: 5x5
Oblique Sidebends: 12x3
Full Leg Raise: 6x5
Wood Chopper: 10x3

[PinchTheBear]

Excellent set-up.

[Robboe]

Could be interesting.

[itzDodge]

Damn son you've got like every base covered....I am impress...

[Kenshinhimora]

I like your setup a lot but one question, shouldn't you wait about an hour after your post workout shake to have your first meal? Other wise the fat will slow down the protein digestion (Eileen mentioned this on the Keto boards).

[swaneon]

thats true, ill change it
i usually eat 40 minutes or so after because i have to take the bus back to my apartment

i wish i could post pics haha but the progress from just the 1 week of keto and 1 week of if+ckd has been really nice

but yesterday I did the deadlift setup:
felt a bit weaker haha but that's probably from the lack of sleep and some bad food--stayed in the restroom for the longest time
had the two big meals
felt really full and didnt want to eat the second haha

[swaneon]

i feel sore from deadlift days haha
abs feel a lot better
I "feel" fat burning haha

EC stack provided a consistant stream of clean energy
today i never had any feeling of being tired at all
but i did oversleep probably beecause of the deadlift workout haha

[swaneon]

Wanted to test my weight when I woke: 166
Took an EC stack earlier today: feel really good right now
Today is alternate chest so I'll probably do dumbbells instead of using a barbell

[heytred]

How's the Blue Rasberry Xtend flavor wise?

Set up is looking great.

[Adrnalnrsh]

I am on CKD too and am curious how long you think you may need to be on it with the lean extreme. Just asking for stock up purposes.

[swaneon]

I love the blueberry taste but its quite strong
what i do is since i have some left over amount of ModernBcaa unflavored, i mix 75% Xtend and the rest ModernBcaa which gives it a light flavor akin to a natural koolaid

but if you dont have that, i'd just mix 2 scoops or less in 20ounces shake and let it sit which produces a really nice flavor imo; better than consuming it directly

Since i already started a cycle of EC, im going to finish the rest of the cycle (3 more weeks with LeanXtreme and EC) but then on keto im do one bottle and give it a rest.
Keto by itself was hard for me because of class but it burned a lot of fat.
Since im on keto, i dont think LXT is a necessity but its more like that extra helper.
Saw myself after workout and progress is going excellent:
Will post up pics when i can haha

[swaneon]

anyways, before i go to sleep i used a keto strip and it was showing dark purple haha

[swaneon]

received my order of lean extreme
should be interesting from now on
im going to change my dosing of LX and EC a bit
ill have EC+LX together in the morning and do a staggered dosing

[PinchTheBear]

received my order of lean extreme
should be interesting from now on
im going to change my dosing of LX and EC a bit
ill have EC+LX together in the morning and do a staggered dosing

Explain

[swaneon]

Explain

I read some posts about how EC raises cortisol and LX lowers it and that it might be better to dose them separately
if someone thinks otherwise ill look into that but right now the protocol is

830 AM:
EC + LX same time

12:30
EC

1:30
LX


6:
LX

Right now im SUPER sweaty and hot lol
definitely feel the effects of EC and LX haha

[PinchTheBear]

I read some posts about how EC raises cortisol and LX lowers it and that it might be better to dose them separately
if someone thinks otherwise ill look into that but right now the protocol is

830 AM:
EC + LX same time

12:30
EC

1:30
LX


6:
LX

Right now im SUPER sweaty and hot lol
definitely feel the effects of EC and LX haha

The increases in cortisol from E/C are transient and acute (not very significant and short-lived) while Lean Xtreme's cortisol control is more significant and chronic (over a longer period of time). As long as you're taking LX consistently and eating enough then curtailing the E/C cortisol increases isn't going to depend on dosing them separately, if that makes sense.

In effect, don't worry about the dose-timing... that worry is increasing your cortisol.

[swaneon]

The increases in cortisol from E/C are transient and acute (not very significant and short-lived) while Lean Xtreme's cortisol control is more significant and chronic (over a longer period of time). As long as you're taking LX consistently and eating enough then curtailing the E/C cortisol increases isn't going to depend on dosing them separately, if that makes sense.

In effect, don't worry about the dose-timing... that worry is increasing your cortisol.

oh haha k thanks, ill take them at the same time

[Robboe]

The green tea in the Lean Xtreme can potentiate the stim effect of the EC so bear that in mind, but otherwise follow Pinch's advice.

[swaneon]

thanks:
i took both an hour ago and haven't felt any difference but ill update throughout the day

[swaneon]

ok so i feel a small but noticeable temperature increase (a tiny bit more sweaty)
but its nothing startling--i do have a pretty steady flow of CLEAN energy though

this stack is not as stimulating as my 2 x OEP stack in which i would just outright sweat haha
but i like the EC + LX stack

will workout later today at the intended time

[PinchTheBear]

ok so i feel a small but noticeable temperature increase (a tiny bit more sweaty)
but its nothing startling--i do have a pretty steady flow of CLEAN energy though

this stack is not as stimulating as my 2 x OEP stack in which i would just outright sweat haha
but i like the EC + LX stack

will workout later today at the intended time

I would much rather have the clean energy. Without the 1,3-DMAA you have a very different type of stimulation going on here. The excessive sweating doesn't necessarily mean you're burning more fat... I really think there is no argument for anything over E/C + Lean Xtreme.

[swaneon]

definitely true

for an update i decided i'd only do one carb up day and that was the meals after workout on friday

for the workout, it was the squat based one
probably a tiny bit weaker but did zercher 225 for 2x3
and i decided to do incline flys with 60lbs for 5x5 which is damn hard if you ask me haha

took the EC + LX stack every 4 hours and that was nice due to the stream of clean energy

BUT the carb up was basically garbage because I went out with a friend and we ended up eating mcdonalds bc she wanted to talk in private ( just ate and talked in her car)

Overall it was within the caloric range but i still feel bad haha
Angus Bacon and Cheeseburger x 1
Mcchicken x 2
Mcrib x 1
Large Fries x 1

Total calories: 2470
Carbs: 247
Fat: 120
Protein: 120
Overall I think im started to look the stubborn fat, will post a pic either today or tomorrow

[swaneon]

saw a deal on Ghenerate
2 for $28
was thinking if i should add that to my current stack or not?

[swaneon]

definitely had a cheat day again
ate some brown rice
honey bunches of oats and fried yams*** love these
but overall still feel good
will post progress pics soon

took EC + LX at
1000
200
600

am still on IF but with carb up: seems to work pretty well for me
i am seeing veins on my biceps now
was thinking if i should change workout t
M/T and Thurs./Friday instead

any suggestions?

*****
Oh and on IF and Keto, noticed my sleep has gotten considerable better
deeper sleep and when I wake up i feel a LOT more refreshed even if its on less sleep than usual
Used sleep cycle on my phone to track (don't know how well it works) but a lot better cycles

[swaneon]

going to post a review of EC + LX after this is over haha
but today took the EC + LX stack and im feeling really amazing especially since the energy is enhanced from not consuming any food


EC stack by itself:
8.5/10

EC + Lean Xtreme:
9.75/10

Lean Xtreme by itself:
??/??

1st Meal:
Keto pancake
4 strips of bacon
1/4 tbone steak

[Adrnalnrsh]

So your doing IF all 7 days including cheat days?

[swaneon]

that is correct
I find it a lot easier to maintain that way and it fits in with my sleeping schedule during the weekends

my current review of IF/CKD:

IF:
Love it love it love it
I try and do 16 hours of not eating and 8 of a feeding window but it varies (not too much) but i love the fasted state
i feel a lot more alert and it has helped with my sleeping cycles

CKD:
I love to eat high fatty foods and so this diet is perfect for me
combined with keto, i feel a lot better
It's not too hard for me to stay in ketosis because of what I usually eat and I don't have a hunger for carbs ( and i dont like sugar) so having cravings for the majority of carb loaded foods isn't too hard to stop---and the keto receipes forum has a lot of amazing foods
i can start to see the top 2 packs for a complete 6 but theres the last left on the bottom
im not sure if its 2 more or not for an 8 pack haha

[swaneon]

soo ill probably include more things in the log tomorrow
such as workout outcome and food (along with pictures haha)

[Robboe]

So your doing IF all 7 days including cheat days?

For appetite and hunger control this is best as it trains the body to get hungry during the same feeding times. Over time you will not be hungry during fasting times. The body gets used to a schedule if you stick with it long enough.

[Adrnalnrsh]

Thanks that's what i figured. Right now I am adapted to eat every three hours. I just switched to IF yesterday. Doing same as swaneon and am doing 16 hour fasts.