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    How much do Naturopathic Doctors make; should they be taken seriously?

    where does the answer lie?
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    They are not real doctors. May as well work in a supplement store.




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    The few I've known of have waiting lists to see them, and only accept cash so I would assume they make very good money.


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    They are not real doctors, do not listen to their hippie advice.
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    depends on the health problem, its severity and the doctor

    high blood pressure?

    most md's: here, let me be a slave to big pharmaceutical companies that have brainwashed me and prescribe you a pill for that.

    nd: overhaul of diet, exercise, includes specific details. but a list of useless herbal stuff, like cranberry extract as previous poster said

    any doctor I see keeps up with current medical literature, publishes in medical journals etc
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    Originally Posted by MrAWatts View Post
    They are not real doctors. May as well work in a supplement store.




    Witch doctors =/= real medical doctors.
    depends on who you see.

    a normal western medical doctor will pump you full of all kinds of fancy named pharmaceuticals and get paid top dollar to do it. and probably well over 90% of those pharmaceuticals will fuk you up in ways that are unrepairable. just look at all the stupid commercials you see about lipitor and all that other junk with a million side affects that most people dont even need. western doctors work for those company's. and those company's are constantly getting sued
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    Originally Posted by icery View Post
    depends on the health problem, its severity and the doctor

    high blood pressure?

    most md's: here, let me be a slave to big pharmaceutical companies that have brainwashed me and prescribe you a pill for that.

    nd: overhaul of diet, exercise, includes specific details. but a list of useless herbal stuff, like cranberry extract as previous poster said

    any doctor I see keeps up with current medical literature, publishes in medical journals etc
    this.

    see with the western md, what do you have to lose if his $hit dont work? your health, time, and money.

    with the Nature dude, what do you have to lose? just money and time.

    western doctors should be a last resort. like surgery.
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    Originally Posted by colt.45 View Post
    where does the answer lie?

    1) good estimate is $55 - 80k, all dependent on the "doctor"
    2) insurance will not reimburse for the most part
    3) they are not real doctors
    4) 8 years of school still
    5) I would not take them seriously
    6) better to get a real medical license and then practice natural medicine
    7) real doctors dont take them seriously
    8) supplement market is unregulated, would not trust
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    Originally Posted by buknasty View Post
    depends on who you see.

    a normal western medical doctor will pump you full of all kinds of fancy named pharmaceuticals and get paid top dollar to do it. and probably well over 90% of those pharmaceuticals will fuk you up in ways that are unrepairable. just look at all the stupid commercials you see about lipitor and all that other junk with a million side affects that most people dont even need. western doctors work for those company's. and those company's are constantly getting sued

    A good MD will always promote natural remedies first before medications. All doctors will agree that the less medication you are on the better. It is the responsibility of the patient to know their bodies and know what medications they may take. For example it is real easy to go to see your doctor about anxiety and get put on Paxil, however, with the side effects and low effectiveness rate, the patient is much better doing a run of cognitive behavior therapy. This should be suggested before medication.
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    Originally Posted by DrFeeIGood View Post
    A good MD will always promote natural remedies first before medications. All doctors will agree that the less medication you are on the better. It is the responsibility of the patient to know their bodies and know what medications they may take. For example it is real easy to go to see your doctor about anxiety and get put on Paxil, however, with the side effects and low effectiveness rate, the patient is much better doing a run of cognitive behavior therapy. This should be suggested before medication.
    with my experience this is most certainly not the case. they have always wanted to drug me up or put some stupid chemical cream on me or something. then it ends up causing more problems.

    "hows your head? two in the mouth"

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    Although not real doctors, a Naturopath has offered me supplemental advice that has helped with measurable results for minor health issues. Now if they start saying they can cure your cancer with pine cones I suggest you look for advice elsewhere.
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    Originally Posted by buknasty View Post
    with my experience this is most certainly not the case. they have always wanted to drug me up or put some stupid chemical cream on me or something. then it ends up causing more problems.

    "hows your head? two in the mouth"


    a GOOD MD, many are drug pushers because people b!tch about not getting medication when they come in, I see it everyday. If a patient requests drugs, that is usually what they get. Not saying its right, but a doctors day is usually packed and he doesnt have the time to address everything that should be addressed, sad to say health care is a business these days.
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    Originally Posted by DrFeeIGood View Post
    a GOOD MD, many are drug pushers because people b!tch about not getting medication when they come in, I see it everyday. If a patient requests drugs, that is usually what they get. Not saying its right, but a doctors day is usually packed and he doesnt have the time to address everything that should be addressed, sad to say health care is a business these days.
    a good MD is going to listen to his patients? the ones with no education on the matter? simply because "he is running a business"?

    sorry, that is not a good health care provider.
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    Originally Posted by buknasty View Post
    a good MD is going to listen to his patients? the ones with no education on the matter? simply because "he is running a business"?

    sorry, that is not a good health care provider.
    Yep. Why do you think people are prescribed antibiotics for the common cold? This is why we now have super bugs. Many health care providers are paid on how many patients they see everyday, so guess what happens?
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    Originally Posted by DrFeeIGood View Post
    Yep. Why do you think people are prescribed antibiotics for the common cold? This is why we now have super bugs. Many health care providers are paid on how many patients they see everyday, so guess what happens?
    so basically you agree with everything i said....
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    Originally Posted by buknasty View Post
    so basically you agree with everything i said....
    Sure but MD's are still 100x better than a ND. I don't like where health care is at or where its going these days.
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    Originally Posted by DrFeeIGood View Post
    Sure but MD's are still 100x better than a ND. I don't like where health care is at or where its going these days.
    i dont know much about what exactly an ND is. but if he is not pushing drugs on me to get rich, but rather is telling me how to live a healthier life through diet and exercise, i would go to him FIRST.

    at least you wont start bleeding from the eyes and become impotent when his treatment fails.
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    craziest drug ever taken for a problem that is completely fixed by diet changes:

    a cancer drug given for ****ing pimples.
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    craziest drug ever taken for a problem that is completely fixed by diet changes:

    a cancer drug given for ****ing pimples.
    a lot of people can cure there acne through diet but not all. trust me.
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    99% of cases I think it will. for acne and teens is just being a part of 'growing up' and raging male hormones is the biggest lie ever told. the typical acne patient has normal amount of circulating androgens. the other 1% are anabolics or corticosteroids.

    i'd like to see the full of this

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20930691
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    Ignorance is bliss

    The lack of knowledge and insight in the responses is astounding. First off, ask any physician to explain the cause of the problem, and they can't. The taught rhetoric is whatever coincides with the teachings of Big Pharma.

    Medicine is not what it used to be. The philosophy has changed decades ago. Hipocrates said, "let food be your medicine." It's common sense. You become what you put into your body. FOOD and WATER is what keeps you alive. It is not rocket science to see the correlation. If you watch supersize me, you can see the importance of a good diet. That is at the extreme of badness. But it illustrates the point. If you can't grasp the importance of diet, then you are idiot.

    MD's are for the most part, idiots. I have worked as a Physician Assistant for 13 years in Orthopedics. And I hear the same thing from every surgeon I work with. You have arthritis? You have to learn to live with it. You can take this anti inflammatory. When that doesn't work, we will inject you and/or therapy. When that doesn't work, surgery. THREE effing options?! Are you kidding me? That's the whole gamet of arthritis? The cause? Wear and tear. Genetics. That's it. BS. There's more to it than just that.

    If any one of you fools did your research, you would find out how corrupt Big Pharma really is. Oh, you will admit that they are, BUT you just can't grasp the notion that they pay amoral scientist and MD's to push their agenda. It's just like the government. They rape and pillage their own citizens in the USA and abroad pushing their imperialistic agenda, but oh no...911 was cause by Muslims in cave! Never mind the common sense that tells you a huge steel column can't get thrown a 100 yards from a simple mechanical collapse. But whatever.

    The fact is that the government doesn't care about your health. If they did, the would spend money on PREVENTATIVE medicine and not allow McDonalds to be put in the lobby of a hospital. THINK! Does that make any freaking sense?

    How about this. If you think naturopathic medicine is such a quack, then go check out earthclinic dot com and read the pages of responses to naturopathic remedies that people have reported. Go watch the documentary on youtube called The Brudzynski Movie, and also The Marketing Of Madness - Are we all insane and learn something. Big Pharma will protect their assets in whatever means they need.

    The sad thing is people like you condemn without ever investigating. You parrot what other say without ever seeing for yourself. On that not, I'll leave you with a quote from Albert Einstien. Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
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    Originally Posted by DrFeeIGood View Post
    Yep. Why do you think people are prescribed antibiotics for the common cold? This is why we now have super bugs. Many health care providers are paid on how many patients they see everyday, so guess what happens?
    Colloidal Silver. It works, I am proof. My dogs are proof. Friends are proof. Keep buying the BS and you will be another statistic.
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