Do yourself a *huge* favor and stop running. Seriously. Lifting 4x week alone will still put you in the moderate category.Originally Posted by NIKKIM13
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11-19-2011, 11:56 AM #3991Bulking
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11-19-2011, 02:22 PM #3992Registered User
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running keeps me sane! I do it for pure enjoyment and it helps when I'm feeling fat or blah or whatever.Originally Posted by freebirdmac
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11-19-2011, 03:52 PM #3993Registered User
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i totally know what you're saying. when i "bulked" the first time, before i knew what bulking was, how to properly do it, etc, and just wanted to gain muscle, i came from a place of eating below maintenance too (not talking abt ed) - i was maintaining, but not at what my true maintenance (again, i didn't even know this stuff then) and quickly increased cals and i remember for weeks suffering w/ fullness on 2200-2300 and gaining so, so quickly and freaking out. now that's lower than my maintenance. your body is smart and has learned to adapt and hold on to what you give it. the more you feed it and the more consistent you are (no restricting), the sooner your body will trust you. it's one of those things you just have to sort of believe blindly and let it happen. b/c i know i wouldn't have believed it based on others' experience. but just do it b/c it's right. fake it till you make it, if you have to. you can do this and are doing so well.Originally Posted by gobbles23
I don't know if this helps- but I have also undereaten for years. I was in a place where I was gaining on 1600 cals a day. At one point I ate ~500-1000 calories a day and was 98lbs. I gained more since then, but it didn't take much for me to gain.
Last year I decided to bulk and I gained really, really quickly on what should have been maintenance for me. I stuck it out for 6 months and went from 118-130lbs. I also felt like all I gained was fat, but it was the first time I had eaten so much consistently in a good 5-6 years at that point.
I lost the weight I had gained and was back down to 118lbs in the summer, and I didn't really look a whole lot different from before. Some slight changes, but nothing crazy.
Anyway, recently I have bumped my calories up again and have been eating 1900-2200 cals a day, and now I'm maintaining my weight, whereas at the end of last year/beginning of this year I was gaining on those calories.
My theory is that your body hoardes fat once you start eating normal after starving it for too long, but once it learns to trust you- it'll stop. Stick it out for a while and it will end up better in the long run! You're still tiny and can definitely afford to keep going for a while yet!
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11-20-2011, 01:21 AM #3994Registered User
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Безвестный Шт
Неизвестный Штирлиц
Это был совсем не тот Штирлиц, который два часа назад презрительно нес особенный чеканный профиль сообразно коридору рейхсканцелярии, попав в день избранных, приглашенных к фюреру на закрытое совещание
На дилемма о теме совещания приемная сухо ответила, — Узнаете для месте!
Даже всезнающий лис Мюллер для его телефонный звонок отреагировал без энтузиазма, — Дружище Штирлиц, ей-богу, собственноручно не знаю Вроде-бы, — вроде-бы, получен какой-то ошеломляющий результат в рамках программы «Оружие возмездия» Лично в неведении и нетерпении, — который услышим через верховного?
…Исаев возвращался с совещания в шоке Предварительно рождения слогана «Знаменитый в шоке» оставалось еще лет шестьдесят, однако это, позволительно сказать, был именно сей случай
Гораздо делись бравая выправка, невозмутимый мудрый хладнокровный воззрение кадрового разведчика?
Неуверенной походкой напрочь сраженного страшной вестью человека шел по гулким коридорам рейхсканцелярии легендарный резидент советской разведки Максим Исаев
Мечта сновидений всех женщин детородного возраста русских селений и исчадье Лубянки ради обитателей главного фашистского логова
Только чтобы тех, действительно, который догадывался, почему и чьи же действительно пальчики были на чемодане радистки Кэт
— Вот уж как, — не думай о секундах гордо! — с грустью вспомнил он то, о чем взахлеб своим лающим голосом один который рассказал им фюрер
В рамках суперзасекреченной программы сообразно разработке чудо-оружия возмездия в песках Пенемюнде не только разрабатывали реактивные снаряды и самолеты, изучали гипнотические методы воздействия для создания идеальных солдат, но и, только оказалось, с привлечением мудрецов Шамбаллы пытались осуществить попытки телепортации во времени
И — получилось!
Дословно вчера вернулся лучший посредник из далекого будущего
Минимальный временной лаг передвижения во времени был двадцать лет Из-за того, который для фоне вечности, в которой пребывали почтенные тибетские старцы, год — это весь ничто
Гауптман Зильберт, тщательно подобранный эскулапами и гестапо идеальный модель чистокровного арийца с великолепной родословной, выпученными белесыми глазами и челкой а-ля Самоуправно, был заброшен в грудь врага, — Москву
В голове Исаева наперегонки побежали отрывки из экзальтированного доклада Зильберта
…Шестьдесят пятый Памятная медаль — «Двадцать лет Победы» Отмечают победу ежегодно Важнейший девиз, — Никто не забыт, ничто не забыто На нас — знак побежденных Мрачновато
…Восемьдесят пятый Памятная медаль — «Сорок лет Победы» В стране — разброд и шатание СССР разрушается как глиняный колосс Германия, экселленц, уже поднялась так, который, используя русскую поговорку, — немного не покажется Светлеет
…Две тысячи пятый Памятная медаль — «Шестьдесят лет Победы» Кстати, сообразно случаю для Арбате приобрел две, — вам и себе Полная и бесповоротная торжество, выше фюрер! Наша!
СССР — вышли! Распался! Компартии — несть! Вернее, есть, но влачит жалкое бытие и всего сонливый ее не пинает В России — капитализм! Согласен такой, сколько нам и не снилось Российские миллиардеры — в первой сотке В стране и для экранах кинотеатров и телевизоров, — это как-бы мини домашний кинотеатр, — сплошной канкан и разврат DasistFantastish, meinFurer!
В Москве, вы можете представить, экселленц, — в Москве! с аншлагом проходит выступление мужского тевтонского хора из Rammstein‘а Кто бы мог подумать?! Вы же знаете, фюрер, сей заштатный городишко! Который тогда лепетать о берлинских коллективах?!
Конечно, чуть было не забыл, перворазрядный бес России их современный союзник, - Штаты
— А мы?! — пересохшим через волнения голосом спросил фюрерravenclaw ru/]
— А мы, — гауптман улыбнулся, — выдающийся товарищ России и самая богатая страна в Европе
— Но как же…словно же, — с горечью подумал Исаев, — Сначала думай о Родине, ну, а потом, — о себе?
Выйдя для крыльцо рейхсканцелярии, расстроенный Исаев остановился Поправил щегольски накинутую для плечи шинель штандартенфюрера гестапо Пред тем, как подойти к своему авто, дрожащими пальцами достал из пачки сигарету Затянулся
Апрель сорок пятого чтобы Европы выдался холодным
Далеко громыхало Где-то для окраине Берлина бог перечеркивали сполохи зарниц
— Канонада! — подумал Исаев, — Наши приближаются!
Только того теплого чувства, которое прежде возникало присутствие воспоминании о Родине, о своих товарищах сообразно оружию, и заставляло, беззвучно шевеля губами, вдруг говорится «про себя», ворожить родные болтовня песни-директивы «Не думай о секундах гордо…», почему-то не было
— Это ж как постараться приходится было, воеже БЕСПРИЧИННО весь просрать! — с горечью подумал он
— А как же, — …и разряд — наш рулевой, и молодой Октябрь впереди…мятежный держите шаг…совершенно выше, и выше, и выше-е-е-е?!
Штирлиц елееле сильно не выругался, только сдержался Понимая, что для ступеньках рейхсканцелярии это было бы не политкорректно
Штирлиц вдобавок не знал, который лет через сорок уединенно лицо в России скажет действительно фразу, которая потом для некоторый годы довольно девизом чтобы страны, — Эх! Хотели ровно лучше, а получилось, — ровно вовек!
Он отбросил недокуренную сигарету и подошел к своему Хорьху
С тех пор, когда Исаев заметил по утрам тремор пальцев, — или от предчувствия скорой победы, а может, — отчего-то другого, он самовольно следовать руль не садился
Его возил молодой безусый парнишка из гитлерюгенда Тем более, который в их кругах, — аппаратчиков высшего уровня, это невыносимо даже приветствовалось
— Хорст! — бросил ему Штирлиц с заднего сиденья, — помнишь, ты пару раз подвозил меня к заведению фрау Дитрих для Курфюрстендам, — закрытое убежище ради отдельно важных партайгеноссе?
— «Слеза комсомолки»? — весело ответил юнец
— Ты смотри, паки както, небось, бойскаутом в шортах бегал, а туда же! — мало подумал про себя Исаев — Да! — ответил он, — начинать, выше киндерсюрприз туда! Устал я что-то! Расслабиться надо
Предварительно ним вдруг всплыло лицо жены
Каким около последней встрече, организованной московским руководством в полуподвальном баре для Унтер ден Линден, оно ему запомнилось
Напыщенным, постным, тоскливым Так и огулом ее лицевой фигура с этим уродливым фасоном платья с воротником стоечкой, каких в Европе давно уже не носят, оставлял желать лучшего и отдавал местечковостью Торчмя ходячая объявление — «секса в СССР — несть!»
А имечко же ей дали по легенде чтобы поездки в Германию! Люсьен! Nocomment! — наподобие говорят янки
Словно чувствуя настрой шефаravenclaw ru/], Хорст включил радио
Нашел музыку и тогда же в такт громкой тевтонской мелодии, смахивающей на марш, задергал мусорный шеей
— Выключи к черту частный Rammstein! — одернул его Штирлиц, — Ты же знаешь, что я люблю!
Посредством мгновение в салоне авто зазвучала напев Таривердиева, написанная около тот тяжкий чтобы Исаева «дружественный» эпизод Честный говоря, довольно набившая оскомину, однако — афоризм обязывало
— Что-то расчувствовался я! — подумал Исаев — Возьму, пожалуй, двоих! А может, ежели пороху хватит, и троих! Однако — наших! Токмо наших! В крайнем случае — украинок Из таких мелочей и складывается перевес! У каждой — для одного немца меньше будет Чем бес не шутит, — вдруг девчонкам потом зачтется? Вдругорядь же, оставлю визитки, скажут, — кастинг проходили Для радистку Кэт, ептыть!
— А чистый же …? — ехидно осведомился домашний голос
Изощренный в хитросплетениях мозг кадрового разведчика услужливо подсказал Штирлицу, — Ейей е****ь ту Люсю!
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11-20-2011, 03:48 AM #3995((( d(^_~)b )))
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Hi Everyone!
Back to bulking mode! It is a moderate bulk this time, could be considered a recomp I am eating about 1800-1900 cals for now (for past 2 weeks)
My last bulk lasted 6 weeks I started at 2100 cals and went up to 2300 cals (went from 127lbs to 130lbs)...I hope to last longer this round! After my last bulk I went into cutting mode, took up running (was averaging about 35-40 miles a week), kept weights but lost strength (due to the running mostly!)
Now I've cut down running to about 5-7 miles a week and kicked up my weight training. I am super excited!
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11-20-2011, 04:16 AM #3996Bulking
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I understand. However it can easily hurt your muscle building efforts. The endorphins are nice, but not worth it. Surely you have an interest or hobby outside of the gym.Originally Posted by NIKKIM13
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11-23-2011, 12:45 PM #3998Muscle Bound!
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http://www.muscleandstrength.com/art...#comment-49033
Found this article posted somewhere on these forums a while ago, just reading this now. Sounds interesting.....anybody have any thoughts on this method of bulking?
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11-23-2011, 05:41 PM #3999Registered User
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Sounds too good to be true...but if it is I'm doing it over Christmas.Originally Posted by ms_mac
So, if you gain 2 pounds of muscle on a 2 week bulk, but end up losing a couple pounds of that during the subsequent cut...have no fear.
So you gain it and then you lose it but 'muscle memory' makes it ok? Seems like a quick way to spin your wheels no?Goal: Peace, love & happiness...and arms that go bump in the night.
“It's never been true, not anywhere at any time, that the value of a soul, of a human spirit, is dependent on a number on a scale" G. Roth
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11-24-2011, 03:42 PM #4000Registered User
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i agree. i didn't look at the articles he referenced, but why does he even think you can gain 2 lbs of muscle in 2 weeks? how is that even possible? even if (if) he is right that the first two weeks are when muscle building it at its peak. and why does he say when you cut it'll be mostly fat. depends on numerous factors, none of which is a result of the cut being 2 weeks.Originally Posted by toodlepip
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11-24-2011, 07:16 PM #4001Fat Powerlift-ette
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I disagree with a lot in that article. For example, how he says that your body is not primed to put on fat, but rather muscle when going from cut to bulk. And eating 1k cals (or more!) over maintenance per day, LOL. No, when very lean and dieting for a while, hormones will probably put the majority of that surplus into fat rather than muscle. Just look at my fulk pics for proof.
And most experts say that you would not put appreciable muscle on until at least 6 weeks or so into a bulk.
However, the general gist of his article, that long bulk and cut cycles are not necessary or even preferred, does have some merit, I believe. I've been pondering how a slow recomp or slight bulk/cut mini cycles compare to the traditional "bulk till you can't take how fat you've gotten, then cut" approach. And one nugget I got while perusing Lyle McDonald's site again stuck with me. While he does generally advocate the longer bulk cycles, at one point he stated that you would still probably get the same end result over the time period of bulk/cut as with a recomp or very slight cal change approach (depending on your starting stats, of course). The problem is that most people want the more immediate noticeable changes of bulking/cutting and don't have the patience to see the longer approach out without mucking it up at some point.Gym PRs:
SQ: 360 x 1, BP: 165 x 1, DL: 330 x 2, OHP: 110 x 2
Best meet lifts (raw w/wraps):
SQ: 365, BP: 155, DL: 350, Elite total of 870 @165
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11-24-2011, 07:40 PM #4002Fat Powerlift-ette
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Oh, I haven't added my bulking status lately! Weight is quite up there, and while I do notice a fat layer, I think I have enough muscle gain going on that the fat isn't yucky fat...if that makes any sense. I don't get weird overhangs by my pants, bra, or undies, which I would have totally though would happen. I feel leaner than my "oh crap, I fulked" moment. Even though I am definitely bigger (totally busting out of my poor jeans that I can't find good replacements for
), it's not like I'm just flabbily bigger. Just that my proportions are larger - well, except I think my lats are proportionately larger as I'm having a heck of a time fitting into most womanly styles in any size with my upper back/shoulders. *sigh*
The only thing that is slightly annoying is the shape of my rear. Have some cellulite going on, but I am at peace with that, at least until the summer comes back and it would be seen in public. But I love the profile shape of my bum, it's definitely a squat booty now! Shape from the back isn't as hot, as I have some saddlebags going on, but it's probably more noticeable to me than others. However, even with the amounts of fat I've put on my butt, it's still much more defined than when I started out in Apr 2010 when I was 8 pounds lighter and a rear that just sorta faded into the back of my thighs. Ugh.
But since I'm "in season" with my PL stuff, aesthetics are really on the back burner any way. Lifts have been awesome and I have a meet coming up late January. I think it would be best to try to stay in the 148 class, as I doubt I would be able to put on much mass and strength to make a significant difference in the 165 class. So I will probably do a 2-3 week cut than maintain to say under 148 for now. Depending on how my Jan meet goes, we will see if I want to go hog wild on a major bulk for April then cut hard, or just maintain till the April meet then have to do less cutting for the summer.Gym PRs:
SQ: 360 x 1, BP: 165 x 1, DL: 330 x 2, OHP: 110 x 2
Best meet lifts (raw w/wraps):
SQ: 365, BP: 155, DL: 350, Elite total of 870 @165
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11-25-2011, 01:19 AM #4003Registered User
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Thanks for sharing. I’m wondering if I’m in the same situation.Originally Posted by andrerox80
I’m currently eating around 1700-1800 but not gaining or losing. I’m fine with it, my goal is a very slow bulk (gained 10lbs since last year) and since my lift are going up I’m quite happy to carry on. BUT I wear a bodybug and it says that I burn around 2200 a day (2400-2500 workout days) so I guess that I should lose at 1800. Do you have any idea if my body is just used to that amount and adapted?
I thought that the bodymedia takes that into account and gives me a 1800 number if my body adapted but I might be wrong here!
I see that you both have a bodybugg so did you notice any changes with numbers when you reached your true maintenance? Were the number lower when you underate?
Maybe I should go for it and not worry about fat gain but I’m not sure I’m mentally strong enough to handle it!
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11-25-2011, 06:55 AM #4004Bulking
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More than likely you're slowly losing body fat and gaining muscle thus no scale change. And yes, you have probably conditioned your body to need fewer cals. Which is not a good thing. Bump your cals by 250 a day and re-evaluate in 6 weeks.Originally Posted by Stroumphette
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11-25-2011, 12:58 PM #4005Muscle Bound!
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Originally Posted by toodlepip
Sounds too good to be true...but if it is I'm doing it over Christmas.
So, if you gain 2 pounds of muscle on a 2 week bulk, but end up losing a couple pounds of that during the subsequent cut...have no fear.
So you gain it and then you lose it but 'muscle memory' makes it ok? Seems like a quick way to spin your wheels no?Originally Posted by andrerox80
Thanks for the feedback ladies! It is interesting, though. Seems to me this is an extreme version of Layne Norton's bulk\cut cycle. I am thinking, though that it may just work, not because of the 2 week cycles but mainly because if you average the cals over the 4 week period, you are still just in a slight surpuls. Well for me anyway....I am bulking iw at 2500 cals, which is 300 surplus. If I follow this method of 14 days at 3200, then 14 days at 1700, that leaves me in a surplus of 250 overall. Could be something I may try over Xmas.Originally Posted by birdiefu
I disagree with a lot in that article. For example, how he says that your body is not primed to put on fat, but rather muscle when going from cut to bulk. And eating 1k cals (or more!) over maintenance per day, LOL. No, when very lean and dieting for a while, hormones will probably put the majority of that surplus into fat rather than muscle. Just look at my fulk pics for proof. And most experts say that you would not put appreciable muscle on until at least 6 weeks or so into a bulk.
However, the general gist of his article, that long bulk and cut cycles are not necessary or even preferred, does have some merit, I believe. I've been pondering how a slow recomp or slight bulk/cut mini cycles compare to the traditional "bulk till you can't take how fat you've gotten, then cut" approach. And one nugget I got while perusing Lyle McDonald's site again stuck with me. While he does generally advocate the longer bulk cycles, at one point he stated that you would still probably get the same end result over the time period of bulk/cut as with a recomp or very slight cal change approach (depending on your starting stats, of course). The problem is that most people want the more immediate noticeable changes of bulking/cutting and don't have the patience to see the longer approach out without mucking it up at some point. LOL!!!
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11-26-2011, 02:18 AM #4006Registered User
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Slowly losing fat and gaining muscle is fine for me, I'm not in a rush of anything and I'm happy with it.... Knowing that I should be able able to eat more with the same results is annoying though! I love eating and would be happy to have 2000 cal with the same resultsOriginally Posted by freebirdmac
I'll try to up the cals and see what it does but I have to admit that I'm scared of the result!
One question : why is the bodybugg not picking up that my body uses only 1800 if it's what it does? Since I'm not losing weight it seems that I don't burn the 2300 that my bodybugg calculates!
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11-26-2011, 02:33 AM #4007((( d(^_~)b )))
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I really doubt those devices (bodybugg,fitbit,etc...) can monitor your body's calorie burning efficiently...the body is too complex imo...I would just go by what the scale says
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11-26-2011, 05:25 AM #4008Fat Powerlift-ette
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The bodybugg/GoWear/BodyMedia is accurate to +/-10%. However, in those whose metabolism has been truly "damaged" by hormonal issues or long-term undereating associated with ED (you were eating like 800 cals/day for a while at one point? And are still quite underweight...), Leigh Peele has mentioned that it is not accurate in those cases until the metabolism is "fixed".Originally Posted by Stroumphette
Slowly losing fat and gaining muscle is fine for me, I'm not in a rush of anything and I'm happy with it.... Knowing that I should be able able to eat more with the same results is annoying though! I love eating and would be happy to have 2000 cal with the same results I'll try to up the cals and see what it does but I have to admit that I'm scared of the result!
One question : why is the bodybugg not picking up that my body uses only 1800 if it's what it does? Since I'm not losing weight it seems that I don't burn the 2300 that my bodybugg calculates!
However, for anecdotal evidence, when I was "plateaued" during my first cut eating at a lower deficit than needed (15-1600 when I was burning 2400), I also thought my GoWear jut could not be accurate. Once I upped my cals closer towards my actual maintenance (which was about 300 more than I thought it was), I actually un-plateaued and started losing some more when I upped my cals. I have come to see that my GoWear is highly accurate for me, I gain and lose just as my deficit/surplus is according to my tracked cals for over a year now. Though I have not done crazy deficits, but my last cut was much more successful than my first, and I ate a whole lot more.
I have also noticed that my burn rate average (over a month or more) can fluctuate if I am cutting or bulking - it increases a hundred or two when I bulk, probably due to more energy and NEAT.
If I were you, I would keep slowly upping your cals.Gym PRs:
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11-26-2011, 07:29 AM #4009Bulking
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At your current weight, gaining more should not be an issue. It is a very slow process to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. You'll be far better off gaining at the rate of 1/2 pound a week, maxing muscle gains, and worrying about leaning out later.Originally Posted by Stroumphette
Slowly losing fat and gaining muscle is fine for me, I'm not in a rush of anything and I'm happy with it.... Knowing that I should be able able to eat more with the same results is annoying though! I love eating and would be happy to have 2000 cal with the same results I'll try to up the cals and see what it does but I have to admit that I'm scared of the result!
One question : why is the bodybugg not picking up that my body uses only 1800 if it's what it does? Since I'm not losing weight it seems that I don't burn the 2300 that my bodybugg calculates!
Instead of wondering why the bodybugg isn't picking up your slowed metabolism you should be wondering why your metabolism doesn't match the bodybugg. Eating more is what will fix that. The longer you have been under eating the longer this will take. You may also experience bloating as you adjust to higher cals. It should be temporary, just a few weeks, so ignore it.
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11-26-2011, 07:51 AM #4010Unstoppable
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When I first bulked- I ate to match my gowear fit and gained as well after undereating for a long time. Since then I'm back down to what I was before, and now I can match my bodymedia and I'm not gaining anymore. Well, it hasn't been long enough to say that for sure (about 3.5 weeks), but my weight is a lot more stable this time around than it was the last time. It's only gone from 121- 123, but it's TOM time now, and my though weight has changed by 2 pounds, that's normal for me around this time. If that goes back down in the next few days I can positively say that my maintenance is now what my gowear tells me it is.Originally Posted by Stroumphette
Slowly losing fat and gaining muscle is fine for me, I'm not in a rush of anything and I'm happy with it.... Knowing that I should be able able to eat more with the same results is annoying though! I love eating and would be happy to have 2000 cal with the same results I'll try to up the cals and see what it does but I have to admit that I'm scared of the result!
One question : why is the bodybugg not picking up that my body uses only 1800 if it's what it does? Since I'm not losing weight it seems that I don't burn the 2300 that my bodybugg calculates!Team Cookies Give You Superpowers
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11-26-2011, 08:43 AM #4011Registered User
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Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a go and see what happens. Feeling bloated is probably going to be hard to deal with, I hate the feeling that everything is tighter around me (watch, rings and jeans feel too small and don't move like usual).
I guess I'm such a geek with the bodybugg that I want it to be perfect! I love to see if my sleeping number matches what I feel every day!
I never ate less that 1500 but 1700-1800 is probably low enough to slow down my metabolism... I guess that Xmas is a good time to give it a go with all the nice food around!
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11-26-2011, 03:49 PM #4012Registered User
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i just discontinued my gowear subscription. i wore it daily, for as many hrs as possible, but wasn't making use of it or taking advantage of it. i believe the caloric output it gave me (it's low), which, btw, increased as i ate more (even before i gained), but if i based on surplus on that number, i would have been losing. during the first go, it probably would have been right on. then i'd keep using it. i dunno what's different this time around. maybe my colon surgeries did something. my real maintenance (not what the gowear says my output is) is higher, i nevre, ever get bloated or full, etc. bodies are weird and complex. stroump, to minimize bloating, don't add too much fiber at once, maybe play w/ your macro's, meal timing and size, etc. things that don't affect physique but can affect feelings of satiety vs being uncomfortably full and bloated. also, i never slowly went up to maintenance. i just went straight there. was better for me psychologically, despite intial weight gain, but that's just me and i'm not saying it's in any way a better approach. i did the same thing when i figured out my bulking cals. perhaps unwise, but helped me.
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11-26-2011, 07:37 PM #4013Ready to BULK.
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I just started using a bbugg again and my maintenance has been SO high. But, I am very active..walking to and from classes daily + lifting + cardio sometimes + working on my feet for 3-6 hours about 3-4 times a week. I am still trying to avoid bloat and all of that water retention, but it is inevitable. :/ I haven't been eating this much for any more than 2 weeks, so maybe it will go away over time? Or maybe I should reduce my sodium? Do you gals watch sodium levels?
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regarding sodium, I dont really pay attention to it since I dont have any health issues like high blood pressure actually my blood pressure has always been on the low side!
bloating is inevitable though...there are just too many things that can cause it...I find that doing regular cardio helps get rid of that puffy feeling
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11-27-2011, 04:24 AM #4016Damn, it's good to be me!
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It can take up to several weeks. Monitor your fiber intake.....should be around 25 gm/day, but everyone has their "sweet" spot. I was unknowingly getting way too much during my bulk with my love for Kashi cereal and I was super bloated. Reducing the fiber helped, but I was still bloated the entire time I was bulking, 4 months, possibly from the sheer volume of food or maybe I needed to eliminate some foods from my diet. Never figured it out.Originally Posted by kitkatkate
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11-27-2011, 06:30 AM #4017Ready to BULK.
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Yeah, I have low blood pressure too, so i probably shouldn't worry either. I just make sure not to eat cottage cheese all day. LOL I do regular cardio usually, but this week/end I haven't been as active due to being home and the holidays. Maybe that's why I am feeling so crummy.Originally Posted by Romina81
Yeah, I get wayyyy more than 25 grams per day most of the time. :/ So, I probably need to watch that. Also trying to eat more calorie dense foods (like avocado, whole eggs, full fat cheese, etc.) to reduce volume but get enough cals.Originally Posted by thepowerwithin
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11-27-2011, 07:09 AM #4018Registered User
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I've posted in here before. But I've been struggling a lot lately! Since August I've gained about 11lbs. I was playing soccer and lifting until september, than i just played soccer and barely lifted( once a week maybe ). Than november i start lifting seriously again. So its been a couple of weeks.. Im just afraid the majority I gained was fat, and when it's time for me to cut, there will be no muscle. Also I feel like i look fatter too. I don't have enough posts to put a link or picture. But it would be much appreciated if I could be advised or reassured. Thanks!
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11-27-2011, 07:56 AM #4019Registered User
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if you're going to bulk, you must lift heavy to achieve optimal results. get back on the horse and youll be right where you were in no time.
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11-27-2011, 08:12 AM #4020Bulking
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So for two months you didn't lift much. Just keep going and don't sweat it. You may have lost some ground but life happens. It'll come off when you lean out.Originally Posted by BuildingMusclee
And most experts say that you would not put appreciable muscle on until at least 6 weeks or so into a bulk.
), it's not like I'm just flabbily bigger. Just that my proportions are larger - well, except I think my lats are proportionately larger as I'm having a heck of a time fitting into most womanly styles in any size with my upper back/shoulders. *sigh*
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