The Redemption of Un Miserable

[determined4000]

1st thing is 9:30?
Sounds like you are becoming a lazy college bum

but yeah, the only way to improve body comp when you are underweight is to increase mass
Have others commented on your progress (family, friends?)

[JValjean724]

1st thing is 9:30?
Sounds like you are becoming a lazy college bum

Lol, yep . I've decided to stay up to 11-11:30 this semester in order to be more social. For instance on Friday I went to a nearby university to visit some friends and didn't get back until 3:30....would never have been able to stay up that late on my old schedule.

[determined4000]

Did you grow an inch?

[JValjean724]

Did you grow an inch?

Yes strangely, 3/4 of an inch since last year. I thought I was done growing....

[Scooter4]

Dude 250-1200(Or maybe its 1150) Is the Range from low to high. 350 is extremely lowwwwwwwwwwwwww for your age. Id hate to say it but if it took that long to get it up to that level see a doctor who can help you get back in track. Your levels should be 600+. 350 is not in the normal range at all for your age.

Now if the scale of numbers you are using is like 10-500 then yeah Id say thats really good.

I know I am responding to this a little late, but 350 IS in the normal range. Is it low for his age? Yes. However, most doctors won't treat a test of 350. Aside from that, testosterone levels vary a ton from day to day depending on sleep schedules, diet, exercise, etc.

[ian0789]

I know I am responding to this a little late, but 350 IS in the normal range. Is it low for his age? Yes. However, most doctors won't treat a test of 350. Aside from that, testosterone levels vary a ton from day to day depending on sleep schedules, diet, exercise, etc.

Wahhha? You do know there is a scale of ranges for ages and he would be an old fart with levels that low. You should get your levels checked and then 350 is is the extremely low end and would place him in the area when he should be losing most T levels due to age. At 20's old thats not good duder. Not trying to intronet fight you but I think in this department I have done my research a tad bit more.

And the only Doc that wont treat you is one that is to afraid in using Med's on someone his age. But if he isnt reversing and needs to be on HRT then its dumb to tell him "O well you are to young but when you are in your mid 30's come back" Have no T to having normal levels for your age is night and day and I can tell you that from 1st hand XP.

[JValjean724]

I know I am responding to this a little late, but 350 IS in the normal range. Is it low for his age? Yes. However, most doctors won't treat a test of 350. Aside from that, testosterone levels vary a ton from day to day depending on sleep schedules, diet, exercise, etc.

I definitely feel a lot better so I was surprised that they came back low again as I was expecting higher. And that's really the important thing right? If I feel good and nothings affecting my health, than should I really get worked up about it?

Wahhha? You do know there is a scale of ranges for ages and he would be an old fart with levels that low. You should get your levels checked and then 350 is is the extremely low end and would place him in the area when he should be losing most T levels due to age. At 20's old thats not good duder. Not trying to intronet fight you but I think in this department I have done my research a tad bit more.

And the only Doc that wont treat you is one that is to afraid in using Med's on someone his age. But if he isnt reversing and needs to be on HRT then its dumb to tell him "O well you are to young but when you are in your mid 30's come back" Have no T to having normal levels for your age is night and day and I can tell you that from 1st hand XP.

If it's not necessary then I would prefer to avoid TRT if possible. I mean I'd love to have a higher testosterone count and see how I feel and how my body would react (I don't know if it's related but I still look very young for my age and still can't grow facial hair....I have a few girl friends who call me "baby face"), but having to be on treatment for the rest of my life is not something that I want to jump right into.

I wonder if it's possible my levels will continue to rise as I gain weight? I really need to see an endocrinologist and see someone who actually cares about this stuff as compared to my regular doctor.

[determined4000]

Honestly I dont think your current levels leave you w/ cause for concern
How goes it? School/life

[ian0789]

Endo is a waste of time IMO but might help if you are not looking to jump on TRT. Dude the fact that your body looks the way it is is 100% because of it. I found a picture on my self Pre TRT and at one of my lowest weights. I looked 100% like you did, I was 23 at the time and looked like a skinny little child.

All I am saying is just watch out man, sure you might not wanna jump on TRT but low Test can cause many of problems. Yes Test does make muscles big and lets you lift things up and put things down but at the same time it does 56650460 other things and it can lead to a shorter life span with out it or living with low levels.

Your goal should be to keep getting them up but the fact of the matter is there are some who just cant get there levels up naturally. O and btw HRT isnt as bad as most people make it sound. O well so I have to be on it for life. I feel a **** ton better and Id take a healthy life style over feeling like a old man but looking like a kid as an adult. Most of the crap people spew about HRT is from people who know nothing about it.

[JValjean724]

Honestly I dont think your current levels leave you w/ cause for concern
How goes it? School/life

It's all good in that respect. I'm pretty slammed with work but I enjoy all of it immensely so it never really feels like I'm overworking myself even though I now do homework even when I'm eating. Also, things are looking up on the possible research front as I've talked to a professor and he is having me read one of his papers to get a good intro into some of the terminology and stuff before we reconvene in a week or so.

On the other hand, I've also managed to be more social this semester, though through no real effort on my part, haha.

Endo is a waste of time IMO but might help if you are not looking to jump on TRT. Dude the fact that your body looks the way it is is 100% because of it. I found a picture on my self Pre TRT and at one of my lowest weights. I looked 100% like you did, I was 23 at the time and looked like a skinny little child.

All I am saying is just watch out man, sure you might not wanna jump on TRT but low Test can cause many of problems. Yes Test does make muscles big and lets you lift things up and put things down but at the same time it does 56650460 other things and it can lead to a shorter life span with out it or living with low levels.

Your goal should be to keep getting them up but the fact of the matter is there are some who just cant get there levels up naturally. O and btw HRT isnt as bad as most people make it sound. O well so I have to be on it for life. I feel a **** ton better and Id take a healthy life style over feeling like a old man but looking like a kid as an adult. Most of the crap people spew about HRT is from people who know nothing about it.

Who should I see if not an endo? I thought they were the specialists for this. And I understand what you are saying completely....if it helps me live a better life than I won't care at all that I have to keep going for for shots.

Would you mind posting the picture up that you mentioned? I'd like to see a before and after of someone on the treatment

[determined4000]

you look and feel better because of fooooooooooddddd

[Scooter4]

Wahhha? You do know there is a scale of ranges for ages and he would be an old fart with levels that low. You should get your levels checked and then 350 is is the extremely low end and would place him in the area when he should be losing most T levels due to age. At 20's old thats not good duder. Not trying to intronet fight you but I think in this department I have done my research a tad bit more.

And the only Doc that wont treat you is one that is to afraid in using Med's on someone his age. But if he isnt reversing and needs to be on HRT then its dumb to tell him "O well you are to young but when you are in your mid 30's come back" Have no T to having normal levels for your age is night and day and I can tell you that from 1st hand XP.

I don't look at this as an e-fight, I look at this as a two bros sharing their opinions.

I HAVE had my test levels checked and DO know a thing or two about test levels. Your levels were under 100, his levels are 350... HUGE difference. And the fact that testosterone levels vary all the time (I'm sure you know this too) makes it hard to just automatically assume that 350 gives reason to panic. If he were to get tested multiple times and was consistently below the normal range, then maybe I could see doing something about it (TRT, etc). However, right now, he is still in the process of actually getting his body weight back up and eating enough (he should be eating more in my opinion ). Yes I think it's important for him to keep tabs on it over the next year, but I really don't see any reason freak out about it at this point.

Just my two cents. <3

[Scooter4]

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