Fast digesting carbs after workout...

[Starkk]

Yah cause all of you guys are double majoring in nutrition and health and exercise science.

My nutrition professor has been a Dr. and teaching this **** for over 30 years. but you *******s know more. okay.

Edit:

Please tell me what was wrong about what I said. I'd bet money you never even knew what the hell Lactose was made of. Did you even know that galactose was a carb? Or there is more than one type of fiber?

Fiber and fat keep carbohydrates from spiking blood sugar. Sugar is not present in the bloodstream unless it it glucose (dextrose/dextrin as it is also know as, that's why when people are given an IV drip it's w/ dextrose aka glucose b/c any other form of carbohydrate in the bloodstream will cause a clot and KILL YOU).

Come at me bros.

i thought he was that guy that eats planets?

[dsade]

i thought he was that guy that eats planets?

With that costume, I bet he eats a lot of other spherical shaped objects.

[HouseBro]

Funny...all the nutritionists I know are still recommending 50 grams of protein a day max, a diet low in fat, and massive amounts of grain/carbs....and they look like ****, too.

Where we are at right now we haven't started on proteins yet. I'm looking forward to/worried about that part b/c I have a feeling I'm going to be strongly disagreeing with him come that time. You read my mind pretty much so I see what you are saying. That does not change the actual SCIENCE and chemical composition of this all. Fruits and Dairies are low glycemic and best (actually amazing) for pre workout. They are not ideal (but still okay) post workout.

[dsade]

Where we are at right now we haven't started on proteins yet. I'm looking forward to/worried about that part b/c I have a feeling I'm going to be strongly disagreeing with him come that time. You read my mind pretty much so I see what you are saying. That does not change the actual SCIENCE and chemical composition of this all. Fruits and Dairies are low glycemic and best (actually amazing) for pre workout. They are not ideal (but still okay) post workout.

I think, though, more to the point - unless you are doing a depletion workout, or piling in 45-an hour of HIIT, then glycogen is not going to be depleted to any significant amount. Worrying too much about a giant insulin spike is superfluous compared to a soft increase with plenty of protein.

[GatorRon24]

Where we are at right now we haven't started on proteins yet. I'm looking forward to/worried about that part b/c I have a feeling I'm going to be strongly disagreeing with him come that time. You read my mind pretty much so I see what you are saying. That does not change the actual SCIENCE and chemical composition of this all. Fruits and Dairies are low glycemic and best (actually amazing) for pre workout. They are not ideal (but still okay) post workout.

So you think after a workout you need to replenish glycogen stores? You do know that the majority of people in a gym to not tap into glycogen stores for their low intensity, long, boring workouts. Tri-athletes... they needs carbs after training. Average wanna be bodybuilder? No.

[HouseBro]

Never once did I say anything about replenishing or depleting glycogen stores. I was merely demonstrating how to MOST EFFECTIVELY spike blood sugar levels post workout and how not to do it. Nothing more nothing less. You can and people have with success do what other people said for your post workout carbs - eat fruit, use milk, add oats. I

was just explaining the details and misconceptions people have. A bowl of cornflakes spikes your blood sugar much higher, and more effectively than a chocolate bar does. That's because a chocolate bar is made up of dairy lactose = galactose + glucose, and sucrose = glucose + fructose and LOTS of fat aka everything that makes low glycemic food low glycemic. Not to mention if it's made w/ high fructose corn syrup instead of table sugar it's even more low glycemic b/c sucrose is at least half glucose so it doesn't take as long to convert where as HFC syrup is frutose.

[Streetballer82]

its not fundamental to do insulin spike i agree with that, but it might be better to feed muscles dont ? (im not talkin about glycogen, but actually bout feedin muscles)

i understand everybody has different opinion, cause we have plenty studies on everythin and every says different things, thats really annoyin

[dsade]

Where we are at right now we haven't started on proteins yet. I'm looking forward to/worried about that part b/c I have a feeling I'm going to be strongly disagreeing with him come that time. You read my mind pretty much so I see what you are saying. That does not change the actual SCIENCE and chemical composition of this all. Fruits and Dairies are low glycemic and best (actually amazing) for pre workout. They are not ideal (but still okay) post workout.

Never once did I say anything about replenishing or depleting glycogen stores. I was merely demonstrating how to MOST EFFECTIVELY spike blood sugar levels post workout and how not to do it. Nothing more nothing less. You can and people have with success do what other people said for your post workout carbs - eat fruit, use milk, add oats. I

was just explaining the details and misconceptions people have. A bowl of cornflakes spikes your blood sugar much higher, and more effectively than a chocolate bar does. That's because a chocolate bar is made up of dairy lactose = galactose + glucose, and sucrose = glucose + fructose and LOTS of fat aka everything that makes low glycemic food low glycemic. Not to mention if it's made w/ high fructose corn syrup instead of table sugar it's even more low glycemic b/c sucrose is at least half glucose so it doesn't take as long to convert where as HFC syrup is frutose.

The OP's question (hence the thread) was about the wisdom and necessity of that carb spike, especially since he's looking to minimize fat gain on a bulk.

[HouseBro]

I realize that and the only reason I got into all this is cause he wants "Fast Digestion" (which really means quickest absorption) and the ways people where telling him to get those carbs - milk in the shake, have a banana, add oats - prevent him from getting his "fast" digesting carbs. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. just trying to help out.

[XxCashMoneyxX]

I like a nice jelly sandwich after a workout. 2 pieces of white bread with a tablespoon or 2 of jelly. I eat it along with a protein shake consisting of 1 scoop whey, 1 scoop casein. I also add creatine and beta alanine to the shake. Tasty!

^^^^ highly recommended in many fitness magazines...the white bread and jelly are great sources of simple fast absorbing carbs

[HouseBro]

^^^^ highly recommended in many fitness magazines...the white bread and jelly are great sources of simple fast absorbing carbs

That's pretty perfect actually. The only way someone could and some do screw this up (referring to spiking levels) is using wheat or adding fat aka peanut butter. Now if you are on a bulk and you just need to get in as much calories as possible adding PB will throw in some healthy fats, extra carbs, some protein, and a ton of tasty calories.

[XxCashMoneyxX]

Funny...all the nutritionists I know are still recommending 50 grams of protein a day max, a diet low in fat, and massive amounts of grain/carbs....and they look like ****, too.

haha so true...i had the nutrionist at ohio state athletics set up a diet for me based on the goals i told her....looked like something my little sister could draw up

[XxCashMoneyxX]

That's pretty perfect actually. The only way someone could and some do screw this up (referring to spiking levels) is using wheat or adding fat aka peanut butter. Now if you are on a bulk and you just need to get in as much calories as possible adding PB will throw in some healthy fats, extra carbs, some protein, and a ton of tasty calories.

yea for some reason when i take in tons of simple carbs after a workout by night time by pump and vascularity is unreal....can someone or you please explain this to me...sometmies i go through the day eating complex carbs then have my practice lift or whatever and by the time i go to bed my midsection and arms look like the nile river system haha

[HouseBro]

yea for some reason when i take in tons of simple carbs after a workout by night time by pump and vascularity is unreal....can someone or you please explain this to me...sometmies i go through the day eating complex carbs then have my practice lift or whatever and by the time i go to bed my midsection and arms look like the nile river system haha

I don't know the specifics of it but pros and dudes that wanna look swole at the beach do it. Basically what you are doing is carb loading (which is usually prefaced by carb depletion) so your muscles get super swole and all that **** you described. There are some articles on this site I think.

[XxCashMoneyxX]

I don't know the specifics of it but pros and dudes that wanna look swole at the beach do it. Basically what you are doing is carb loading (which is usually prefaced by carb depletion) so your muscles get super swole and all that **** you described. There are some articles on this site I think.

makes sense...i am probably depleted by the time i get home...two hours of soccer practice plus lifting on top 4x a week...plus sometimes i dont eat enough throughout the day..

[shadar]

Never once did I say anything about replenishing or depleting glycogen stores. I was merely demonstrating how to MOST EFFECTIVELY spike blood sugar levels post workout and how not to do it. Nothing more nothing less. You can and people have with success do what other people said for your post workout carbs - eat fruit, use milk, add oats. I

was just explaining the details and misconceptions people have. A bowl of cornflakes spikes your blood sugar much higher, and more effectively than a chocolate bar does. That's because a chocolate bar is made up of dairy lactose = galactose + glucose, and sucrose = glucose + fructose and LOTS of fat aka everything that makes low glycemic food low glycemic.Not to mention if it's made w/ high fructose corn syrup instead of table sugar it's even more low glycemic b/c sucrose is at least half glucose so it doesn't take as long to convert where as HFC syrup is frutose.

ORLY? I think you don't understand the things you're talking about and should go back to class and take your professor with you if he's where you're getting all this misinformation from.

[dsade]

ORLY? I think you don't understand the things you're talking about and should go back to class and take your professor with you if he's where you're getting all this misinformation from.

You mean chocolate bars AREN'T low glycemic?

[shadar]

You mean chocolate bars AREN'T low glycemic?

He seems to think HFCS is made up entirely of fructose when in fact it's almost always 55%/45%, very similar to table sugar.

When he's flat out wrong on easily provable things it's not even worth getting into a debate with him about the rest of his post.

[HouseBro]

Very similar isn't exact. And what's flat out wrong about the composition? If there is a difference (WHICH THERE IS) then it changes things. It could lower it's GI index a few points. once again you have provided no counter argument except for being a douche therefore you are a retarded *******. good day sir.

LOL: also nice wiki'ing brah, you forgot to mention the part where there are other compositions of HFCS. LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRAD! English mutha fuka - do you speak it?

[shadar]

Very similar isn't exact. And what's flat out wrong about the composition? If there is a difference (WHICH THERE IS) then it changes things. It could lower it's GI index a few points. once again you have provided no counter argument except for being a douche therefore you are a retarded *******. good day sir.

LOL: also nice wiki'ing brah, you forgot to mention the part where there are other compositions of HFCS. LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRAD! English mutha fuka - do you speak it?

Did you say you were in college or elementary school?

Face it, HFCS is not just fructose... it is 55/45 in almost all cases except a few specific uses where entirely fructose is needed.

Table sugar is 50/50.

HUGE difference there! My god man... imagine the difference it will make.... *facepalm*

[HouseBro]

Once again, beautiful use of wiki. And may I point out
Stats: 5'10"
160 lbs

LOLOL skinny *******. Bet you can't even squat 135 and you've never deadlifted in your life.

[shadar]

Once again, beautiful use of wiki. And may I point out
Stats: 5'10"
160 lbs

LOLOL skinny *******. Bet you can't even squat 135 and you've never deadlifted in your life.

Amusingly enough I can likely out squat and out deadlift you, my legs have always been abnormally strong compared to my upper body. But it doesn't really matter to me if I can or not. And no, I'm not going to tell you my latest squat or deadlift numbers as it has no bearing on the topic at hand.

I find it far more amusing that you have resorted to personal insults about my size and strength now that I've pointed out you clearly don't understand the topics you're trying to discuss.

[HouseBro]

I have reverted to ad hominem because A.) this is the misc and B.) you have refused to provide a substantial counter argument with the exception of an incomplete wiki post that you still will not acknowledge.

My squat is 415 for a double to competition depth:


and my deadlift is a conventional 465 that looks like a speed pull:


I await video proof of these "abnormally strong" legs Mr. *******. Until then, Come at me bro, and good day

[shadar]

As I've said, I have no intention of posting my numbers nor do I care if you believe my legs are strong. For all I care you can believe I have twigs if that gets you going more.

You can out squat and out deadlift me. I'm quite pleased with where I am though, which is why I have to laugh at your personal insults.

This isn't the misc, as much as you seem to think it is. And I haven't bothered replying to your posts very much because you're not going to listen to logic anyhow. You are certain you are correct. I'm just pointing out that you don't even know what HFCS is... so your other views are rather comical in that light.

[rhizome]

As I've said, I have no intention of posting my numbers nor do I care if you believe my legs are strong. For all I care you can believe I have twigs if that gets you going more.

You can out squat and out deadlift me. I'm quite pleased with where I am though, which is why I have to laugh at your personal insults.

This isn't the misc, as much as you seem to think it is. And I haven't bothered replying to your posts very much because you're not going to listen to logic anyhow. You are certain you are correct. I'm just pointing out that you don't even know what HFCS is... so your other views are rather comical in that light.

The sign of a moron - getting "lost" in an internet forum.

[HouseBro]

The sign of a moron - getting "lost" in an internet forum.

miscin' and dyin' in the bb.com
why u mad though? come at me *******.

[CTpump]

Whoa strong mad in this thread.

Seems 2 e-thugs duking it out makes for mad lulz

[robertmm94]

Once again, beautiful use of wiki. And may I point out
Stats: 5'10"
160 lbs

LOLOL skinny *******. Bet you can't even squat 135 and you've never deadlifted in your life.

Even if you lift more then him. Not one person on this forum or this site is going to respect you, even close to the vast amount of respect people have for shadar. Not only that, I can garentee he knows 10 times more information about nutrition and lifting then you will prob. ever know. AND he isnt acting like a 10 year old in a petty argument, EVEN when he would outsmart you on anything related to bodybuilding.

[righteousreason]

Biggest misconception in bodybuilding nutrition is fast vs slow digesting bull****. What really matters is the TYPE of carbohydrate and what will mimic glucose the most. ALL carbs are broken down/converted to glucose in the bloodstream. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED BLOOD-GLUCOSE SUGAR.

Now, what you want to eat after a workout is high glycemic foods - or - foods that most closely mirror the effect eating pure glucose would have on spiking your blood-sugar levels. What would that be you ask? Well it'd be a HIGH starch, LOW fiber, LOW fat food. Starch is simply a glucose polymer, it's just glucose bonded to glucose bonded to glucose, etc etc. so it dissimilates into pure glucose immediately. Things like dairy products are glucose binded to galactose - therefore when it is broken down you are left with things other than glucose so your blood sugar is not as dramatically spiked (even less so if you're drinking high fat milk/dairy products). Sucrose is glucose binded to fructose so same effects as dairy. Obviously fruit is fructose and fiber so instead of fat slowing everything down you have the fiber messing you up (Remember low fat, low fiber, HIGH starch). Dextrose is good (glu-glu-glu) but it's usually just something added to sports bars/drinks. If you want some actual food to eat along w/ your shake a great High glycemic option would be corn flakes or rice crispy cereal.

Be careful what you read from online nutrition "experts". Most of them have just read rando articles or just repeat stuff they've heard without actually knowing what they're talking about.

Edit: Reps to righteousreason

So you know now why not to eat dairy products or fruit for post. Reason why oatmeal is bad because it is high in fiber, specifically the soluble fiber in the "gums" category. SO NO OATMEAL, FRUIT, AND DAIRY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE AT SPIKING YOUR BLOOD SUGAR POST WORKOUT.

I'd suggest an immediate post workout shake w/ either dextrose or waxy maize starch added to it (or just a bowl of cornflakes on the side) and then about a half hour to an hour after that have an actual post workout meal of w/e that broscience told you.

thx house bro too lazy to explain myself

shadar's neg massively outweighed your rep tho. that *******!

[righteousreason]

Dietary supplements affect the anabolic hormones after weight-training exercise

R. M. Chandler, H. K. Byrne, J. G. Patterson and J. L. Ivy
Department of Kinesiology, University of Texas at Austin 78712.

To examine the effect of carbohydrate and/or protein supplements on the hormonal state of the body after weight-training exercise, nine experienced male weight lifters were given water (Control) or an isocaloric carbohydrate (CHO; 1.5 g/kg body wt), protein (PRO; 1.38 g/kg body wt), or carbohydrate-protein (CHO/PRO; 1.06 g carbohydrate/kg body wt and 0.41 g protein/kg) supplement immediately and 2 h after a standardized weight-training workout. Venous blood samples were drawn before and immediately after exercise and during 8 h of recovery. Exercise induced elevations in lactate, glucose, testosterone, and growth hormone. CHO and CHO/PRO stimulated higher insulin concentrations than PRO and Control. CHO/PRO led to an increase in growth hormone 6 h postexercise that was greater than PRO and Control. Supplements had no effect on insulin-like growth factor I but caused a significant decline in testosterone. The decline in testosterone, however, was not associated with a decline in luteinizing hormone, suggesting an increased clearance of testosterone after supplementation. The results suggest that nutritive supplements after weight-training exercise can produce a hormonal environment during recovery that may be favorable to muscle growth by stimulating insulin and growth hormone elevations.