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    Fast digesting carbs after workout...

    Going to be stacking size on and super pump together before and during workout. after getting done with my protien shake should i still ingest 50 - 100g of fast digesting carbs with the shake? i'm bout 6'4" 210 lbs im looking to gain as much lean muscle as i can while still shedding some body fat in the precess, im at about 12-13%
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    Fast digesting carbs and slower digesting carbs wouldnt really make a difference. I mix a banana with oats postworkout but if youre talking dextrose or something it's not as good imo. Dextrose doesnt have any antioxidants or micronutrients that whole foods have. But if you want a fast digesting carb go for fruit in my opinion
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    so you would go with a piece of fruit? how many carbs does a banana have in it? maybe my information is out dated or im just not looking at the right stuff but after a workout with your protien should you be consuming those amount of carbs? and should it be fast or slow? or both? any help i appreciate it
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    I just add skim milk to my PWO shake, sugars in there for spike, as well as casein protein for slower digestion.. and no fat to slow digestion
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    Originally Posted by thegreatone816 View Post
    so you would go with a piece of fruit? how many carbs does a banana have in it? maybe my information is out dated or im just not looking at the right stuff but after a workout with your protien should you be consuming those amount of carbs? and should it be fast or slow? or both? any help i appreciate it
    I think it depends on your training and what you had for a pre-workout meal.

    I lift fasted on some days so I'll have a mix of fast/slow digesting carbs, but on normal days when I've had a good pre-workout meal with protein + carbs there's no need for fast carbs post-workout (if I'm not training to exhaustion)

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    fructose is not high enough on the glycemic index to create the much coveted, yet altogether unnecessary "insulin spike"
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    sp the insulin spike after a workout really isnt all the neccessary from what you say? what a good pre and post workout meal? for a lean muscle and cutting goal. i normally take a superpump serving and 20 g of protien before workout and then 40 g afterwArds
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    Originally Posted by Starkk View Post
    fructose is not high enough on the glycemic index to create the much coveted, yet altogether unnecessary "insulin spike"
    fructose cant do insulin spike (not cause of low GI), but its good to refill liver glycogen
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    oh yeah? so what do you guys recommend then? ive been using my method for a while now and its been fairly good, but i know it can be better. always striving for more
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    I like a nice jelly sandwich after a workout. 2 pieces of white bread with a tablespoon or 2 of jelly. I eat it along with a protein shake consisting of 1 scoop whey, 1 scoop casein. I also add creatine and beta alanine to the shake. Tasty!
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    you know what i used to do that aswell for bout a month straight if that would do it or a 32oz gatorade i use to take. friend of mine at the gym suggested that
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    Originally Posted by thegreatone816 View Post
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    Banana has bout 50g of carbs and 200 calories. My post workout shake looks like this..16oz fat free milk, 1/4 cup pb, 1 banana, scoop of creatine, and scoop of whey.
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    2 banana = win
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    i put dextrose in my post workout shake
    Repping will be appreciated...
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    Originally Posted by Streetballer82 View Post
    fructose cant do insulin spike (not cause of low GI), but its good to refill liver glycogen
    i always marvel at people thinking their glycogen stores need replenishing after their 1.5 hour workout.

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    i just haz me some rice cakes. and 40 gs of proteinz
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    Originally Posted by Starkk View Post
    i always marvel at people thinking their glycogen stores need replenishing after their 1.5 hour workout.

    dude u dont even know, hows fructose metabolized in the body, are you broscience teacher ?
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    Originally Posted by Greek_Elite View Post
    I just add skim milk to my PWO shake, sugars in there for spike, as well as casein protein for slower digestion.. and no fat to slow digestion
    This is what I do as well but I use organic chocolate milk - because it tastes better and also has a little higher sugar content to replenish carbs.
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    these people are morons. use a dextrose/maltodextrin combo. it's the only thing that makes sense.
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    1/4 cup of this in your post workout shake

    and or eat a handfull of these
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    these people are morons. use a dextrose/maltodextrin combo. it's the only thing that makes sense.
    if you're going to call people morons, the least you can do is expand on your hypothesis
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    Biggest misconception in bodybuilding nutrition is fast vs slow digesting bull****. What really matters is the TYPE of carbohydrate and what will mimic glucose the most. ALL carbs are broken down/converted to glucose in the bloodstream. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED BLOOD-GLUCOSE SUGAR.

    Now, what you want to eat after a workout is high glycemic foods - or - foods that most closely mirror the effect eating pure glucose would have on spiking your blood-sugar levels. What would that be you ask? Well it'd be a HIGH starch, LOW fiber, LOW fat food. Starch is simply a glucose polymer, it's just glucose bonded to glucose bonded to glucose, etc etc. so it dissimilates into pure glucose immediately. Things like dairy products are glucose binded to galactose - therefore when it is broken down you are left with things other than glucose so your blood sugar is not as dramatically spiked (even less so if you're drinking high fat milk/dairy products). Sucrose is glucose binded to fructose so same effects as dairy. Obviously fruit is fructose and fiber so instead of fat slowing everything down you have the fiber messing you up (Remember low fat, low fiber, HIGH starch). Dextrose is good (glu-glu-glu) but it's usually just something added to sports bars/drinks. If you want some actual food to eat along w/ your shake a great High glycemic option would be corn flakes or rice crispy cereal.

    Be careful what you read from online nutrition "experts". Most of them have just read rando articles or just repeat stuff they've heard without actually knowing what they're talking about.

    Edit: Reps to righteousreason

    So you know now why not to eat dairy products or fruit for post. Reason why oatmeal is bad because it is high in fiber, specifically the soluble fiber in the "gums" category. SO NO OATMEAL, FRUIT, AND DAIRY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE AT SPIKING YOUR BLOOD SUGAR POST WORKOUT.

    I'd suggest an immediate post workout shake w/ either dextrose or waxy maize starch added to it (or just a bowl of cornflakes on the side) and then about a half hour to an hour after that have an actual post workout meal of w/e that broscience told you.
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    Originally Posted by HouseBro View Post
    Biggest misconception in bodybuilding nutrition is fast vs slow digesting bull****. What really matters is the TYPE of carbohydrate and what will mimic glucose the most. ALL carbs are broken down/converted to glucose in the bloodstream. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED BLOOD-GLUCOSE SUGAR.

    Now, what you want to eat after a workout is high glycemic foods - or - foods that most closely mirror the effect eating pure glucose would have on spiking your blood-sugar levels. What would that be you ask? Well it'd be a HIGH starch, LOW fiber, LOW fat food. Starch is simply a glucose polymer, it's just glucose bonded to glucose bonded to glucose, etc etc. so it dissimilates into pure glucose immediately. Things like dairy products are glucose binded to galactose - therefore when it is broken down you are left with things other than glucose so your blood sugar is not as dramatically spiked (even less so if you're drinking high fat milk/dairy products). Sucrose is glucose binded to fructose so same effects as dairy. Obviously fruit is fructose and fiber so instead of fat slowing everything down you have the fiber messing you up (Remember low fat, low fiber, HIGH starch). Dextrose is good (glu-glu-glu) but it's usually just something added to sports bars/drinks. If you want some actual food to eat along w/ your shake a great High glycemic option would be corn flakes or rice crispy cereal.

    Be careful what you read from online nutrition "experts". Most of them have just read rando articles or just repeat stuff they've heard without actually knowing what they're talking about.

    Edit: Reps to righteousreason

    So you know now why not to eat dairy products or fruit for post. Reason why oatmeal is bad because it is high in fiber, specifically the soluble fiber in the "gums" category. SO NO OATMEAL, FRUIT, AND DAIRY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE AT SPIKING YOUR BLOOD SUGAR POST WORKOUT.

    I'd suggest an immediate post workout shake w/ either dextrose or waxy maize starch added to it (or just a bowl of cornflakes on the side) and then about a half hour to an hour after that have an actual post workout meal of w/e that broscience told you.
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    Originally Posted by HouseBro View Post
    Biggest misconception in bodybuilding nutrition is fast vs slow digesting bull****. What really matters is the TYPE of carbohydrate and what will mimic glucose the most. ALL carbs are broken down/converted to glucose in the bloodstream. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED BLOOD-GLUCOSE SUGAR.

    Now, what you want to eat after a workout is high glycemic foods - or - foods that most closely mirror the effect eating pure glucose would have on spiking your blood-sugar levels. What would that be you ask? Well it'd be a HIGH starch, LOW fiber, LOW fat food. Starch is simply a glucose polymer, it's just glucose bonded to glucose bonded to glucose, etc etc. so it dissimilates into pure glucose immediately. Things like dairy products are glucose binded to galactose - therefore when it is broken down you are left with things other than glucose so your blood sugar is not as dramatically spiked (even less so if you're drinking high fat milk/dairy products). Sucrose is glucose binded to fructose so same effects as dairy. Obviously fruit is fructose and fiber so instead of fat slowing everything down you have the fiber messing you up (Remember low fat, low fiber, HIGH starch). Dextrose is good (glu-glu-glu) but it's usually just something added to sports bars/drinks. If you want some actual food to eat along w/ your shake a great High glycemic option would be corn flakes or rice crispy cereal.

    Be careful what you read from online nutrition "experts". Most of them have just read rando articles or just repeat stuff they've heard without actually knowing what they're talking about.

    Edit: Reps to righteousreason

    So you know now why not to eat dairy products or fruit for post. Reason why oatmeal is bad because it is high in fiber, specifically the soluble fiber in the "gums" category. SO NO OATMEAL, FRUIT, AND DAIRY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE AT SPIKING YOUR BLOOD SUGAR POST WORKOUT.

    I'd suggest an immediate post workout shake w/ either dextrose or waxy maize starch added to it (or just a bowl of cornflakes on the side) and then about a half hour to an hour after that have an actual post workout meal of w/e that broscience told you.


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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Posts like this are why we are allowed to neg
    Yah cause all of you guys are double majoring in nutrition and health and exercise science.

    My nutrition professor has been a Dr. and teaching this **** for over 30 years. but you phaggots know more. okay.

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    Please tell me what was wrong about what I said. I'd bet money you never even knew what the hell Lactose was made of. Did you even know that galactose was a carb? Or there is more than one type of fiber?

    Fiber and fat keep carbohydrates from spiking blood sugar. Sugar is not present in the bloodstream unless it it glucose (dextrose/dextrin as it is also know as, that's why when people are given an IV drip it's w/ dextrose aka glucose b/c any other form of carbohydrate in the bloodstream will cause a clot and KILL YOU).

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    Originally Posted by HouseBro View Post
    Yah cause all of you guys are double majoring in nutrition and health and exercise science.

    My nutrition professor has been a Dr. and teaching this **** for over 30 years. but you phaggots know more. okay.

    Edit:

    Please tell me what was wrong about what I said. I'd bet money you never even knew what the hell Lactose was made of. Did you even know that galactose was a carb? Or there is more than one type of fiber?

    Fiber and fat keep carbohydrates from spiking blood sugar. Sugar is not present in the bloodstream unless it it glucose (dextrose/dextrin as it is also know as, that's why when people are given an IV drip it's w/ dextrose aka glucose b/c any other form of carbohydrate in the bloodstream will cause a clot and KILL YOU).

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