not taking bodybuilding to seriously ?

[mark832]

is it possible to make gains while not taking the dieting part of bodybuilding. ( still be big - not huge and better than the avergage person) but just focusing on getting alot of protien and not really worring about what you eat , except that its reasonabily healthy.

Because im joining the gym next week and i think the dieting part will take of my life ( i know it will) .

Please help??

[MrB1g]

is it possible to make gains while not taking the dieting part of bodybuilding. ( still be big - not huge and better than the avergage person) but just focusing on getting alot of protien and not really worring about what you eat , except that its reasonabily healthy.

Because im joining the gym next week and i think the dieting part will take of my life ( i know it will) .

Please help??

A calorie, is a calorie.

Stop worrying about the food source and eat.

[Dutchie21]

is it possible to make gains while not taking the dieting part of bodybuilding. ( still be big - not huge and better than the avergage person) but just focusing on getting alot of protien and not really worring about what you eat , except that its reasonabily healthy.

Because im joining the gym next week and i think the dieting part will take of my life ( i know it will) .

Please help??

Yes it's possible, especialy in the beginning, if you lift right, you will gain muscle anyway.
However, the problem in just eating whatever you want , but getting enough protein, will most likely mean you also get fat next to getting more muscle. But I didn't start dieting right away either when I first joined a gym , so don't worry about it. Maybe in half a year you will look at things differently and you will have the motivation to start a serious diet.

[FLChamp]

Make sure that you train and eat. Don't waste time mentally draining yourself worrying about stuff that is almost completely irrelevant at the tender age of fifteen.

[MrB1g]

Yes it's possible, especialy in the beginning, if you lift right, you will gain muscle anyway.
However, the problem in just eating whatever you want , but getting enough protein, will most likely mean you also get fat next to getting more muscle. But I didn't start dieting right away either when I first joined a gym , so don't worry about it. Maybe in half a year you will look at things differently and you will have the motivation to start a serious diet.

Your posts are crap. Please go.

[tjcliner]

is it possible to make gains while not taking the dieting part of bodybuilding. ( still be big - not huge and better than the avergage person) but just focusing on getting alot of protien and not really worring about what you eat , except that its reasonabily healthy.

Because im joining the gym next week and i think the dieting part will take of my life ( i know it will) .

Please help??

most likely. The average person is usually pretty pathetic tho idk if u want to settle for the 50-51% physique. Just dont make bad decisions and you should be alright.

[Dutchie21]

Your posts are crap. Please go.

Please enlighten me why you think my posts are crap, so I can respond.

[MrB1g]

Please enlighten me why you think my posts are crap, so I can respond.

Food source is irrelevant. A calorie is a calorie.

[Fitnessguy24]

You can make really good gains. But a lot of it depends on your genetics and ability to gain muscle.

[Dutchie21]

Food source is irrelevant. A calorie is a calorie.

Probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard someone say on this forum.
You are completely ignoring the bio-availability of different sources of food, the difference between complex and simple carbs, the difference in amino acid profiles in proteins etc.
If what you say was true, any bodybuilder could just eat 4 buckets of kfc a day and be done, obviously this isn't the case.
Just becaus you are to uneducated about nutrition you shouldn't go out calling other peoples posts crap, and pretty childish of you that you gave me negative rep, only displays your own stupidity.

[Ka0s]

Probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard someone say on this forum.
You are completely ignoring the bio-availability of different sources of food, the difference between complex and simple carbs, the difference in amino acid profiles in proteins etc.
If what you say was true, any bodybuilder could just eat 4 buckets of kfc a day and be done, obviously this isn't the case.
Just becaus you are to uneducated about nutrition you shouldn't go out calling other peoples posts crap, and pretty childish of you that you gave me negative rep, only displays your own stupidity.

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[CRyan64]

I think that if you don't make a meal plan and at least try to follow it as best you can you're not gonna be making optimal gains. I say this because if you don't know how many cals/carbs/protein/fat you are taking in then you'll probably be eating below a necessary level to get good gains.

[TheRighteous]

is it possible to make gains while not taking the dieting part of bodybuilding. ( still be big - not huge and better than the avergage person) but just focusing on getting alot of protien and not really worring about what you eat , except that its reasonabily healthy.

Because im joining the gym next week and i think the dieting part will take of my life ( i know it will) .

Please help??

It's good for powerlifting, not so much bodybuilding.

[jamie93]

Probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard someone say on this forum.
You are completely ignoring the bio-availability of different sources of food, the difference between complex and simple carbs, the difference in amino acid profiles in proteins etc.
If what you say was true, any bodybuilder could just eat 4 buckets of kfc a day and be done, obviously this isn't the case.
Just becaus you are to uneducated about nutrition you shouldn't go out calling other peoples posts crap, and pretty childish of you that you gave me negative rep, only displays your own stupidity.

looking at your body, im suprised you arent more educated. You dont NEED complex carbs for example, they are just better than refined carbs such as white bread as they lack the vitamins and nutrients of the wholegrain variety.

As posted before, a calorie IS a calorie. Your post was not stupid, just misinformed and incorrect. Mr b1g saying a calorie is a calorie, is correct. You WILL make gains eating enough protein and after this, you could just eat kfc all day. If you are taking a multi you will be getting all the nutrients from that. (and preferably an EFA tablet). The only downside to this approach is: it will make your cardio health crap and you will have no energy.

[Dutchie21]

looking at your body, im suprised you arent more educated. You dont NEED complex carbs for example, they are just better than refined carbs such as white bread as they lack the vitamins and nutrients of the wholegrain variety.

As posted before, a calorie IS a calorie. Your post was not stupid, just misinformed and incorrect. Mr b1g saying a calorie is a calorie, is correct. You WILL make gains eating enough protein and after this, you could just eat kfc all day. If you are taking a multi you will be getting all the nutrients from that. (and preferably an EFA tablet). The only downside to this approach is: it will make your cardio health crap and you will have no energy.

Well I never said he wouldn't gain, now did I? I just said if he eats unhealthy he is bound to add fat aswell.

A calorie is just a measurement for the amount of energy present in any type of food, and that's about all it says about it.
A calorie is a calorie yeah ofcourse, a chair is a chair, that says nothing about the quality of the chair or the food in question tho.

Second what you say isn't the only difference between simple and complex carbs, Complex carbs or starch are sugars bonded together to form a chain, for this reason digestion of complex carbohydrates takes longer than that of simple carbs which are smaller molecules of sugar unlike the long chains of complex carbs. Cus your body actualy has to work to digest them, the risk of them being stored as fat is much smaller.

If every calorie would be the same , explain the difference a diet for example low on carbs and fat, high on protein has versus a diet high on carbs low on protein and fat both just as high in calories. Obviously it matters what you eat, that's why bodybuilders go out of their way to perfect and tweak their diet, and not just go on an all out kfc binch every day with a multivitamin tablet which ofcourse would be much easier/cheaper and more tasty.

I don't consider myself an expert on nutrition and there is much for me to learn still, but I think it's funny you would call me uneducated.

Anyway, I'm not here to start an argument with anyone, I was just looking to help out the poster of this thread.
When I just started working out, on advice of others, I also just ate whatever I want just looking that I got enough protein, and I gained muscle but alot of fat aswell, which I had to train off later, now that I'm on a clean diet I gain muscle without almost any fat, which Is alot more desirable.

[jamie93]

Well I never said he wouldn't gain, now did I? I just said if he eats unhealthy he is bound to add fat aswell.

A calorie is just a measurement for the amount of energy present in any type of food, and that's about all it says about it.
A calorie is a calorie yeah ofcourse, a chair is a chair, that says nothing about the quality of the chair or the food in question tho.

Second what you say isn't the only difference between simple and complex carbs, Complex carbs or starch are sugars bonded together to form a chain, for this reason digestion of complex carbohydrates takes longer than that of simple carbs which are smaller molecules of sugar unlike the long chains of complex carbs. Cus your body actualy has to work to digest them, the risk of them being stored as fat is much smaller.

If every calorie would be the same , explain the difference a diet for example low on carbs and fat, high on protein has versus a diet high on carbs low on protein and fat both just as high in calories. Obviously it matters what you eat, that's why bodybuilders go out of their way to perfect and tweak their diet, and not just go on an all out kfc binch every day with a multivitamin tablet which ofcourse would be much easier/cheaper and more tasty.

I don't consider myself an expert on nutrition and there is much for me to learn still, but I think it's funny you would call me uneducated.

Anyway, I'm not here to start an argument with anyone, I was just looking to help out the poster of this thread.
When I just started working out, on advice of others, I also just ate whatever I want just looking that I got enough protein, and I gained muscle but alot of fat aswell, which I had to train off later, now that I'm on a clean diet I gain muscle without almost any fat, which Is alot more desirable.

i am not here to start an arguement with anyone either, but theres nothing against have a discussion. I dont not mean to call you 'uneducated' i merely meant to say that your statement, in my opinion is not a knowledgeable one.

I have been told many times by 200lb ripped guys over on the nutrition forum, that diets such as keto are only necessary if you are stuggling to lose that extra bf % (e.g. getting lower than 8%). Anything over this, cals in vs cals out is all that matters.

IMHO, i think that if you compared someone doing a keto cut and someone on a normal cal restricted cut the resulting bf% would be the same. HOWEVER the keto subject may appear leaner due to less water retention? makes sense?

About carb quality, yes absorption rate does differ however if you mean by the the GI (which i guess you do) it has been found many times to be pointless. They have tested these carbohydrates on subjects who have been fasted under controlled conditions for at least 24 hours (correct me if im wrong someone) but i know they are fasted, thus you get an accurate carb absorption time. Normally, we are very rarely in a catabolic state and it takes much longer than 6 hours to go into one. Also, when you eat fats and even protein to an extent, absorption is slowed due to these other substances being processed.

Feel free to continue im just in the mood for sharing my view.

[btb925]

if you're talking about sheer numbers and the number that faces back at you when standing on a scale, then a calorie is a calorie.

personally, i hate hearing "a calorie is a calorie" because obviously, it is. It sends the wrong message to newbies who take this as a "eat whatever you want" meal plan as long as your protein is 1xBW everyday. Nobody is denying growth with this method but it is stupid and retarded when you realize how much your body composition is affected by different macros. You cannot truly believe it is as simple as watching your protein and making sure your calories are above your maintenance. Unless gifted beyond belief, that you will yield such mediocre results compared to a solid diet.

Every body is different ... manipulating certain macros like carbs can have huge effects on people that can be very positive aesthetically. Nobody is saying to follow everything you throw in your mouth to a T ... but play the diet game within reason and be consistent.

and I didnt even go into the energy level and health effects yet.....

[jamie93]

and I didnt even go into the energy level and health effects yet.....

i did. i said that in my 1st post. Sure eating simple carbs will yield low energy and sure eating mcdonalds will yield awful cardio health. but it technically is possible to build muscle this way as long as your getting the right amount of protein, and efa's and taking a multi (1st post again). I would honestly like to see the difference in body comp between someone who followed an extremely strict diet, to someone who ate like the above. It would be interesting to me as im not sure if there would visually be much difference.

[Postal2aw]

Not this **** again...




OP, good diet better gains, no diet, less gains. But you will still grow.

[katosan]

Probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard someone say on this forum.
You are completely ignoring the bio-availability of different sources of food, the difference between complex and simple carbs, the difference in amino acid profiles in proteins etc.
If what you say was true, any bodybuilder could just eat 4 buckets of kfc a day and be done, obviously this isn't the case.
Just becaus you are to uneducated about nutrition you shouldn't go out calling other peoples posts crap, and pretty childish of you that you gave me negative rep, only displays your own stupidity.

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Poor Dutchie, maybe it's you who needs to be educated?

[Dutchie21]

if you're talking about sheer numbers and the number that faces back at you when standing on a scale, then a calorie is a calorie.

personally, i hate hearing "a calorie is a calorie" because obviously, it is. It sends the wrong message to newbies who take this as a "eat whatever you want" meal plan as long as your protein is 1xBW everyday. Nobody is denying growth with this method but it is stupid and retarded when you realize how much your body composition is affected by different macros. You cannot truly believe it is as simple as watching your protein and making sure your calories are above your maintenance. Unless gifted beyond belief, that you will yield such mediocre results compared to a solid diet.

Every body is different ... manipulating certain macros like carbs can have huge effects on people that can be very positive aesthetically. Nobody is saying to follow everything you throw in your mouth to a T ... but play the diet game within reason and be consistent.

and I didnt even go into the energy level and health effects yet.....

Exactly my thoughts, but I'm not putting any more energy into this discussion.
If people want to believe a calorie is a calorie, thus it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you meet your protein and caloric need, go ahead.
I will eat clean cus I know it matters.

[.Excalibur]

Probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard someone say on this forum.
You are completely ignoring the bio-availability of different sources of food, the difference between complex and simple carbs, the difference in amino acid profiles in proteins etc.
If what you say was true, any bodybuilder could just eat 4 buckets of kfc a day and be done, obviously this isn't the case.
Just becaus you are to uneducated about nutrition you shouldn't go out calling other peoples posts crap, and pretty childish of you that you gave me negative rep, only displays your own stupidity.

A calorie is a calorie, and a macro is a macro. You cant argue that a prorein with a higher or lower BV is better or worse. Your body wont reject a gram of protein because it is from a burger, and not some steamed chicken.
OP- as long as you are eating enough, you will be able to bodybuild just as good as someone who is eating "healthy".
If you want to eat healthy for health reasons, go ahead, but make sure your eating enough.