Hey guys, looking for some advice...I am playing with my deads to find which one (biomechanically) I appear to be best suited for do to my build...
Personal observations, sumo hard on hips, conventional hard on low back, hybrid just started playing with. Goal is maximal weight. I have been doing sumo for while so I lift the most in that position, but with practice, maybe I could do more in another. Thoughts/Comments. This is a sub max load since max load(405lbs) form only gets worse and wanted this as natural as possible without too much thought on form.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez0gkl43V-k (conv)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMzSbnTaQII (sumo wide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4GtoqPQxk (hybrid)
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09-14-2010, 01:31 AM #1
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3 types of deadlifts, which is best
Wendler 5-3-1
Crossfit
Diet: TKD Paleo
DL 535
Squat 435
Bench 335
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09-14-2010, 01:44 AM #2
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09-14-2010, 03:35 AM #4
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09-14-2010, 07:20 AM #5
Do you even powerlift? The point of the sport is to lift the most weight. If you can do the most sumo, it would be stupid to lift conventional and do less.
Except your signature says "Crossfit", in which case you have to pull conventional.
Honestly, because of that, I would focus on conventional, train sumo just to see where it's at, and don't worry about the hybrid unless you're Ed Coan. I train my conventional almost exclusively unless I'm leading up to a meet and just trying to gauge my sumo. Regardless of which I train, my sumo is ALWAYS just about 50 pounds better than my conventional. So, I train the weaker one.314/231/352/881@123
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09-14-2010, 07:34 AM #6
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09-14-2010, 08:05 AM #8
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Good rule of thumb: make sure you're fingers aren't dry before they go anywhere NEAR her clit/pussy.
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09-14-2010, 09:03 AM #9
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09-14-2010, 09:33 AM #11
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09-14-2010, 10:26 AM #12
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"Clit stimulation if your fingers are dry is not a good idea. The clit is more sensitive than the underside of a guy's penis, apparently.
Good rule of thumb: make sure you're fingers aren't dry before they go anywhere NEAR her clit/pussy.
Also, besides myself, maybe 2-3 of you have actually done anything like this before..."
-Daniel Beauchamp
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09-14-2010, 10:36 AM #13
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09-14-2010, 01:24 PM #16
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09-14-2010, 01:26 PM #17
Conventional was always my DL of choice but made the switch to sumo awhile back just to see if it was "easier". I didn't find it any easier, but what I did notice is that the sumo pull feels more natural for me. So I continue to pull sumo for that reason lol.
Form is another factor for me, I don't have as many issues with my form pulling sumo. With conventional, I often needed to take a week just to work form with lighter weight to make sure everything was o.k
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09-14-2010, 01:40 PM #18
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09-14-2010, 02:51 PM #21
I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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GYM.........................MEET............GOALS
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605lbs. reverse band squat.
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09-14-2010, 02:56 PM #22
I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Deuteronomy 31:6
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09-14-2010, 03:15 PM #23
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09-14-2010, 05:47 PM #26
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i've always had a naturally strong back so conv is the way for me
c-c-c-combo breaker edit: damnLast edited by chuckarock; 09-14-2010 at 05:57 PM.
35# weight - PR: 19.83.
Shot Put - PR: 15.83m
Hammer - PR: 56.23 - 2012 goal: 60m
Lifts
Front squat (atg) - 405 (Jan '12)
Bench - 3450 (Feb '12)
Power Clean - 320 (Jan '12)
40: 4.8 Standing Vert: 31" Standing Long Jump: 9'8" (dec '11)
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09-14-2010, 08:15 PM #27
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09-15-2010, 12:11 AM #28
Sumo is popular mostly among two groups of people:
-Multiply guys who rarely train deads, think genetics are the reason people pull more than they bench, and don't plan on getting much stronger because they read that strength ≠ big total. You see, sumo pulls kinda look a little like a reverse band safety bar box squat from the right angle if you squint, and they love that sort of ****.
-Crossfitters who need a vid to post in some "[moderate weight]x[large amount of reps] DEADLIFT @[138lbs of douchebag]" thread because the internet can't wait forever and it's a hell of a lot easier to move 4" 17 times than 16".
Good for them. They can pull a little more now.
If they wanted to pull a lot more later, they would likely be doing conventional regardless of belly and femur measurements because you can't teach yourself to engage beast mode when you're looking all silly with your hands by your wiener and your toes nearly getting squashed.
I worked around my weaknesses instead of confronting them and saw some decent numbers. Then I hit a wall and had to teach myself to squat and pull the manly way so I could go beyond that.
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