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    3 types of deadlifts, which is best

    Hey guys, looking for some advice...I am playing with my deads to find which one (biomechanically) I appear to be best suited for do to my build...

    Personal observations, sumo hard on hips, conventional hard on low back, hybrid just started playing with. Goal is maximal weight. I have been doing sumo for while so I lift the most in that position, but with practice, maybe I could do more in another. Thoughts/Comments. This is a sub max load since max load(405lbs) form only gets worse and wanted this as natural as possible without too much thought on form.

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    Originally Posted by Sam Steele View Post
    Hey guys, looking for some advice...I am playing with my deads to find which one (biomechanically) I appear to be best suited for do to my build...

    Personal observations, sumo hard on hips, conventional hard on low back, hybrid just started playing with. Goal is maximal weight. I have been doing sumo for while so I lift the most in that position, but with practice, maybe I could do more in another. Thoughts/Comments. This is a sub max load since max load(405lbs) form only gets worse and wanted this as natural as possible without too much thought on form.

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    everyone should do conventional, the ones who switch to sumo are the ones that looked to for an easier lift to get bigger weight



    Edit: didnt even read ur post but looks like I was spot on.
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    Originally Posted by LiftHeavy85 View Post
    everyone should do conventional, the ones who switch to sumo are the ones that looked to for an easier lift to get bigger weight



    Edit: didnt even read ur post but looks like I was spot on.
    No offense but some of us are performance based. That is how much we can lift because that is what we are judged on. Therefore it becomes important on which technique were are using or best suited for.
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    Originally Posted by LiftHeavy85 View Post
    everyone should do conventional, the ones who switch to sumo are the ones that looked to for an easier lift to get bigger weight

    Edit: didnt even read ur post but looks like I was spot on.
    Do you even powerlift? The point of the sport is to lift the most weight. If you can do the most sumo, it would be stupid to lift conventional and do less.

    Originally Posted by Sam Steele View Post
    No offense but some of us are performance based. That is how much we can lift because that is what we are judged on. Therefore it becomes important on which technique were are using or best suited for.
    Except your signature says "Crossfit", in which case you have to pull conventional.

    Honestly, because of that, I would focus on conventional, train sumo just to see where it's at, and don't worry about the hybrid unless you're Ed Coan. I train my conventional almost exclusively unless I'm leading up to a meet and just trying to gauge my sumo. Regardless of which I train, my sumo is ALWAYS just about 50 pounds better than my conventional. So, I train the weaker one.
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    Originally Posted by LiftHeavy85 View Post
    everyone should do conventional, the ones who switch to sumo are the ones that looked to for an easier lift to get bigger weight



    Edit: didnt even read ur post but looks like I was spot on.
    My head just exploded... this is the powerlifting section right?
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    Originally Posted by LiftHeavy85 View Post
    everyone should do conventional, the ones who switch to sumo are the ones that looked to for an easier lift to get bigger weight



    Edit: didnt even read ur post but looks like I was spot on.
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    Originally Posted by LiftHeavy85 View Post
    everyone should do conventional, the ones who switch to sumo are the ones that looked to for an easier lift to get bigger weight



    Edit: didnt even read ur post but looks like I was spot on.
    Yeah bro totally!!

    One way extremism is so ****ing cool!!

    Anyone who does sumo is clearly a ****ing pussy looking for the easy way out! What a bunch of stupid ****s!
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    Originally Posted by Entkommen115 View Post
    Yeah bro totally!!

    One way extremism is so ****ing cool!!

    Anyone who does sumo is clearly a ****ing pussy looking for the easy way out! What a bunch of stupid ****s!
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    Originally Posted by LiftHeavy85 View Post
    glad u agree broski
    i may be worng but i dont think he does agrees lol
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    Originally Posted by Sam Steele View Post
    Personal observations, sumo hard on hips, conventional hard on low back, hybrid just started playing with. Goal is maximal weight. I have been doing sumo for while so I lift the most in that position, but with practice, maybe I could do more in another. Thoughts/Comments.
    My opinion is to train them all ( rotate them ), and do the one you lift the most weight with in competition ( it might not always be the same, nor which one you think it might be ).
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    Originally Posted by johnsonb90436 View Post
    i may be worng but i dont think he does agrees lol
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    I must be looking for an easy way out because my conventional deadlift is 75lbs greater than my sumo.
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    When sumo is legal style, then can you also straddle the bar and lift it between your legs for maximum poundages?
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    I prefer conventional, but I just started deadlifting a month ago. I may try sumo cause my lower back has been hurting.
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    I'm stronger conventional.

    Sumo is easier on my back, but its a lot more technical for me. I have to do everything spot on to hit my potential going sumo.
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    Conventional was always my DL of choice but made the switch to sumo awhile back just to see if it was "easier". I didn't find it any easier, but what I did notice is that the sumo pull feels more natural for me. So I continue to pull sumo for that reason lol.

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    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
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    i've always had a naturally strong back so conv is the way for me




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    Originally Posted by 19george View Post
    I must be looking for an easy way out because my conventional deadlift is 75lbs greater than my sumo.
    wouldnt sumo produce a greater load since it has reduce ROM I thought?
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    Originally Posted by Sam Steele View Post
    I find it funny that people look at sumo as easier or cheating. If that was the case all powerlifters would use it. It is a question of leverages and body types.
    Sumo is popular mostly among two groups of people:
    -Multiply guys who rarely train deads, think genetics are the reason people pull more than they bench, and don't plan on getting much stronger because they read that strength ≠ big total. You see, sumo pulls kinda look a little like a reverse band safety bar box squat from the right angle if you squint, and they love that sort of ****.
    -Crossfitters who need a vid to post in some "[moderate weight]x[large amount of reps] DEADLIFT @[138lbs of douchebag]" thread because the internet can't wait forever and it's a hell of a lot easier to move 4" 17 times than 16".

    Good for them. They can pull a little more now.
    If they wanted to pull a lot more later, they would likely be doing conventional regardless of belly and femur measurements because you can't teach yourself to engage beast mode when you're looking all silly with your hands by your wiener and your toes nearly getting squashed.

    I worked around my weaknesses instead of confronting them and saw some decent numbers. Then I hit a wall and had to teach myself to squat and pull the manly way so I could go beyond that.
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    Originally Posted by titwagon View Post
    Sumo is popular mostly among two groups of people:
    -Multiply guys who rarely train deads, think genetics are the reason people pull more than they bench, and don't plan on getting much stronger because they read that strength ≠ big total. You see, sumo pulls kinda look a little like a reverse band safety bar box squat from the right angle if you squint, and they love that sort of ****.
    -Crossfitters who need a vid to post in some "[moderate weight]x[large amount of reps] DEADLIFT @[138lbs of douchebag]" thread because the internet can't wait forever and it's a hell of a lot easier to move 4" 17 times than 16".

    Good for them. They can pull a little more now.
    If they wanted to pull a lot more later, they would likely be doing conventional regardless of belly and femur measurements because you can't teach yourself to engage beast mode when you're looking all silly with your hands by your wiener and your toes nearly getting squashed.

    I worked around my weaknesses instead of confronting them and saw some decent numbers. Then I hit a wall and had to teach myself to squat and pull the manly way so I could go beyond that.
    -The multiply guys that do it sumo do it because you can get 100+ pounds from a suit sumo, and you'd be lucky to get 20 pounds from a suit conventional.
    -Crossfit deadlifts have to be conventional.
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    -Small-c "crossfitter," which is a slur not specific to people who do the Crossfit program.
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