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    Question Best Non-Methyl PH on the Market?

    Hi,
    I'm a wrestler and I had a good experience with 3-AD from AX in the past.

    AX discountinued 3-AD and I'm wondering which one is the best non- methyl ph on the market?

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    Dienolone prohormone (Tren prohormone) but it's banned in the US.
    11-oxo is not banned but you need to run it at high dosage and it cost alot.
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    Originally Posted by lesportifs View Post
    Dienolone prohormone (Tren prohormone) but it's banned in the US.
    11-oxo is not banned but you need to run it at high dosage and it cost alot.

    Katanadrol from Mr Supps is 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol -- non-methylated and is reputedly quite effective at high doses... I look forward to running it soon.

    All the "Tren" prohormones are also both powerful and non-methylated. My current favorite is Trenazone -- which is a transdermal "Tren"... Just ran it for 4 weeks with good results.
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    Originally Posted by Shimada View Post
    Katanadrol from Mr Supps is 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol -- non-methylated and is reputedly quite effective at high doses... I look forward to running it soon.

    All the "Tren" prohormones are also both powerful and non-methylated. My current favorite is Trenazone -- which is a transdermal "Tren"... Just ran it for 4 weeks with good results.
    this was discussed before (when i was lookign into it).

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=123798441

    can someone tell me the difference between the compound in katandrol and orastan a?
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    Why does no one talk about 1-andro rx? Converts to 1-test, and is non-methylated. Maybe on the expensive side, but Im almost positive I'll do a run next summer
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    Originally Posted by DinnersReady View Post
    ..Why aren't you interested in methyls?
    As wrestler I prefer mild compound with low to no side that save asap my liver.
    Beside that with 3-AD pct was a breeze with just the aPCT from AX

    3-AD is a double dosed 11-OXO so maybe could be the right choice for me.
    What about the 11-OXO dose and PCT?
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    If you want to use 11oxo, I recommend using the bulk powder from smartpowders. It makes it a lot more economical.
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    What are your goals for this cycle? LMG is good when bulking while P-stanz, Furuza A or 11sterone are good for a cut/recomp
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    Originally Posted by braveand View Post
    As wrestler I prefer mild compound with low to no side that save asap my liver.
    Beside that with 3-AD pct was a breeze with just the aPCT from AX

    3-AD is a double dosed 11-OXO so maybe could be the right choice for me.
    What about the 11-OXO dose and PCT?
    3ad converts to Stanolone

    11oxo works differently. Unless I'm unaware

    I also have 3 bottles of 3AD, still within expiry
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    1.Bold (illegal but easy to obtain)
    2. Tren (same illegal but easy to get)
    3. M-LMG
    4. Furuza-A
    5. P-Stanz
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    If I'm not mistaken...

    5a-androstano(2,3-c) furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether
    Orastane-E -- Prostanozol


    [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Orastane-A -- Furaguno


    Both of the above are more powerful than 11-OXO. And "Tren" (Nordienedione) is better than both and is probably your best bet.
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    Originally Posted by em-dubya View Post
    What are your goals for this cycle? LMG is good when bulking while P-stanz, Furuza A or 11sterone are good for a cut/recomp
    I just want to add few more lbs of lbm.
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    Originally Posted by Shimada View Post
    If I'm not mistaken...

    5a-androstano(2,3-c) furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether
    Orastane-E -- Prostanozol


    [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Orastane-A -- Furaguno


    Both of the above are more powerful than 11-OXO. And "Tren" (Nordienedione) is better than both and is probably your best bet.
    Are all non-methyl?
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    Originally Posted by AlphaTauMuscle View Post
    1.Bold (illegal but easy to obtain)
    2. Tren (same illegal but easy to get)
    3. M-LMG
    4. Furuza-A
    5. P-Stanz
    6. 11-Oxo
    How do you compare these ph with 3-AD?
    Are all more powerful?
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    i was just looking at CEL P-Stanz
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    Originally Posted by braveand View Post
    Are all non-methyl?
    Yep... (In fact, methylated prostanozol is winstrol, and methylated 'tren' is methyldienolone.)

    All are more powerful than 3-AD. Tren >> Prostanozol >>>>> 3AD/11OXO
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    Originally Posted by Shimada View Post
    Yep... (In fact, methylated prostanozol is winstrol, and methylated 'tren' is methyldienolone.)

    All are more powerful than 3-AD. Tren >> Prostanozol >>>>> 3AD/11OXO
    Sounds good to me..

    When you say tren you mean x-tren, tren-e (x-tren clone) or whatelse?
    What do you suggest for my pct? 6-oxo?
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    Originally Posted by braveand View Post
    Sounds good to me..

    When you say tren you mean x-tren, tren-e (x-tren clone) or whatelse?
    What do you suggest for my pct? 6-oxo?
    'Tren' is estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione -- as in 'tren-xtreme,' 'trenazone,' 'x-tren,' etc... all these 'tren' compounds all have the same active ingredient. (Except for 'trenadrol', which is different -- and much more expensive, harder to find, and not quite as effective. In my opinion, that is.)

    If you're going to take an estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione product, you will want to run a serious PCT. More serious, in any case, than 6-OXO.

    Hope this helps!
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    Originally Posted by Shimada View Post
    'Tren' is estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione -- as in 'tren-xtreme,' 'trenazone,' 'x-tren,' etc... all these 'tren' compounds all have the same active ingredient. (Except for 'trenadrol', which is different -- and much more expensive, harder to find, and not quite as effective. In my opinion, that is.)

    If you're going to take an estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione product, you will want to run a serious PCT. More serious, in any case, than 6-OXO.

    Hope this helps!
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    Originally Posted by Eyayo View Post
    estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione COULDNT touch trenadrol
    Funny you should say that... See, some people swear by Trenadrol, but I've known a number of people who got absolutely nothing out of it. Some of them ended up giving the stuff away. Perhaps there were some quality control or dosing issues? On paper, 17b-methoxy-trienbolone seems like a tremendous compound... Odd that most of the real-world evidence I've seen/heard has been mixed.
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    Originally Posted by Eyayo View Post
    estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione COULDNT touch trenadrol
    Kilosports Tren = 17b-methoxy-trienbolone
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    Originally Posted by blackscorp View Post
    Kilosports Tren = 17b-methoxy-trienbolone
    i understand. He said it wasnt as effective, which i disagree.
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    Originally Posted by Eyayo View Post
    i understand. He said it wasnt as effective, which i disagree.
    It has been shown to be MORE effective then its sister estra

    Good to agree
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    Funny you should say that... See, some people swear by Trenadrol, but I've known a number of people who got absolutely nothing out of it. Some of them ended up giving the stuff away. Perhaps there were some quality control or dosing issues? On paper, 17b-methoxy-trienbolone seems like a tremendous compound... Odd that most of the real-world evidence I've seen/heard has been mixed.
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    Why does no one talk about 1-andro rx? Converts to 1-test, and is non-methylated. Maybe on the expensive side, but Im almost positive I'll do a run next summer
    post on anabolic minds gives it a 10/10 and says its the best for maximum gains. I don't see anyone recommending it though?

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    Originally Posted by blackscorp View Post
    It has been shown to be MORE effective then its sister estra

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