Why does mass=strength

[1968camarors]

Something I've just wondered about for quite some time and haven't come up with an answer.What is the science behind mass equaling more strength or the ability to move heavier objects?

[LILFATBOI]

Something I've just wondered about for quite some time and haven't come up with an answer.What is the science behind mass equaling more strength or the ability to move heavier objects?

bigger engine on car=more horsepower

[RAGS_21]

There is a lot of physics and anatomy&phys behind this. Strength is the force exerted by a muscle, and the larger/thicker muscle fibers are, the stronger they will be.

The metaphor above basically answers your question.

[1968camarors]

There is a lot of physics and anatomy&phys behind this. Strength is the force exerted by a muscle, and the larger/thicker muscle fibers are, the stronger they will be.

The metaphor above basically answers your question.

So a large person say 300 lbs lifting 300lbs has muscle capable of lifting 300lbs but say that person loses 20lbs of fat that same person should be able to lift 300 lbs correct? but that doesn't seem to be the case atleast in my uneducated mind.

[RAGS_21]

So a large person say 300 lbs lifting 300lbs has muscle capable of lifting 300lbs but say that person loses 20lbs of fat that same person should be able to lift 300 lbs correct? but that doesn't seem to be the case atleast in my uneducated mind.

you would have to do a lot of research and looking into on that subject. also you have to consider height, bone leverages, weight, body fat %, muscle fiber types (depending on genetics, you are born with pre-set numbers of type I and type II muscle fibers).

[Nate2010]

I always thought it was strength = mass.



Just because your big does not mean your strong.

[LILFATBOI]

Just because your big does not mean your strong.

yes when comparing two people,but take 1 person and bulk them 20lbs....bet u 100 bucks they get stronger.

[chuckarock]

it's easier to gain more muscle when you just straight up gain weight. it's easier to gain strength when you gain more muscle. it's hard to lose weight but not lose muscle

[LILFATBOI]

it's easier to gain more muscle when you just straight up gain weight. it's easier to gain strength when you gain more muscle. it's hard to lose weight but not lose muscle

well HGH and m drol can help retain mass im sure.

[1968camarors]

you would have to do a lot of research and looking into on that subject. also you have to consider height, bone leverages, weight, body fat %, muscle fiber types (depending on genetics, you are born with pre-set numbers of type I and type II muscle fibers).

Well just from observation a 130lb 6 ft kid starting the gym lifts 45lbs on bench starting out now a 200lb 6ft kid starting out goes and lifts 125lbs on the bench.Both just started yet the more massive being is capable of lifting more. Now those numbers are just numbers I pulled out of no where but the point is the bigger the body the more weight that can be moved even if they both just started lifting weights.

[buddy72192]

I always thought it was strength = mass.



Just because your big does not mean your strong.

What's your status mean regarding 9-1-2010?

[Jordanbid]

Well just from observation a 130lb 6 ft kid starting the gym lifts 45lbs on bench starting out now a 200lb 6ft kid starting out goes and lifts 125lbs on the bench.Both just started yet the more massive being is capable of lifting more. Now those numbers are just numbers I pulled out of no where but the point is the bigger the body the more weight that can be moved even if they both just started lifting weights.

It's the muscle to wieght ratio.

[Nate2010]

What's your status mean regarding 9-1-2010?

That was the day I realized that most people on hear are on the Gear.


Im natty and plan on staying that way, but most people on hear just carelessly dont give a fck.

Especially true in zeh teen section.

[Uberwaffle]

I always thought it was strength = mass.



Just because your big does not mean your strong.

This, for sure

I know guys who are about my size because of genetics, who only bench like 135x5

[TomVZ]

This, for sure

I know guys who are about my size because of genetics, who only bench like 135x5

Well I think the idea is that a given person is stronger when they are heavier compared to that same person when they are lighter.. not that any large guy is instantly strong lo

[Retardo-pex]

That was the day I realized that most people on hear are on the Gear.


Im natty and plan on staying that way, but most people on hear just carelessly dont give a fck.

Especially true in zeh teen section.

Most people? Elaborate on this please. I'm not going to pretend to know everyone on bb.com but most people I interact with do not use.

[1968camarors]

Well I think the idea is that a given person is stronger when they are heavier compared to that same person when they are lighter.. not that any large guy is instantly strong lo

This is what I'm getting at.

[Fluster]

I know more people IRL that do than on this board - Most of the regular posters in here compete in tested feds and certainly the majority of the posters with whom I converse on a daily basis are natural.

Sweeping statements are just that.

[Nate2010]

Most people? Elaborate on this please. I'm not going to pretend to know everyone on bb.com but most people I interact with do not use.

Really, most people I interact with brag/promote it......


Maybe im hanging in zeh teen section too much.

[UNCCBEAST]

Well just from observation a 130lb 6 ft kid starting the gym lifts 45lbs on bench starting out now a 200lb 6ft kid starting out goes and lifts 125lbs on the bench.Both just started yet the more massive being is capable of lifting more. Now those numbers are just numbers I pulled out of no where but the point is the bigger the body the more weight that can be moved even if they both just started lifting weights.

Mass does equal strength. It depends on what kind of mass though. Generally the more muscle mass you have or gain, the stronger you will be or get. However, having fat mass doesn't mean you'll be strong.

[someonefat]

Really, most people I interact with brag/promote it......


Maybe im hanging in zeh teen section too much.

teen section thinks creatine is a steroid

[.Excalibur]

The definition of strength is the CNS's effiiciency to recruit muscle fibre.
So the total weight lifted is some product of strength and the cross-sectional area of the muscle. ussually, bigger people have more muscle, so more muscle is recruited during the lift, even if they have the same CNS efficiency(the same % of muscle fibre are recruited, but the fibre is bigger, for the bigger person.)
There are more things that come into play when thinking total weight lifted, such as tendon insertion points, height, any injuries, et cetera.
Not sure if that made any sense to any of you?

[guest89]

Well just from observation a 130lb 6 ft kid starting the gym lifts 45lbs on bench starting out now a 200lb 6ft kid starting out goes and lifts 125lbs on the bench.Both just started yet the more massive being is capable of lifting more. Now those numbers are just numbers I pulled out of no where but the point is the bigger the body the more weight that can be moved even if they both just started lifting weights.

Ehhh, the first time I ever benchpressed in my life I was about 165lbs (@ 5'7) and I benched 135x2.


I know lots of "beefy" guys who could barely bench 95lbs when they first started.


Sit around and play video games fat guy =/= Manual labor fat guy.

[Heisman2]

To answer the OP's original question:

Presumably, if you gain mass you will gain muscle to some degree, and as you gain muscle some of it will go into the myofibrils, thereby increasing the cross sectional area of the muscle fibers to some degree, and hence when you contract your muscles there will literally be more muscle to contract, which will then produce more force.

[someonefat]

snatching 380+lbs. @ 170lbs


Nasser el sonbaty did bench competition and could only do like 14 reps with 225 when he was in offseason at over 300lbs.



also jay cutler has never done more then like 4 plates for squats in his video that I've seen. And usually only for low reps. Basically size=/strength and vice versa

[Mickles]

snatching 380+lbs. @ 170lbs


Nasser el sonbaty did bench competition and could only do like 14 reps with 225 when he was in offseason at over 300lbs.

also jay cutler has never done more then like 4 plates for squats in his video that I've seen. And usually only for low reps. Basically size=/strength and vice versa

THose are extreme cases that do not represent your average person though

[Norse1308]

THose are extreme cases that do not represent your average person though

OP didn't specify for average person or not.

[Big Sexy J]

That was the day I realized that most people on hear are on the Gear.


Im natty and plan on staying that way, but most people on hear just carelessly dont give a fck.

Especially true in zeh teen section.

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By the way, your sig is retarded.

[astro99]

I saw an illustration in Rippetoe's book of 2 thighs....the other one was bigger/more muscular.

And there were lines illustrating levers I think.

I believe he used the term "angle of attack".

[TomVZ]

You can't compare different people.. The question is if one person would be stronger if they were larger (and I assume not from muscle but rather fat).