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Thread: Mike Tyson Training
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11-06-2011, 09:50 AM #31
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11-09-2011, 11:11 AM #32
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Mike tyson's chin was average at best it just never really got tested that much as he was such an elusive fighter and saying your chin/durability is a god-given trait is really vague. I guess you could argue it's to do with neuronal firing along your jawline but realistically you train your neck to reduce the chances of getting knocked out. Lets remember he wasn't fighting for points as well, in this video he was training for his pro career which is not scored using an amateur system.
Also power = speed x force... this is not a trait you are born with it is something you can develop.Last edited by SuperManSupps; 11-11-2011 at 02:32 AM.
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11-09-2011, 11:18 AM #33
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11-10-2011, 10:54 PM #34
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11-11-2011, 02:33 AM #35
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11-11-2011, 07:19 AM #36
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I love the guys who come in here and spout out crap about weightlifting making you slow. You listened to the 80 year old gym coach you had in grade school too much. Weight lifting and resistance training is a part of every professional athletes training regime. For christ sakes we are not talking about bodybuilding we are talking about resistance training. If you truely believe the old school athletes were better because they didnt lift weights, you are off your rocker. If you have no idea what youre doing and train like an amateur then yes it can be counter productive but lets be serious professional athletes train with professional trainers that have studied the science behind what makes you FASTER, and its not doing 5000 push ups a day.
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11-11-2011, 11:42 AM #37
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11-11-2011, 12:39 PM #38
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I agree... there are a plethora of factors that dictate ones athletic predisposition, however with power alone i'm not sure whether you can't train for this... especially in boxing which is so technical. For me, in this particular example, technique and practise will overcome a boxers predisposition to power. I train fighters... you always see the more powerful men coming from particular gyms... this is the way they train
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03-11-2012, 08:14 AM #39
you guys need to understand
What you guys need to undetstans is that mike Tyson didn't train with weights in his prime (except for shrugging 30kg barbells to strengthen his shoulders)
You guys BODYBUILD to look good.
Tyson trained to become stronger and faster without weights.
weights have as much resemblance to punching power as a cheesecake , - Tyson said this when he was asked 'what do you think about frank brunos bodybuilder training.
Weights reduce your ability to punch, that's why the boxers of the past didn't use them.
To throw constant knockout punches you need to throw them with speed
- speed = power ,, without speed your punch becomes a PUSH so there's no power. using weights slows you down because it strains the arms and builds unnecessary muscle which isn't as flexible... Lifting weights makes you strong but only gives you the ability to lift heavy things (it doesn't improve punches)
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03-11-2012, 10:00 AM #40
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03-11-2012, 11:59 AM #41
Extensive weight training is !
If your lifting light weights then it's not as bad, but look at it this way What are the few things all these fighters have in common --- Ali,Dempsey, Marciano, foreman, Frazier , Tyson, jack Johnson, joe Louis and tommy hearns ... They are all classed as the greatest fighters ever ,,
None of them touched weights ,,, and they all hit hard....
People only disagree with using weights in boxing because they all ready do this and they are gutted !!
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03-11-2012, 04:38 PM #42
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Yeah...okay boxers don't lift weights. Roy Jones Jr, Manny Paquiao, Floyd Mayweather Jr. They went up in multiple weight classes by running and eating more. YUP makes sense. Roy Jones jr was a middleweight-160 lbs and then became a heavyweight- 199 lbs when he won the title from Ruiz he gained all that weight by doing "pushups". Manny paquiao 115 lbs to 145 lbs. etc. etc. Boxers lift weights.
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03-11-2012, 07:42 PM #43
You know the whole idea behind weight class sports? You starve yourself down to the smallest weight class you can, and then starve yourself down some more. Running keeps the weight off too. Bernard Hopkins is not a small guy, but fought his entire career emaciated with a 28" waist. He finally said **** and it and got much heavier- how? not starving himself.
Boxers are diet fanatics (wrestlers/judo guys too, but boxers most of all I think). When I boxed my trainer tore everybody a new ******* for liking instant noodles because they had too much sodium and made you fat. That's the mentality.
Also, people get heavier as they age.
And nowadays, sure, some guys life weights, but there's also tons of juicy juicy, and the technical level of boxers is far lower than it was 20 years ago, and those guys were far below the guys before them, up until before the world wars, when the talent pool in boxing was massive (biggest sport before tv came on).
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03-11-2012, 11:36 PM #44
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03-12-2012, 08:24 AM #45
Exactly
Of course you gain weight from push ups, chin ups, heavy bag work, sparring etc
You my friend have nothing to train for.... These guys were all training 6 hours a day for months to fight in front of the world.... Not a lot of people do pushups because they are hard -- so people lift weights because it's easier....
And sure lots of boxers these days lift weights ... But they aren't ever going to be hall of famers or they arent going tO be remembered as killers.
And Roy jones only lifted weights at the end of his career
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03-12-2012, 08:27 AM #46
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04-18-2013, 08:27 AM #47
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06-29-2013, 03:16 PM #48
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08-19-2018, 04:40 PM #49
Don't talk rubbish. Lifting heavy weights won't significantly benefit fighters and is certainly not necessary. It takes up time and energy which could better be used for running and boxing training. Also heavy lifting causes fatigue which carries over into the next day meaning you won't get the most out of running or boxing. Trust me it happened to me.
Fighters aren't bodybuilders or strongmen so shouldn't train like them. It's far more beneficial for fighters to use weights for functional training rather than heavy compounds.
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