does any one know anout the new jack3d NT

[dunekingz]

i stoped into high heath(hh) looking for my second tub of jack3d; and for the people that have never tried jack3d... it is the best thing alot of people, that is if you use it correctly! i drink 90 oz of water a day when useing it(not vary fun). anyways i walked up to the counter with the jack3d, and the guy behind the desk told me that there was a new jack3d comeing out next week or so..that was last monday. does anyone know anything about the new jack3d.

thanks, joran

[mobikwa]

GNC is getting blue raspberry Jack3d and Vitamin Shoppe is getting watermelon, that's all I know about.

[Brawndo89]

jack3d blows. and drink more water brah. lets hope this new version is more than ingredients that don't work, underdosed ingredients, and a couple stims.

[shadar]

jack3d blows. and drink more water brah. lets hope this new version is more than ingredients that don't work, underdosed ingredients, and a couple stims.

I don't quite get the hate for Jack3d. What's wrong with it?

At 2 scoops (which is what the vast majority take I'd wager) it has 3g creatine (plenty), 3g BA I believe (plenty), and it has a potent stim blend. All that for a product you can often get on sale for $20-22 for 22.5 servings (at that dosage) which covers your creatine, BA and stimulant needs. And it does so with a simple set of ingredients which we pretty much know the dosage of, not a huge prop blend of 5 forms of arginine, 4 forms of creatine, 3 forms of glutamine, etc.

I prefer other products myself, but Jack3d is far from crap. It does what it is meant to do for lots of people.

[user1111]

I don't quite get the hate for Jack3d. What's wrong with it?

At 2 scoops (which is what the vast majority take I'd wager) it has 3g creatine (plenty), 3g BA I believe (plenty), and it has a potent stim blend. All that for a product you can often get on sale for $20-22 for 22.5 servings (at that dosage) which covers your creatine, BA and stimulant needs. And it does so with a simple set of ingredients which we pretty much know the dosage of, not a huge prop blend of 5 forms of arginine, 4 forms of creatine, 3 forms of glutamine, etc.

I prefer other products myself, but Jack3d is far from crap. It does what it is meant to do for lots of people.

There is a company that once bashed an ingredient in jack3d. They decided to use the ingredient and then they released a reformulation of their popular selling pre workout whose entire add campaign is geared towards attacking jack3d.

We've couldn't off asked for a better compliment.

Truth is when used as recommended 4 workouts a week. Jack3d will increase gym performance mentally and physically.

[Brawndo89]

I don't quite get the hate for Jack3d. What's wrong with it?

At 2 scoops (which is what the vast majority take I'd wager) it has 3g creatine (plenty), 3g BA I believe (plenty), and it has a potent stim blend. All that for a product you can often get on sale for $20-22 for 22.5 servings (at that dosage) which covers your creatine, BA and stimulant needs. And it does so with a simple set of ingredients which we pretty much know the dosage of, not a huge prop blend of 5 forms of arginine, 4 forms of creatine, 3 forms of glutamine, etc.

I prefer other products myself, but Jack3d is far from crap. It does what it is meant to do for lots of people.

It's definitely not as bad as others. I just don't like that you have to take 2-3 scoops to get full doses of creatine and BA, at which point for me is way too much stims. I guess most people are more resistant though. I also just don't respect any product that has arginine in it.

16 bucks for 1000g of mono= .05 cents/serving @3g
12 bucks for 250g of BA= .14 cents/serving @3g
4.50 for 120 caps of caffeine @ 200mg each .0375cents/serving
16 bucks for 200 serv of 1,3 @ 25mg each .08 cents/serving

So I can make my own jack3d for thirty cents a "scoop". And these are bb.com prices. I'm sure it'd be less if bought somewhere else.


edit: Not to mention this is all without guess how much of what you're getting in a stupid prop blend.

[mark118]

It's definitely not as bad as others. I just don't like that you have to take 2-3 scoops to get full doses of creatine and BA, at which point for me is way too much stims. I guess most people are more resistant though. I also just don't respect any product that has arginine in it.

16 bucks for 1000g of mono= .05 cents/serving @3g
12 bucks for 250g of BA= .14 cents/serving @3g
4.50 for 120 caps of caffeine @ 200mg each .0375cents/serving
16 bucks for 200 serv of 1,3 @ 25mg each .08 cents/serving

So I can make my own jack3d for thirty cents a "scoop".

we know u can make it yourself but i love the convenience of it being there ready mixed

[user1111]

It's definitely not as bad as others. I just don't like that you have to take 2-3 scoops to get full doses of creatine and BA, at which point for me is way too much stims. I guess most people are more resistant though. I also just don't respect any product that has arginine in it.

16 bucks for 1000g of mono= .05 cents/serving @3g
12 bucks for 250g of BA= .14 cents/serving @3g
4.50 for 120 caps of caffeine @ 200mg each .0375cents/serving
16 bucks for 200 serv of 1,3 @ 25mg each .08 cents/serving

So I can make my own jack3d for thirty cents a "scoop". And these are bb.com prices. I'm sure it'd be less if bought somewhere else.

the cost of Schizandrol A? A significant part of the formula.

AAKG combats the vasoconstriction of caffeine with vasolidation.

[Anteeke]

jack3d blows. and drink more water brah. lets hope this new version is more than ingredients that don't work, underdosed ingredients, and a couple stims.

Jack3d works really great for me. Just started taking 2 scoops instead of 1 1/2 and I love it.

[Brawndo89]

the cost of Schizandrol A? A significant part of the formula.

AAKG combats the vasoconstriction of caffeine with vasolidation.

arginine doesn't do **** bro

[user1111]

Jack3d works really great for me. Just started taking 2 scoops instead of 1 1/2 and I love it.

When a product becomes the number 1 selling sports nutrition product in the world...

Expect hate and obviously it will not work for everyone....

2 scoops is the right dose.

[user1111]

arginine doesn't do **** bro

That is a 'bro" response.....

[Brawndo89]

That is a 'bro" response.....

in b4 nohype

[Anteeke]

When a product becomes the number 1 selling sports nutrition product in the world...

Expect hate and obviously it will not work for everyone....

2 scoops is the right dose.

Yeah, can't please everyone. Nothing will work for every single person so it's all good.

[mark118]

When a product becomes the number 1 selling sports nutrition product in the world...

Expect hate and obviously it will not work for everyone....

2 scoops is the right dose.

yea, got a new personal best on squats the other day whilst on 2 scoops

[Peter LeDrew]

I don't quite get the hate for Jack3d. What's wrong with it?

At 2 scoops (which is what the vast majority take I'd wager) it has 3g creatine (plenty), 3g BA I believe (plenty), and it has a potent stim blend. All that for a product you can often get on sale for $20-22 for 22.5 servings (at that dosage) which covers your creatine, BA and stimulant needs. And it does so with a simple set of ingredients which we pretty much know the dosage of, not a huge prop blend of 5 forms of arginine, 4 forms of creatine, 3 forms of glutamine, etc.

I prefer other products myself, but Jack3d is far from crap. It does what it is meant to do for lots of people.

Love it or hate it, Jack3d changed the pre-workout scene for better or worse. Personally, I don't think it invented anything, but it is obvious to nearly everyone that it def. revolutionized a category.

The formula packs in many of the most effective ingredients which simply makes sense, but hand it to USPLabs for doing it first... I'm sure many companies/formulators wish they had done it first judging by the sales and I don't think sales mean everything, but there is no doubt the formula does work. I have nothing bad to say about the formula either.

[Joel282]

USPLabs Jack3d is one of the top 3 Pre-Workout Supplements I have ever tried. Its of the utmost quality, and backed by an awesome company. It helps give awesome workouts and anyone who bashes it is just a "hater" or is to "into" another product to admit Jack3d is a great product.

[Brawndo89]

Yeah, can't please everyone. Nothing will work for every single person so it's all good.

If someone says jack3d doesn't work for them, then they just have issues. The ingredients in it are good (minus arginine), I just don't want that much stims just to barely get enough creatine and BA to be a solid dose.

edit: and no I don't take another pre workout so no I'm not biased.

[Anteeke]

USPLabs Jack3d is one of the top 3 Pre-Workout Supplements I have ever tried. Its of the utmost quality, and backed by an awesome company. It helps give awesome workouts and anyone who bashes it is just a "hater" or is to "into" another product to admit Jack3d is a great product.

Not to mention that it is pretty cheap.

[TyBaseball]

It's definitely not as bad as others. I just don't like that you have to take 2-3 scoops to get full doses of creatine and BA, at which point for me is way too much stims. I guess most people are more resistant though. I also just don't respect any product that has arginine in it.

16 bucks for 1000g of mono= .05 cents/serving @3g
12 bucks for 250g of BA= .14 cents/serving @3g
4.50 for 120 caps of caffeine @ 200mg each .0375cents/serving
16 bucks for 200 serv of 1,3 @ 25mg each .08 cents/serving

So I can make my own jack3d for thirty cents a "scoop". And these are bb.com prices. I'm sure it'd be less if bought somewhere else.


edit: Not to mention this is all without guess how much of what you're getting in a stupid prop blend.

people can also make their own steaks for a fraction of the price of going to outback and buying dinner.. this works with a lot of things (make your own clothes ect...). the time it takes to measure everything out and make sure you dont F-up the measurements, its not worth it to me IMO.

[Brawndo89]

people can also make their own steaks for a fraction of the price of going to outback and buying dinner.. this works with a lot of things (make your own clothes ect...). the time it takes to measure everything out and make sure you dont F-up the measurements, its not worth it to me IMO.

It takes less than one minute to weigh three ingredients out. And cooking and making clothes is pretty different to just scooping something out lulz. Not to mention with most of those you get a scooper anyway...don't even have to weigh them out.

[Brawndo89]

brb buying RTD's because I'm too lazy to scoop out whey and shake it up.

[shadar]

the cost of Schizandrol A? A significant part of the formula.

AAKG combats the vasoconstriction of caffeine with vasolidation.

During exercise caffeine is not a vasoconstrictor according to Neuron.

Here's a bit of physiology that some people are unclear about:

During exercise, there is a localized build-up of metabolic waste products within muscle tissue that ultimately results in extracellular acidosis. Since hydrogen and potassium exist in an electrophysiological axis between the intracellular and extracellular environment, the excess extracellular hydrogen ions produced through repeated muscular contraction force potassium into the extracellular space while simultaneously moving into the cytosol (*think of it as a H+-K+ antiporter). The resultant hyperkalemic state hyperpolarizes the membrane which lowers the resting membrane potential as well as relaxing arterioles, due to lower intracellular calcium levels, resulting in vasodilation.

Since caffeine has the capacity to enhance the exodus of calcium from the sarcoplasmic reticulum after an action potential (calcium release from the SR is calcium dependent), if you remove the initial impetus for calcium release, you remove the potentiality for smooth muscle contraction (vasoconstriction). Furthermore, since caffeine also acts as a PDEI, the only possible end-state would be vasodilation.

And you should know trying to argue aakg is a vasodilator around here isn't going to get you too far. At least not unless you can bring some new research to the table which shows it is conclusively despite all the evidence that arginine is not when taken orally at the doses used in jack3d.

[Brawndo89]

During exercise caffeine is not a vasoconstrictor according to Neuron.






And you should know trying to argue aakg is a vasodilator around here isn't going to get you too far. At least not unless you can bring some new research to the table which shows it is conclusively despite all the evidence that arginine is not when taken orally at the doses used in jack3d.

50 bucks says aakg is in the new jack3d.

[shadar]

50 bucks says aakg is in the new jack3d.

Did I miss a post with Jacob confirming a new Jack3d? I have only seen him denying that Jack3d was changing... but never commenting on alternate versions of it.

I'd be quite interested in seeing what was in a new version should one come along.

[Brawndo89]

Did I miss a post with Jacob confirming a new Jack3d? I have only seen him denying that Jack3d was changing... but never commenting on alternate versions of it.

I'd be quite interested in seeing what was in a new version should one come along.

Well he didn't deny it in this thread so looks like we'll have to see

[Peter LeDrew]

During exercise caffeine is not a vasoconstrictor according to Neuron.






And you should know trying to argue aakg is a vasodilator around here isn't going to get you too far. At least not unless you can bring some new research to the table which shows it is conclusively despite all the evidence that arginine is not when taken orally at the doses used in jack3d.

Neuron is dead on... but I don't think arginine is dead just yet... if not much benefit with regards to NO there is also other positive research out there. I guess I just don't think it is a completely useless ingredient like some seem to suggest. ie. you could add in worse ingredients. Nutritional science is def. a complex and evolving topic.

[shadar]

Neuron is dead on... but I don't think arginine is dead just yet... if not much benefit with regards to NO there is also other positive research out there. I guess I just don't think it is a completely useless ingredient like some seem to suggest. ie. you could add in worse ingredients. Nutritional science is def. a complex and evolving topic.

Do you like arginine in a pre-workout role, or perhaps some other role?

It doesn't kill a product in my mind, but it also doesn't come close to making a product either. It's kind of like glutamine in my mind. I'd rather it not be included if the cost would be lower without it, but I don't go out of my way to avoid it if I like the rest of the product.

[user1111]

During exercise caffeine is not a vasoconstrictor according to Neuron.






And you should know trying to argue aakg is a vasodilator around here isn't going to get you too far. At least not unless you can bring some new research to the table which shows it is conclusively despite all the evidence that arginine is not when taken orally at the doses used in jack3d.

We know it cause vasolidation by using it..

MRI NO2 made a living out of the effect and created a new category around it...

Science and real life don't always tell the same story...

[user1111]

Did I miss a post with Jacob confirming a new Jack3d? I have only seen him denying that Jack3d was changing... but never commenting on alternate versions of it.

I'd be quite interested in seeing what was in a new version should one come along.

You can't change a formula and still claim University study...so no way.

I've heard the company that loves to use the NT prefix is coming out with something similiar...that may be his confusion.