About SLEEP - You will be shocked.

[Agumon]

I often will wakeup about an hour to two hours before i need to get up (typically after about 4-5 hours of sleep) and feel energetic and ready to start my day. However I go back to sleep until I *need* to get up and I usually feel more tired when I actually get up.

I should try starting my day when I naturally awake and going to bed earlier to make up for the sleep.

Nice write-up, repped

You said everything correctly until the last part. If you feel energetic in your day with 5 hours of sleep, that means it's all you need. You don't need to "make up" for anything, enjoy your longer day! You can go to bed later so you wake up when you *need* to get up.

And thanks, best of luck to you!

[benzz]

Amazing post bro repped for life. this is very useful info

also

[Agumon]

Amazing post bro repped for life. this is very useful info

also

LOL thanks but what the hell is up with the cat? I keep seeing it on every thread ...

[SeanP35]

The simplest way to wake up awake is try to sleep as long as a multiple of 90. So 1 1/2 hours, 3 hours, 4 1/2 hours, 6 hours, 7 1/2 hours, 9 hours, etc, though I can't see many people going past 9 hours. You'll almost always feel awake and ready to go if you do this.

[Agumon]

The simplest way to wake up awake is try to sleep as long as a multiple of 90. So 1 1/2 hours, 3 hours, 4 1/2 hours, 6 hours, 7 1/2 hours, 9 hours, etc, though I can't see many people going past 9 hours. You'll almost always feel awake and ready to go if you do this.

Yes but 90 minutes is an average. So people with 60 minutes would obviously have the options of 1 hour, 2, 3, 4 etc...

[SeanP35]

Yes but 90 minutes is an average. So people with 60 minutes would obviously have the options of 1 hour, 2, 3, 4 etc...

It is far more common for the sleep cycle to last approximately 90 minutes, though it has the possibility to vary from 60 to 90. Chances are you're never going to know exactly how long your sleep cycle lasts.

[Roman_God]

4-6hrs is an optimal battery recharge for this Machine right here!

[Agumon]

It is far more common for the sleep cycle to last approximately 90 minutes, though it has the possibility to vary from 60 to 90. Chances are you're never going to know exactly how long your sleep cycle lasts.

Yes it's common, and it can vary from 60 to 120. You can work out how long your sleep cycle lasts, you can do a plan that will last for a week where you go to sleep at the same time everyday, do the math for the sleep cycles and then make an average.

I found out my precise sleep cycle duration that way.

4-6hrs is an optimal battery recharge for this Machine right here!

Good for you! It's either gonna be 4 or 6 though, I'd stick with the 6 .

[musclefreak69]

Yes it's common, and it can vary from 60 to 120. You can work out how long your sleep cycle lasts, you can do a plan that will last for a week where you go to sleep at the same time everyday, do the math for the sleep cycles and then make an average.

I found out my precise sleep cycle duration that way.



Good for you! It's either gonna be 4 or 6 though, I'd stick with the 6 .

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[baco_bacon]

Awesome!!! Thanks a lot for all this

[mapleridge]

Learnt this in psychology....all the different REM stages and what not..

good read nonetheless.

yeah me too
its funny though, i'm paying more attention now then i was in class ahaha

[Agumon]

yeah me too
its funny though, i'm paying more attention now then i was in class ahaha

Must be my amazing writing skeelz .

[.Excalibur]

Great read, i already knew about all the sleep cycles and whatnot, but I have one question thats semi-related:
If I sleep in multiples of 90 minutes from the time I fall asleep, how do I know exactly when I fall asleep, and then add a multiple of 90 minute to it?

[xhaihappen]

Well since you sometimes "wake up fresh and fit", it means you have just finished a cycle. And if you're "dead" after 4-5 hours even if you wake up fresh, it means you just need more than 8-9 hours of sleep. This is pretty unusual and yes it might be because of all the sleepless nights in your early teens. Try sleeping for much longer for 2 weeks and then go back to 8-9 hours again and see how you feel. Best of luck!

P.S. Nice to see a German teen among us!

Thanks for the tips man! Will try! And don't you ever dare to call me German!
Hahaha, jk I'm Romanian though. But I guess you can call me the German teen xD

[Joe15mass]

So Agumon, after knowing all this you now always get a great night of sleep and don't feel tired/sleepy througout the day anymore?

I really hope I can crack this. I'm a person that really needs a good night of sleep to function properly throughout the day. But it seems I have rarely ever woken up at the perfect moment when the cycles end. I am absolutely not a mourning person, but one day I woke up at 5:30 after about 9 hours of sleep and I felt so energized and my eyes wouldn't close anymore lol. I wish I woke up that way every day.

[Joe15mass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXQTDjsqxIU

Sounds like this Sleep Cycle from Iphone does everything for you.
Is there any other device like this out there? I don't feel like buying an Iphone just to be able to use this Sleep Cycle thing.

[Agumon]

Great read, i already knew about all the sleep cycles and whatnot, but I have one question thats semi-related:
If I sleep in multiples of 90 minutes from the time I fall asleep, how do I know exactly when I fall asleep, and then add a multiple of 90 minute to it?

Guess the time you take to fall asleep. I usually take 10 minutes, roughly.

Or take a clock / watch into your bed and keep looking at how many minutes have passed (while trying to fall asleep), keep remembering this... In the morning you will have the time it took you to sleep recorded in your head.

Alternatively, you can always get someone else to time you.

Remember though, 90 minutes is only an average. Plus, I hope you meant 'additions' of 90, and not "multiples" .

Thanks for the tips man! Will try! And don't you ever dare to call me German!
Hahaha, jk I'm Romanian though. But I guess you can call me the German teen xD

Heh, I assumed that from your "Location", I'm guessing you just live in Germany then?

So Agumon, after knowing all this you now always get a great night of sleep and don't feel tired/sleepy througout the day anymore?

I really hope I can crack this. I'm a person that really needs a good night of sleep to function properly throughout the day. But it seems I have rarely ever woken up at the perfect moment when the cycles end. I am absolutely not a mourning person, but one day I woke up at 5:30 after about 9 hours of sleep and I felt so energized and my eyes wouldn't close anymore lol. I wish I woke up that way every day.

Yes, I always get good sleep and never feel tired anymore. And you say you woke up after 9 hours of sleep and felt great... How many hours do you sleep through usually? Provide me with more details so I can help you out.

P.S. If you learn these things, you don't need any app to help you at all.

[Joe15mass]

Guess the time you take to fall asleep. I usually take 10 minutes, roughly.

Or take a clock / watch into your bed and keep looking at how many minutes have passed (while trying to fall asleep), keep remembering this... In the morning you will have the time it took you to sleep recorded in your head.

Alternatively, you can always get someone else to time you.

Remember though, 90 minutes is only an average. Plus, I hope you meant 'additions' of 90, and not "multiples" .



Heh, I assumed that from your "Location", I'm guessing you just live in Germany then?



Yes, I always get good sleep and never feel tired anymore. And you say you woke up after 9 hours of sleep and felt great... How many hours do you sleep through usually? Provide me with more details so I can help you out.

P.S. If you learn these things, you don't need any app to help you at all.

I usually sleep 6 to 7 hours. I always notice it being better when I sleep 8 or more hours. I think the perfect amount is somewhere around 8.5 and 9 hours but it's hard to get it right.

[Agumon]

I usually sleep 6 to 7 hours. I always notice it being better when I sleep 8 or more hours. I think the perfect amount is somewhere around 8.5 and 9 hours but it's hard to get it right.

Eliminate disturbances and just keep sleeping. When you wake up naturally, look at how many hours you've slept and that will be the time you need daily.

If you're always tired, 6 to 7 hours can't be enough for you.

[ChosenBrah]

sweet

[paulpker121]

Great thread, thanks a ton for the in depth help over PM.

[.Excalibur]

I think I need about 5 hours of sleep daily.
Yesterday I fell asleep around 11:30 pm, and woke up at 5:13am on my own, an I feel great!

[panaxxIX]

No, as I said in the thread (highlighted red writing), you need a certain amount of hours where your body completes all its processes needed for a healthy day. Waking up feeling great isn't everything. The amount of hours needed varies from person to person and some DO only need 2, but those are rare cases.

So when you find out how many hours you need and what your sleep cycle duration is, adjust your bedtime so that when the alarm goes off, you will have just finished a cycle, resulting in you feeling great AND having lots of energy throughout the whole day .

how are you supposed to find out how many hours you need and your sleep cycle? like is it just a guessing game? cause if i go to sleep and sleep till i wake up its usually like 10 hours and i wake up feeling like ****. i dont think ive ever in my life woken up feeling good and in a good mood and im ALWAYSSS tired throughout my day

[lmaonade123]

"If you naturally wake up earlier than most people (without interruptions), that will mean you need less cycles than most people."

So if I naturally wake up after 12-13 hours of sleep I should try to get that much daily? Because I can honestly say that's not gonna work out.

[tastro]

great article mate! this one should be sticked. thank you.

[JeffyDOS]

I learned all of this in anatomy and physiology, but thanks I guess.

[RapBlacksmith]

any tips on how to fall asleep. thats what i have trouble with
sometimes i lie in bed for over an hour

[hot4hotz]

dont forget about sleep paralysis. that sht is fkin hella scary especially when u start seeing scary sht or cant breath.

[hot4hotz]

btw what type of workout like legs, biceps, etc. would u be doing if u were doing deadlifts

[Agumon]

Great thread, thanks a ton for the in depth help over PM.

No problem man, if you got more questions, ask away!

I think I need about 5 hours of sleep daily.
Yesterday I fell asleep around 11:30 pm, and woke up at 5:13am on my own, an I feel great!

Good for you, keep it up .

how are you supposed to find out how many hours you need and your sleep cycle? like is it just a guessing game? cause if i go to sleep and sleep till i wake up its usually like 10 hours and i wake up feeling like ****. i dont think ive ever in my life woken up feeling good and in a good mood and im ALWAYSSS tired throughout my day

Eliminate disturbances and try again. If you sleep for 10 hours and wake up naturally + feel great, that'll mean you have just ended a cycle. You most likely won't need as much as 10 hours, so subtract 90 minutes from that the next night and see how you feel in the morning. You gotta experiment with these things, it's always different for everyone.

In my above posts I gave instructions on how to find your sleep cycle duration; read it and try it .

"If you naturally wake up earlier than most people (without interruptions), that will mean you need less cycles than most people."

So if I naturally wake up after 12-13 hours of sleep I should try to get that much daily? Because I can honestly say that's not gonna work out.

No, because in most cases people don't need 12-13 hours of sleep. If you do that, you're just repeating cycles on empty and not doing anything useful. Reduce the amount to around 8-9 hours; if you feel fine, reduce it further and see how you feel. The lower the better, since you would save so much time in the day.

great article mate! this one should be sticked. thank you.

Thanks for the support bro!

any tips on how to fall asleep. thats what i have trouble with
sometimes i lie in bed for over an hour

Create a calm, cool, quiet & dark environment, make sure you're warm under your blankets. Grab a bite to eat before bed too. When lying down, put your arms flat on your bed, parallel to your body, so that the blood flow is supported. Sometimes people masturbate to help them relax the muscles and sleep.

Apart from that, I always find this very helpful; get into your usual sleeping position, shut your eyes and force yourself not to move at all. After a while you'll just fall asleep, this always helps me if I'm having trouble. Best of luck!