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    if protein is broken down into amino acids...why need for shakes?

    if the stomach is breaking down all proteins into amino acids, whats the bonus to protein powders over amino acid products besides the calories which you can just get from food.?


    This isnt me telling anyone what to do...I just read about the stomach breaking all protein into amino acids and it was very vague so need some smart people to chime in.
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    show me an amino acid supplement that provides all the nonessential and essential amino acids?
    I've never seen one.
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    Originally Posted by Rawthentik View Post
    show me an amino acid supplement that provides all the nonessential and essential amino acids?
    I've never seen one.
    this is the answers im after.

    after reading what I read about all the break downs and different amino acids, im giving up cheap protein powders, cutting down powder intake and buying high quality.
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    if protein is broken down into amino acids...why need for food?
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    how does eat food?
    "Don't ask for a lighter load, ask for a stronger back."

    If I buy milk from the grocery store and get it home only to realize that the jug is expiring tomorrow...I sure as hell am not driving to punch a farmer in the face and tip his cow over.
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    Brb spending a fukking fortune on BCAAs and never eating chicken or beef ever again
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    Originally Posted by Dymethazine View Post
    if protein is broken down into amino acids...why need for food?
    Originally Posted by askem View Post
    Brb spending a fukking fortune on BCAAs and never eating chicken or beef ever again
    this is waayyy off from what I was asking..talking about protein powders not foods...
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    Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    this is the answers im after.

    after reading what I read about all the break downs and different amino acids, im giving up cheap protein powders, cutting down powder intake and buying high quality.
    dont protein powders typically contain more amino acids then an amino acid supplement?
    Like if you take an amino acid supplement as you asked about im sure youd be missin out on select acids you would have got from a protein powder ??
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    Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    this is waayyy off from what I was asking..talking about protein powders not foods...
    So what are you asking? Are you trying to avoid whey post workout and instead down bcaas instead? So forget 50g of protein and instead consume 50g of bcaa? You realize how expensive that is?
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    Originally Posted by Rawthentik View Post
    dont protein powders typically contain more amino acids then an amino acid supplement?
    Like if you take an amino acid supplement as you asked about im sure youd be missin out on select acids you would have got from a protein powder ??
    yeah thats kinda what im asking..seems thats the answer.

    reading about different foods to combine to get a wide range of amino acids..pretty interesting stuff!
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    Originally Posted by askem View Post
    So what are you asking? Are you trying to avoid whey post workout and instead down bcaas instead? So forget 50g of protein and instead consume 50g of bcaa? You realize how expensive that is?
    no was asking a vary broad question. just what you get out of each... I wasn't assuming I can drink 50g BCAAs...but now that you mention that how many grams of amino acids would you actually get out of say 30grams of a protein powder?..is it close?

    and this isnt a question about WHAT should I do or buy just learning about how it all works.
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    look into scivation's xtend study.



    idk, if true or not, but i like xtend. just purchased (3) 90 serving tubs.
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    Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    no was asking a vary broad question. just what you get out of each... I wasn't assuming I can drink 50g BCAAs...but now that you mention that how many grams of amino acids would you actually get out of say 30grams of a protein powder?..is it close?

    and this isnt a question about WHAT should I do or buy just learning about how it all works.
    Ohh ok. Gotcha
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    Originally Posted by Rawthentik View Post
    show me an amino acid supplement that provides all the nonessential and essential amino acids?
    I've never seen one.
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    that has protein? DFA said whats the bonus in consuming supplements containing protein if you can get amino acids from amino acid supplements (as in contain no protein?)
    plus those dosings of acids are relatively low.
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    Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    if the stomach is breaking down all proteins into amino acids, whats the bonus to protein powders over amino acid products besides the calories which you can just get from food.?
    Originally Posted by Rawthentik View Post
    that has protein? DFA said whats the bonus in consuming supplements containing protein if you can get amino acids from amino acid supplements (as in contain no protein?)
    plus those dosings of acids are relatively low.
    actually he said protein powders and not supplements containing protein. there is a difference. the supplements that contain protein are not really considered a protein powder.
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    its basically a protein supplement, the low amino acid content is a result of the low protein content, its a weak protein supplement. protein powders contain more protein resulting in more mg per amino acids, i dont see how you would call an amino supplement an amino supplement when it contains protein, in that case you could call protein powders, amino supplements aswell?
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    Originally Posted by Rawthentik View Post
    its basically a protein supplement, the low amino acid content is a result of the low protein content, its a weak protein supplement. protein powders contain more protein resulting in more mg per amino acids, i dont see how you would call an amino supplement an amino supplement when it contains protein, in that case you could call protein powders, amino supplements aswell?
    so you're saying Intrabolic, Intrafuse, and Intra-Aid are actually protein powders?
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    Originally Posted by quank View Post
    so you're saying Intrabolic, Intrafuse, and Intra-Aid are actually protein powders?
    idk, do they contain protein and is there amino acid amount reflected on their protein content? and im sure these supplements have more then just amino acids/protein correct?
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    Originally Posted by Rawthentik View Post
    idk, do they contain protein and is there amino acid amount reflected on their protein content? and im sure these supplements have more then just amino acids/protein correct?
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ae/intrabolic.html

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/neo/intrafuse.html

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/intraaid.html
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    um, those dont have all the typical amino acids as seen in a protein supplement like what I asked for or like the prolab you posted correct?, protein supplements usually contain all the typicals,

    Tryptophan
    Valine
    Threonine
    Isoleucine
    Leucine
    Lysine
    Phenylalanine
    Methionine
    Conditionally Essential Amino Acids (CAAs)
    Arginine
    Cystine
    Tyrosine
    Histidine
    Proline
    Glutamine & Precursors
    Nonessential Amino Acids (NAAs)
    Aspartic Acid
    Serine
    Glycine
    Alanine
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    if you buy Pink Magic, then you don't need protein or amino acids



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    FYI, free-form aminos have the same caloric value as peptide-bonded proteins. The two reasons for using complete proteins versus free form are a variance in digestive rates (free-form aminos are rapidly absorbed but also don't peak amino levels for prolonged periods of times) and di- and tri- peptides are more efficiently absorbed than free-form aminos are.
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    Empyrean Peptibolic contains all 20 amino acids and are in the form of di and tri peptides.
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    Proteins are the building blocks of everything and different amino acid sequences build proteins. The characteristics of a proteins is determined by the sequence in which the amino acids are arranged. There are many types of proteins.
    1. Structural proteins: Keratin of hair and nails, collagen of bone. others for different functions
    2. Enzymes
    3. Transport
    4. Hormonal Proteins
    5. Contractile proteins
    6. Storage proteins
    7. Genetic proteins
    8. Defense proteins
    9. Receptor proteins
    Not all proteins are used for bodybuilding as most people would assume on here.
    Your body only breaks down proteins as it needs to, for whichever function it needs it needs the amino acids for to form a new type of protein. If a person is to take whole proteins than your body doesn't have to break it down if it fits the immediate need of the body for the function which it has to provide and it is complete as it is, like for repairing broken down muscle fibers, which happens after training. BCAA's can be used but they still have to form a protein to help with building the muscle and they are really expensive and require large amounts.
    Whey powders usually contain all the amino acids. There are a total of 20 amino acids which are involved in human protein synthesis of which not all are essential, meaning that of those 20, 10 are synthesized by the body and need not be present in the diet. The 10 that have to present in the diet are Arginine, Methionine, Leucine, Lysine, Phenylalanine, Threonine, Tryptophan, Valine, Histidine and Isoleucine.
    You shouldn't buy amino acid products as you don't really need them if your using whole foods and protein powder.
    Besides the other nutritional needs for foods like chicken, they have all of the essential amino acids you need. You still require FFA's and minerals and other things your body needs so you cant just give up food and start taking BCAA's and other crap. Besides you can replace the taste. (-:
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