theres so much peanut butter and jelly in my kitchen so when i start my bulk i was wondering if i should snack up on that. Peanut butter has lots of protein and jelly has a lot of calories i could work with. Im thinkin 3-4 PB&Js a day along with the basics. Good or nahh?
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Thread: PB&J good for bulk?
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08-09-2010, 12:12 AM #1
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08-09-2010, 12:15 AM #2
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08-09-2010, 12:38 AM #4
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Lol. You don't understand nutrition.
"cleaner calories"? All calories are clean. It's a measurement of energy. It cannot be clean or dirty.
Sugar doesn't necessarily mean it's going to go to fat. It's going to be first to be used, and then stored, but it's not a bad thing to have on a bulk.@24HrTrainerNOLA
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08-09-2010, 01:07 AM #5
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08-09-2010, 01:20 AM #6
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No, because it doesn't make sense. A calorie cannot be clean or dirty. Regardless of its source. A calorie can come from fat, protein, or carbohydrates. None of those things are inherently dirty.
He talks about jelly being a dirty food. Like it's going to make you fat. Or that you can't have it on a "clean" diet. And that's just not the case.@24HrTrainerNOLA
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08-09-2010, 01:30 AM #7
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08-09-2010, 02:09 AM #8
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08-09-2010, 02:35 AM #9
I really disagree again, for example; why do people talk about 40%, 20%, 40%, for protein fat carbs etc so what the 'contents' of the calories clearly affects results...
And how can you not believe that 4000 calories of chocolate would give lesser results than 4000 calories of good chicken, pasta, oats, meat etc.
It's not just calorie deficit and surplus that increase fat gain, what the calories are made up of effect how available they are to be used as energy and not stored etc. I'm no expert on this by any means but this is quite obvious.Deadlift: 441
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08-09-2010, 02:50 AM #10
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Because they want to properly fuel their body. Nutrient ratios don't have anything to do with losing weight. They might be used by people losing weight but they are completely irrelevant to each other.
What results are we talking about? Weight loss? Then yes, it will be the same. A calorie is a calorie.
It's entirely calorie deficit and surplus. You may not feel awesome while on a diet of entirely chocolate but as long as you have a caloric deficit of the same magnitude as you would with the oats, chicken etc the weight loss will be the same. Your body isn't going to store calories when it's in a caloric deficit regardless if it's mostly sugar. It's going to burn them all then start burning fat exactly the same way, every time.
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08-09-2010, 03:40 AM #11
I'm not just talking about weight gain / loss, I'm also considering how much of that weight is fat. Where you get your calories from WILL affect your outcome, whether aesthetically or your 'insides'.
Anyway zoot didn't mention weight gain and how jelly will make you gain more weight than oats for example he said it will make that weight more fatty and he's right.
You can't be sugesting you get the same results no matter what you eat as long as you have 'x' amount of calories.
Protein needs to be considered for muscle gain, carbs for good energy etc.Deadlift: 441
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08-09-2010, 04:31 AM #12
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Your body can only produce so much muscle so after a minimum amount of protein it doesn't really matter if the rest of your calories come in sugar. Sugar is the first to be turned into fat if there is a surplus but that doesn't matter because the amount your overeating is planned so you'd be storing those calories anyway, whether or not they were sugar.
I'm high. I don't want to argue anymore, I'm just gonna state my position as simple as possible and I'm done.
So, if you're gaining weight, after your BW in protein, a calorie is a calorie.
If you're losing weight, unconcerned with LBM loss, a calorie is a calorie
If you're losing weight, concerned with LBM loss, after your BW in protein, a calorie is a calorie.
And eating sugar does not inherently increase your fat gain.
Pic unrelated.
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08-09-2010, 05:14 AM #13
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08-09-2010, 05:56 AM #14
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08-09-2010, 06:18 AM #15
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08-09-2010, 06:28 AM #16
On a bulk your main concern is keeping fats relatively low. Thats not to say you cant have any fat, theyre just not going to be used for energy (as much) when theres an abundance of carbs in your diet.
Its best to avoid high GI carbs wherever you can, except for post workout where theyre the best option. Aim for low GI carb foods at any other time of day and dont be extremely excessive with your caloric intake <1000cals over maintenance.
Do this all this and you cant really go wrong.
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08-09-2010, 06:31 AM #17
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08-09-2010, 06:31 AM #18
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08-09-2010, 06:40 AM #19
Sure fats are good. Just not excessive amount when youre going to be prioritising carbs as fuel. Around 40g a day is good on a bulk, staying away from sat fats is even better.
If youre eating over maintenance; fat not used for energy will likely be stored as body fat. At least if youre taking in a higher proportion of carbs they have a chance of being used to repair muscle or be stored as glycogen before theyre stored as body fat.
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08-09-2010, 06:54 AM #20
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08-09-2010, 07:07 AM #21
The whole idea of eating over maintenance on a bulk is to give your muscles more opportunity to be repaired - to grow. Carbs are better than fats for doing this particular job. Therefore eating fats when carbs are better for the job is not the wisest move.
Let me put it this way. Say youre on a bulk which is 500cals over maintenance.
If this excess energy comes from fats then the cals will most likely be stored as bodyfat for a few reasons.
1 - fats arent as useful as carbs for building muscle.
2 - the fats will not be used to fuel everyday activities and bodily functions because they are surplus to requirements - they are the excess calories afterall.
3 - they cant be used to refill muscle glycogen.
However if the 500cals were to come from carbs they would have the potential to be used to repair muscles, to be stored as glycogen and THEN to be stored as bodyfat.
Basically carb cals have better potential to be put to use for the purpose of staying lean while gaining muscle - bulking.
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08-09-2010, 07:58 AM #22
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08-09-2010, 08:47 AM #23
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08-09-2010, 08:54 AM #24
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08-09-2010, 08:56 AM #25
My extra crunchy JIFF I just bought yesterday is 13g fat and 7g protein per 2Tbsp.
When I make a peanut butter sammich (wheat bread), I think I do around 4 Tbsp, I glob it all on there. So thats 26g fat and 14g protein. Not a very good ratio but this is a healthier fat... and I do this 2-4 days a week, not everydayMisc jawbrah appreciation crew
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08-09-2010, 08:56 AM #26
I'm a noob at nutrition, but there's something i doubt about 1000 calories of McD's cheeseburger being the same as 1000 calories of fruits, veggies, oats, and eggs
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