PB&J good for bulk?

[slinde88]

theres so much peanut butter and jelly in my kitchen so when i start my bulk i was wondering if i should snack up on that. Peanut butter has lots of protein and jelly has a lot of calories i could work with. Im thinkin 3-4 PB&Js a day along with the basics. Good or nahh?

[milkfat343]

its good

[zoot494]

good...but you can find cleaner calories than jelly, its fatty and sugary, while good for gaining weight, you dont wanna gain fat...

I personally like carrots+peanut butter O.O or peanut butter+apples (some ppl like celery with it, im not a fan)

[the1satanfears]

good...but you can find cleaner calories than jelly, its fatty and sugary, while good for gaining weight, you dont wanna gain fat...

I personally like carrots+peanut butter O.O or peanut butter+apples (some ppl like celery with it, im not a fan)

Lol. You don't understand nutrition.

"cleaner calories"? All calories are clean. It's a measurement of energy. It cannot be clean or dirty.

Sugar doesn't necessarily mean it's going to go to fat. It's going to be first to be used, and then stored, but it's not a bad thing to have on a bulk.

[Simeonie]

Lol. You don't understand nutrition.

"cleaner calories"? All calories are clean. It's a measurement of energy. It cannot be clean or dirty.

Sugar doesn't necessarily mean it's going to go to fat. It's going to be first to be used, and then stored, but it's not a bad thing to have on a bulk.

People just say 'cleaner calories' as an expression for when you get your calories from foods with less healthy contents. clean or dirty calories is a perfectly good way of explaining what he means.

[the1satanfears]

People just say 'cleaner calories' as an expression for when you get your calories from foods with less healthy contents. clean or dirty calories is a perfectly good way of explaining what he means.

No, because it doesn't make sense. A calorie cannot be clean or dirty. Regardless of its source. A calorie can come from fat, protein, or carbohydrates. None of those things are inherently dirty.

He talks about jelly being a dirty food. Like it's going to make you fat. Or that you can't have it on a "clean" diet. And that's just not the case.

[Simeonie]

No, because it doesn't make sense. A calorie cannot be clean or dirty. Regardless of its source. A calorie can come from fat, protein, or carbohydrates. None of those things are inherently dirty.

He talks about jelly being a dirty food. Like it's going to make you fat. Or that you can't have it on a "clean" diet. And that's just not the case.

It really does make sense, if you get 4000 calories per day from foods such as chicken, oats, a bit of fruit etc it is going to give much leaner results that 4000 calories per day from chocolate. Extreme example I know, but that's what people mean.

[Alteredmind]

It really does make sense, if you get 4000 calories per day from foods such as chicken, oats, a bit of fruit etc it is going to give much leaner results that 4000 calories per day from chocolate. Extreme example I know, but that's what people mean.

I don't believe that's true. Fat loss and gain is controlled by caloric deficit or surplus. It shouldn't matter that the 4000 calories are from chocolate, 4000 calories is 4000 calories. What would really happen is your body would be poorly fueled and not perform well.

[Simeonie]

I don't believe that's true. Fat loss and gain is controlled by caloric deficit or surplus. It shouldn't matter that the 4000 calories are from chocolate, 4000 calories is 4000 calories. What would really happen is your body would be poorly fueled and not perform well.

I really disagree again, for example; why do people talk about 40%, 20%, 40%, for protein fat carbs etc so what the 'contents' of the calories clearly affects results...

And how can you not believe that 4000 calories of chocolate would give lesser results than 4000 calories of good chicken, pasta, oats, meat etc.

It's not just calorie deficit and surplus that increase fat gain, what the calories are made up of effect how available they are to be used as energy and not stored etc. I'm no expert on this by any means but this is quite obvious.

[Alteredmind]

I really disagree again, for example; why do people talk about 40%, 20%, 40%, for protein fat carbs etc so what the 'contents' of the calories clearly affects results...

And how can you not believe that 4000 calories of chocolate would give lesser results than 4000 calories of good chicken, pasta, oats, meat etc.

It's not just calorie deficit and surplus that increase fat gain, what the calories are made up of effect how available they are to be used as energy and not stored etc. I'm no expert on this by any means but this is quite obvious.

Because they want to properly fuel their body. Nutrient ratios don't have anything to do with losing weight. They might be used by people losing weight but they are completely irrelevant to each other.

What results are we talking about? Weight loss? Then yes, it will be the same. A calorie is a calorie.

It's entirely calorie deficit and surplus. You may not feel awesome while on a diet of entirely chocolate but as long as you have a caloric deficit of the same magnitude as you would with the oats, chicken etc the weight loss will be the same. Your body isn't going to store calories when it's in a caloric deficit regardless if it's mostly sugar. It's going to burn them all then start burning fat exactly the same way, every time.

[Simeonie]

I'm not just talking about weight gain / loss, I'm also considering how much of that weight is fat. Where you get your calories from WILL affect your outcome, whether aesthetically or your 'insides'.

Anyway zoot didn't mention weight gain and how jelly will make you gain more weight than oats for example he said it will make that weight more fatty and he's right.

You can't be sugesting you get the same results no matter what you eat as long as you have 'x' amount of calories.

Protein needs to be considered for muscle gain, carbs for good energy etc.

[Alteredmind]

I'm not just talking about weight gain / loss, I'm also considering how much of that weight is fat. Where you get your calories from WILL affect your outcome, whether aesthetically or your 'insides'.

Anyway zoot didn't mention weight gain and how jelly will make you gain more weight than oats for example he said it will make that weight more fatty and he's right.

You can't be sugesting you get the same results no matter what you eat as long as you have 'x' amount of calories.

Protein needs to be considered for muscle gain, carbs for good energy etc.

Your body can only produce so much muscle so after a minimum amount of protein it doesn't really matter if the rest of your calories come in sugar. Sugar is the first to be turned into fat if there is a surplus but that doesn't matter because the amount your overeating is planned so you'd be storing those calories anyway, whether or not they were sugar.

I'm high. I don't want to argue anymore, I'm just gonna state my position as simple as possible and I'm done.

So, if you're gaining weight, after your BW in protein, a calorie is a calorie.
If you're losing weight, unconcerned with LBM loss, a calorie is a calorie
If you're losing weight, concerned with LBM loss, after your BW in protein, a calorie is a calorie.

And eating sugar does not inherently increase your fat gain.

Pic unrelated.

[B-ryminD09]

pb isn't high in protein, it is high in fat.

but pb n' j is fine.

[xStriker7]

It's good to get an easy extra 500 cals down if you throw that down with some milk. Make sure you are eating chicken,beef oats and potatoes over those carbs and protein though.

[Devin_Galicia]

Peanutbutter is great on a bulk and jelly is alright.

[Mr.NoPrint]

On a bulk your main concern is keeping fats relatively low. Thats not to say you cant have any fat, theyre just not going to be used for energy (as much) when theres an abundance of carbs in your diet.
Its best to avoid high GI carbs wherever you can, except for post workout where theyre the best option. Aim for low GI carb foods at any other time of day and dont be extremely excessive with your caloric intake <1000cals over maintenance.
Do this all this and you cant really go wrong.

[PureLoGik]

It really does make sense, if you get 4000 calories per day from foods such as chicken, oats, a bit of fruit etc it is going to give much leaner results that 4000 calories per day from chocolate. Extreme example I know, but that's what people mean.

It would give better results of gaining muscle wise. Chocolate has like a gram of protein if that. lols

I don't believe that's true. Fat loss and gain is controlled by caloric deficit or surplus. It shouldn't matter that the 4000 calories are from chocolate, 4000 calories is 4000 calories. What would really happen is your body would be poorly fueled and not perform well.

This^. I always use Nate as an example. This guy cuts on double cheeseburgers lol. Its about how much you intake.

[Devin_Galicia]

On a bulk your main concern is keeping fats relatively low. Thats not to say you cant have any fat, theyre just not going to be used for energy (as much) when theres an abundance of carbs in your diet.
Its best to avoid high GI carbs wherever you can, except for post workout where theyre the best option. Aim for low GI carb foods at any other time of day and dont be extremely excessive with your caloric intake <1000cals over maintenance.
Do this all this and you cant really go wrong.

Whats your sources for that? Fats are good for you.

[Mr.NoPrint]

Whats your sources for that? Fats are good for you.

Sure fats are good. Just not excessive amount when youre going to be prioritising carbs as fuel. Around 40g a day is good on a bulk, staying away from sat fats is even better.

If youre eating over maintenance; fat not used for energy will likely be stored as body fat. At least if youre taking in a higher proportion of carbs they have a chance of being used to repair muscle or be stored as glycogen before theyre stored as body fat.

[Devin_Galicia]

Sure fats are good. Just not excessive amount when youre going to be prioritising carbs as fuel. Around 40g a day is good on a bulk, staying away from sat fats is even better.

If youre eating over maintenance; fat not used for energy will likely be stored as body fat. At least if youre taking in a higher proportion of carbs they have a chance of being used to repair muscle or be stored as glycogen before theyre stored as body fat.

Any calories you don't use will be stored as body fat. And well yeah your suppose to be getting in more grams of carbs that fat anyways. For a balanced diet, around 30 percent of you eat daily in calories should be from fattttttttt.

[Mr.NoPrint]

Any calories you don't use will be stored as body fat. And well yeah your suppose to be getting in more grams of carbs that fat anyways.

The whole idea of eating over maintenance on a bulk is to give your muscles more opportunity to be repaired - to grow. Carbs are better than fats for doing this particular job. Therefore eating fats when carbs are better for the job is not the wisest move.

Let me put it this way. Say youre on a bulk which is 500cals over maintenance.
If this excess energy comes from fats then the cals will most likely be stored as bodyfat for a few reasons.
1 - fats arent as useful as carbs for building muscle.
2 - the fats will not be used to fuel everyday activities and bodily functions because they are surplus to requirements - they are the excess calories afterall.
3 - they cant be used to refill muscle glycogen.
However if the 500cals were to come from carbs they would have the potential to be used to repair muscles, to be stored as glycogen and THEN to be stored as bodyfat.

Basically carb cals have better potential to be put to use for the purpose of staying lean while gaining muscle - bulking.

[Scott.]

wow people who don't know about nutrition STOP POSTING SH!T, jesus christ.

Mr No Print and T1SF good posts

[Devin_Galicia]

wow people who don't know about nutrition STOP POSTING SH!T, jesus christ.

Mr No Print and T1SF good posts

Whats wrong with my nutrition info smart ass?
The other guy was pretty wrong imo.

[Crauuuuk]

Whats wrong with my nutrition info smart ass?
The other guy was pretty wrong imo.

l.m.a.o.

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[theculture]

My extra crunchy JIFF I just bought yesterday is 13g fat and 7g protein per 2Tbsp.
When I make a peanut butter sammich (wheat bread), I think I do around 4 Tbsp, I glob it all on there. So thats 26g fat and 14g protein. Not a very good ratio but this is a healthier fat... and I do this 2-4 days a week, not everyday

[talligator]

I'm a noob at nutrition, but there's something i doubt about 1000 calories of McD's cheeseburger being the same as 1000 calories of fruits, veggies, oats, and eggs

enlighten me?

[Devin_Galicia]

l.m.a.o.

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It was a honest question and I still don't see anything wrong with what I posted... lol

[Devin_Galicia]

I'm a noob at nutrition, but there's something i doubt about 1000 calories of McD's cheeseburger being the same as 1000 calories of fruits, veggies, oats, and eggs

enlighten me?

A calories is a calories is a calorie, but fruits and veggies is very nutritious while Mc Donalds is high in protein and plenty of saturated fat in their, which is bad for your body.

[moerah7]

^^^ exactly

A "cleaner food" would contain more nutrients including essential vitamins and minerals, while sugary and fat dense foods don't have the potential at supplying the body with efficient energy we need for body building, or in this case bulking.

[stanzione1017]

No, because it doesn't make sense. A calorie cannot be clean or dirty. Regardless of its source. A calorie can come from fat, protein, or carbohydrates. None of those things are inherently dirty.

He talks about jelly being a dirty food. Like it's going to make you fat. Or that you can't have it on a "clean" diet. And that's just not the case.

Bro its just a term.. hes sayin tht his calories could be comming from a cleaner source..