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    Arrow Rhodiola vs. Theanine

    How does Rhodiola compare with Theanine? Are they comparable in both offering a reduction in anxiety/stress?
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    Theanine has the edge I'd say.
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    For most, theanine.
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    Theanine.

    Nice research on cognitive/focus/nootropic benefits and synergy with caffeine. AEN with their PreSurge Unleashed product utilized these benefits quite nicely in the pre-workout scheme and I think it is one of the reasons it gives it an edge over most current pre-workouts.

    If it is stress/anxiety relief you are looking for then theanine alone on an empty stomach would be best... even 50-100mg works quite nicely and suntheanine is a good choice in theanine. I often use Zen Theanine from AOR before bed or when needed.
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    so for stress/anxiety, how would Rhodiola come into play or be of any benefit?

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    Theanine.

    Nice research on cognitive/focus/nootropic benefits and synergy with caffeine. AEN with their PreSurge Unleashed product utilized these benefits quite nicely in the pre-workout scheme and I think it is one of the reasons it gives it an edge over most current pre-workouts.

    If it is stress/anxiety relief you are looking for then theanine alone on an empty stomach would be best... even 50-100mg works quite nicely and suntheanine is a good choice in theanine. I often use Zen Theanine from AOR before bed or when needed.
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    Rhodiola is better. Try NOW's version. Start at 3 pills a day to assess tolerance.
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    Originally Posted by lawnboy246 View Post
    How does Rhodiola compare with Theanine? Are they comparable in both offering a reduction in anxiety/stress?
    They work differently in my opinion in regards to anxiety/stress.

    Theanine has an immediate effect on the first dose, however I have noticed you can build a quick tolerance if you used on a consistent basis. 100-300mg in one sitting

    Rhodiola on the other hand takes several days to get better effects from it and usually it's a 4-6 weeks on, 4 weeks off. 300mg with standarized for rosavins 3% and the additional rhodiola powder as well.

    Phenibut is another immediate option.
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    That is actually what I got; thought I read thought not to take it late in the day as it can interfere with sleep; this seems to be the opposite of Theanine?

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    Originally Posted by cxm View Post
    They work differently in my opinion in regards to anxiety/stress.

    Theanine has an immediate effect on the first dose, however I have noticed you can build a quick tolerance if you used on a consistent basis. 100-300mg in one sitting

    Rhodiola on the other hand takes several days to get better effects from it and usually it's a 4-6 weeks on, 4 weeks off. 300mg with standarized for rosavins 3% and the additional rhodiola powder as well.

    Phenibut is another immediate option.
    Nice feedback. I have noticed the same, although there is a thin line for me between enough and too much rhodiola to where I start to feel lethargy.
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    Originally Posted by lawnboy246 View Post
    so for stress/anxiety, how would Rhodiola come into play or be of any benefit?



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    Rhodiola is better. Try NOW's version. Start at 3 pills a day to assess tolerance.
    Well I think the science is, should I say, more reputable with regards to the rare amino acid theanine. There is a ton of literature to support it's efficacy as well as a clear MOA vs a herb like Rhodiola which has studies, but not in the more mainstream journals... and the MOA is not clear, while the many possible beneficial components are still in contention.

    If looking for a couple possibly beneficial ingredients, with little to no downside except cost, starting with theanine and rhodiola is not a bad way to go.
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    I've megadosed Rhodiola and never got much out of it.

    On the other hand, 1 gram of l-theanine feels a lot like a low dosed z-drug.
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    I've megadosed Rhodiola and never got much out of it.

    On the other hand, 1 gram of l-theanine feels a lot like a low dosed z-drug.

    I use it more for the possible overall health benefits. Well, mostly because it is in Mito Charger from AOR and I really love that product.

    That's a lot of theanine! What is a z-drug? Sounds like a sleep thing as in zzzzz which I am about to do right now with the use of Ortho Sleep which has theanine... yes AOR Wh(aor)e here.
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    Wow, this thread threw me off.

    Rhodiola and Theanine are the names of my sisters.

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    Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew View Post
    I use it more for the possible overall health benefits. Well, mostly because it is in Mito Charger from AOR and I really love that product.

    That's a lot of theanine! What is a z-drug? Sounds like a sleep thing as in zzzzz which I am about to do right now with the use of Ortho Sleep which has theanine... yes AOR Wh(aor)e here.
    They're drugs for insomnia which bind to the GABAa receptor (like benzo's: increasing the frequency of the Cl- channel openings), but don't effect sleep architecture much.
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    Originally Posted by orbecaIp View Post
    Wow, this thread threw me off.

    Rhodiola and Theanine are the names of my sisters.

    :mantan:
    Well we're all having a threesome later... sorry to inform you of this, but I dig your sisters... they make me feel goooood.
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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    They're drugs for insomnia which bind to the GABAa receptor (like benzo's: increasing the frequency of the Cl- channel openings), but don't effect sleep architecture much.
    ok, so they work well in a good way? Safer/better than benzo's? zzzzzzzzzzzz
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    Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew View Post
    ok, so they work well in a good way? Safer/better than benzo's? zzzzzzzzzzzz
    Better than benzo's, definitely. They have some inherent paroxysms like sleepwalking, exc., and the potential for dependence, and abuse (albiet less than benzo's).
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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    1 gram of l-theanine feels a lot like a low dosed z-drug.
    I'm looking for a quality source. Any suggestions?

    BTW, I was trying to figure out a good dose to combine with my clonazepam prescription. I usually rock about 3mg's, but despite the extensive terminal half-life, the initial "feel good" effects merely last about 20-30 minutes. I'm not looking to get shut down xanax style, I just want an additive effect.
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    Originally Posted by Germanic View Post
    Rhodiola is better. Try NOW's version. Start at 3 pills a day to assess tolerance.
    Its been a while since I have looked at Rhodiola, but that sounds like a pretty high dose. I'd recommend searching through the forums for some other threads so you are aware of the potential side affects.
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    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    I'm looking for a quality source. Any suggestions?

    BTW, I was trying to figure out a good dose to combine with my clonazepam prescription. I usually rock about 3mg's, but despite the extensive terminal half-life, the initial "feel good" effects merely last about 20-30 minutes. I'm not looking to get shut down xanax style, I just want an additive effect.
    I bought 5 bottles of the 500mg L-Theanine from Cognitive Nutrition when they were on bb.com.

    I've used up to 2.5g's with good results.
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    Originally Posted by neuron
    I bought 5 bottles of the 500mg L-Theanine from Cognitive Nutrition when they were on bb.com.

    I've used up to 2.5g's with good results.
    Awesome.



    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    the potential for dependence, and abuse (albiet less than benzo's).
    Ironically, I've been using K-pins for quite a while, and have yet to experience any negatives like daily dependence and/or abuse. I guess this is where interindividual variables come into play.

    BTW [since we are on the subject], do you have any idea how long it takes for the GABAa receptors and/or chloride ion channels to reset to their homeostatic state following an [acute] dose? Would decent amounts of caffeine speed up the process at all?

    EDIT: I should have made a thread on this. Sorry for the derail.
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    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    BTW [since we are on the subject], do you have any idea how long it takes for the GABAa receptors and/or chloride ion channels to reset to their homeostatic state following an [acute] dose? Would decent amounts of caffeine speed up the process at all?
    I don't know off hand, but you can certainly speed up the process with flumazenil.
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    I don't know off hand, but you can certainly speed up the process with flumazenil.
    I have thought about that however [in order to avoid further prescriptions], I think I'm going to look into the possibility of an herbal benzo antagonist. Thanks for the help. Much appreciated.
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    Originally Posted by orbecaIp View Post
    Rhodiola and Theanine are the names of my sisters.
    My step-father Arginine beats me with NO-XPLODE bottles.


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    ITT: Thermolife University produces some pretty brainy alum.
    lulz
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    Originally Posted by cxm View Post
    Phenibut is another immediate option.
    On that note, Somatomax works insanely well. Just have to keep the tolerance issue in mind.
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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    I bought 5 bottles of the 500mg L-Theanine from Cognitive Nutrition when they were on bb.com.

    I've used up to 2.5g's with good results.
    Thats what I use in conjunction with my 3-4 cups of tea. Feels good! I usually use 500mg an hour or two before bed.
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    Originally Posted by cxm View Post
    Phenibut is another immediate option.
    Great stuff there. Strong too, although for me the desired results faded kinda fast and needed higher doses so I cut it out in fear of dependence.
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    Originally Posted by neuron View Post
    I bought 5 bottles of the 500mg L-Theanine from Cognitive Nutrition when they were on bb.com.

    I've used up to 2.5g's with good results.
    wow the highest I ever went was 500mg,I might have to try a slightly higher dose.


    for the question,L- theanine easily.
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    Source Naturals L-Theanine 200mg


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    I'm looking for a quality source. Any suggestions?

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