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    Has anyone ever used this machine to do squats with?


    Edit: The one at my gym the handles are on the bar that the weights are on so you can go atg if you want. That one seems to limit your mobility.

    Theres one like it at my gym, on the side theres a picture of two workouts to use it for. One is shrugs and the other is squats. I dislocated my shoulder a while ago and I don't do regular squats because the position it puts my shoulder risks re injuring it so I use this instead. I use it by loading weight on the sides, grabbing the handles and doing a squat while holding the weight by my sides.
    I was wondering if anyone els uses this and how do you find it compares to regular squats? (I mean how much can you do on this and how much can you do with a bar) On my back day I do two versions of rows, a set of tbar rows with the bar and a set of wide grip rows with that machine and the weight I can lift is pretty much the same.
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    WTF.. i.. im not even going to ask...
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    Originally Posted by Ironlife View Post
    WTF.. i.. im not even going to ask...
    Umm what?
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    Originally Posted by Chuck2600 View Post
    Umm what?
    Lol if it works for you then keep it up..
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    Originally Posted by Ironlife View Post
    Lol if it works for you then keep it up..
    It's not like I don't see the benefit of doing "real" squats over the version of them that I do but dislocations have a very high risk of re injury so I'm not messing around with anything until I'm 100% certain. Either way I still would like to have an idea of how much I can actually squat.
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    Originally Posted by Ironlife View Post
    WTF.. i.. im not even going to ask...
    If you know something he doesn't, why don't you help him?
    Let him know why he should or shouldn't use this machine.
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    That is a shrug machine, and *might* be able to be used as a (trap bar-ish) deadlift machine. You won't really have the same ROM as a squat.
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    Originally Posted by midtx350z View Post
    If you know something he doesn't, why don't you help him?
    Let him know why he should or shouldn't use this machine.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    That is a shrug machine, and *might* be able to be used as a (trap bar-ish) deadlift machine. You won't really have the same ROM as a squat.
    Like I said, the one at my gym handles are located at the bottom so you can get full movement and go atg.
    Again, the machine has a picture of two workouts; Squats and shrugs. While this is only subjective, I doubt a large manufacturer of weight lifting equipment would suggest their products be used for anything that it was not intended to be used for.
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    Originally Posted by Chuck2600 View Post
    Like I said, the one at my gym handles are located at the bottom so you can get full movement and go atg.
    Again, the machine has a picture of two workouts; Squats and shrugs. While this is only subjective, I doubt a large manufacturer of weight lifting equipment would suggest their products be used for anything that it was not intended to be used for.
    Even if it wasn't intended to be used for it, you can still do so.

    I understand exactly which type of machine you are referring to now, my gym has the same one. If you feel more comfortable with it, then have at it.
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    There is a machine very similar to this at my gym, cept ours is made by Lifefitness (Hammerstrength). I don't really like it for either shrugs nor squats for the following reasons:

    The handles on ours resemble a wheelbarrel (intentionally) but they flare out too wide for my comfort.

    Also, with the weight that I am squatting/shrugging, I start becoming conscious of my grip and have to reset sometimes. It is much easier when squatting to keep the weight across your back rather than grip it. Straps makes it better, but it's annoying to have to use straps to squat.

    When I squat all the way down, atg, the weight comes to rest about 4 inches too soon from the bottom position. Therefore it is shortening my considerable range of motion.
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    honestly i'd do a million other things before I'd use that for a squat.
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    Originally Posted by Bostongeorge617 View Post
    There is a machine very similar to this at my gym, cept ours is made by Lifefitness (Hammerstrength). I don't really like it for either shrugs nor squats for the following reasons:

    The handles on ours resemble a wheelbarrel (intentionally) but they flare out too wide for my comfort.

    Also, with the weight that I am squatting/shrugging, I start becoming conscious of my grip and have to reset sometimes. It is much easier when squatting to keep the weight across your back rather than grip it. Straps makes it better, but it's annoying to have to use straps to squat.

    When I squat all the way down, atg, the weight comes to rest about 4 inches too soon from the bottom position. Therefore it is shortening my considerable range of motion.
    The one at my gym is also by life fitness. While it's not the one in the picture on the link it closer resembles it.
    How much of a difference is there between your barbell squat and this?
    http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com...cfm/squatlunge

    Originally Posted by im2manly View Post
    honestly i'd do a million other things before I'd use that for a squat.
    Such as?
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    Originally Posted by Chuck2600 View Post
    Such as?
    Just off the top of my head and keeping your shoulder issue in mind:

    Front Squat
    Zercher Squat
    Hack Squat
    Jefferson Squat
    Trap Bar Deadlift
    Pile Squat
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    i've used this thing, mainly for shrugs but also deadlifts (not squats) and it hits glutes hard. so if you your goal is to be bootylicious, this is the machine for you. (srs)
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    Originally Posted by im2manly View Post
    Just off the top of my head and keeping your shoulder issue in mind:

    Front Squat
    Zercher Squat
    Hack Squat
    Jefferson Squat
    Trap Bar Deadlift
    Pile Squat
    Step-ups
    Leg Press
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    Sumo Deadlifts
    Leg press is a part of my leg workout and theres no hack squat machine or trap bar at my gym. That Jefferson squat looks interesting though, I think I'm going to check some of them out.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    That is a shrug machine, and *might* be able to be used as a (trap bar-ish) deadlift machine. You won't really have the same ROM as a squat.
    It is actually a deadlift machine according to the machines sticker instructions. You can use it for rows and shrugs aswell.

    I've got exactly same machine at my gym, i hate it with a passion for deadlifts just so unnatural. these two guys always tell me to deadlift with it instead of bar i tell them i prefer the bar. It's weird to see the big guy squat 4-5 plates then next day deadlifting on that but to each their own i guess.

    Edit: and the handles can change position on the nautilus one for different ROM and different exercises.
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    Originally Posted by Chuck2600 View Post
    Leg press is a part of my leg workout and theres no hack squat machine or trap bar at my gym. That Jefferson squat looks interesting though, I think I'm going to check some of them out.
    you can use a hack squat with a barbell
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    Originally Posted by im2manly View Post
    you can use a hack squat with a barbell
    Yeah but don't you have to rest it on your shoulders?
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    Originally Posted by Chuck2600 View Post
    Yeah but don't you have to rest it on your shoulders?
    Barbell hack squat:
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    Originally Posted by im2manly View Post
    Just off the top of my head and keeping your shoulder issue in mind:

    Front Squat
    Zercher Squat
    Hack Squat
    Jefferson Squat
    Trap Bar Deadlift
    Pile Squat
    Step-ups
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    Sumo Deadlifts
    This. I too have had dislocation problems with my shoulders and had to part ways with the back squat for a number of years. In that time, I had a hard time convincing myself to really train my legs intensely without back squats so I got pretty inconsistent. I've recently gone back to back squats and it's been going well. If I had it to do all over again, I would have just done high rep squats (20 reps) with a low manageable weight rather than hold off until I could do full back squats.

    Also, do smith machine squats bother your shoulders much? I'm wondering if it's the angle or the angle + weight that give you problems.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    Barbell hack squat:
    I would imagine that that is just as bad or worse then the regular squat. It's putting your shoulder behind your back that puts it at the greatest risk of re dislocating. Basically anything behind the neck is out of the question. I've read that you shouldn't be doing anything behind the neck in the first place because of the potential damage you can do to your rotator cuff.
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    Originally Posted by Chuck2600 View Post
    I would imagine that that is just as bad or worse then the regular squat. It's putting your shoulder behind your back that puts it at the greatest risk of re dislocating. Basically anything behind the neck is out of the question. I've read that you shouldn't be doing anything behind the neck in the first place because of the potential damage you can do to your rotator cuff.
    The BTN advisory primarily refers to overhead movements. It generally does not mean that grasping things behind your back with your arms down will damage your shoulder. If handling weights like that affects YOUR shoulder, thn by all means refrain. But that angle isn't generally dangerous.
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    I don't understand things like dislocation risk, but how, when people do those hack squats, does the bar not hit your calves? Do you pull it back with your lats and rear delts or something?
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    post a video of you doing squats on that thing.


    That is obviously a deadlift, shrug machine. If you squatted, youd be doing a deadlift.
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    I always used that thing to do shrugs. :/
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    Originally Posted by midtx350z View Post
    If you know something he doesn't, why don't you help him?
    Let him know why he should or shouldn't use this machine.
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