Winter bulk tren cycle..Avoid Libido and Lethargy.

[Guy187]

In the fall I will be running a bulk cycle of:

Tren 6 weeks
90/90/90/90/90/90
Pmag 5 weeks
100/100/100/100/100
Bold 200 6 weeks
200/200/200/200/200/200

Im going to be trying to avoid libido loss and lethargy on cycle.

Would it be an alright idea to run PP Dermacrine and PP Sustain Alpha during cycle to combat this? And Sustain Alpha during PCT also?

I know some may not really agree with the cycle itself, but Im mainly concerned with advice and feedback on dermacrine and sustain alpha during cycle and part of pct.

Thanks.

[Guy187]

Bump.

[Guy187]

No one? Reps to constructive advice on either product.

[xR1pp3Rx]

i think it would be ok.. the whole stack in and of itself may do what you want anyhow/// have you done this stack b4? do you know for sure you will lose libido ?
.... just sayin... anyhow i belive you could do what your asking, as the products are transdermals, they avoid first pass through the liver.

[AlphaTauMuscle]

kinda of an odd combo if you ask me

[_Smitty_]

I know some may not really agree with the cycle itself, but Im mainly concerned with advice and feedback on dermacrine and sustain alpha during cycle and part of pct.

Thanks.

i'll be one of those guys as i'm wondering what the point is of dosing 200mgs. of bold/day...

but, hey...

newsflash, the DHEA will not combat the libido loss/lethargy that you're going to experience on a cycle loaded with such goodies, and would only serve to create more possible complications.

true, too, that the 7,8-benzo (the only ingredient in SA that impacts the libido) won't do much either.

your cycle is going to be suppressive, if you're concerned about libido loss or lethargy, maybe you shouldn't be piling on the products.

[NY Muscle]

In the fall I will be running a bulk cycle of:

Tren 6 weeks
90/90/90/90/90/90
Pmag 5 weeks
100/100/100/100/100
Bold 200 6 weeks
200/200/200/200/200/200

Im going to be trying to avoid libido loss and lethargy on cycle.

Would it be an alright idea to run PP Dermacrine and PP Sustain Alpha during cycle to combat this? And Sustain Alpha during PCT also?

I know some may not really agree with the cycle itself, but Im mainly concerned with advice and feedback on dermacrine and sustain alpha during cycle and part of pct.

Thanks.

If those are real AAS products and not supplements then you will need some Pramipexole or Cabergoline (not over the counter) to combat the sides from the tren. Better get some Test in there too and what the heck is pmag?

[Dymethazine]

get rid of the bold its unnecessary especially at that dosage. get some p5p or vitex if you want prolactin control. make sure you have support products and a serm. testforce seems to be helping people with libido and lethargy so i would take that throughout.

[AlphaTauMuscle]

get rid of the bold its unnecessary especially at that dosage. get some p5p or vitex if you want prolactin control. make sure you have support products and a serm. testforce seems to be helping people with libido and lethargy so i would take that throughout.

illadelpha claims vitex becomes liver toxic and starts to lower test levels after 1 week. i do agree with the p5p on tren though. should never start without it

[_Smitty_]

for me, with tren, it's l-dopa or nothing... thehuge had some great information a while back about p-5-p, vitex and androgens.

[AlphaTauMuscle]

for me, with tren, it's l-dopa or nothing... thehuge had some great information a while back about p-5-p, vitex and androgens.

do you have a link, i would rape you for life

[Dymethazine]

for me, with tren, it's l-dopa or nothing... thehuge had some great information a while back about p-5-p, vitex and androgens.

Summary?

i've only read not to mix vitex and p5p.

[_Smitty_]

do you have a link, i would rape you for life

Summary?

i've only read not to mix vitex and p5p.

i'll PM him and link him here, i'm starving and can't fish for a quote.

[em-dubya]

In the fall I will be running a bulk cycle of:

Tren 6 weeks
90/90/90/90/90/90
Pmag 5 weeks
100/100/100/100/100
Bold 200 6 weeks
200/200/200/200/200/200

Im going to be trying to avoid libido loss and lethargy on cycle.

Would it be an alright idea to run PP Dermacrine and PP Sustain Alpha during cycle to combat this? And Sustain Alpha during PCT also?

I know some may not really agree with the cycle itself, but Im mainly concerned with advice and feedback on dermacrine and sustain alpha during cycle and part of pct.

Thanks.

DHEA at 50-100mgs seemed to help with lethargy on cycle for myself, howver I do agree with others that you are adding "too much" in here.

*********Bold at 200mgs for 6 weeks should do nothing

[Xander]

DHEA at 50-100mgs seemed to help with lethargy on cycle for myself, howver I do agree with others that you are adding "too much" in here.

*********Bold at 200mgs for 6 weeks should do nothing

I would agree with this as well. I did H-Drol/X-Tren a few months ago and DHEA really helped with lethargy. Libido was up for me as is, but there really isn't much to that is very effective to help for that OTC

[Dymethazine]

I would agree with this as well. I did H-Drol/X-Tren a few months ago and DHEA really helped with lethargy. Libido was up for me as is, but there really isn't much to that is very effective to help for that OTC

i did the same cycle recently and took 200mg dhea everyday and im not sure it did anything.

[THEHUGE]

for me, with tren, it's l-dopa or nothing... thehuge had some great information a while back about p-5-p, vitex and androgens.

L-dopa FTW

It decreases prolactin, increases LH and testosterone.

p-5-p decreases prolactin and GH. It's not selective.

Vitex is garbage. Its latin name is Agnus Castus. Wonder why....monks used to take it to suppress their sex drive. Animal studies also showed it severely suppresses testosterone.

[THEHUGE]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ighlight=vitex

[Dymethazine]

L-dopa FTW

It decreases prolactin, increases LH and testosterone.

p-5-p decreases prolactin and GH. It's not selective.

Vitex is garbage. Its latin name is Agnus Castus. Wonder why....monks used to take it to suppress their sex drive. Animal studies also showed it severely suppresses testosterone.

never knew some of that. very interesting stuff.

and since most people take these for Tren products which can shut you down hard and decrease libido drastically l-dopa would be the best by far.

[CHEEF]

inject some test/thread

ph's are roids anyway andgay

[Dymethazine]

inject some test/thread

ph's are roids anyway andgay

that is definitely not reasonable for many people and ph/ds are not gay lulz.

[THEHUGE]

never knew some of that. very interesting stuff.

and since most people take these for Tren products which can shut you down hard and decrease libido drastically l-dopa would be the best by far.

Definitely. It's actually the only logical OTC option.

[CHEEF]

that is definitely not reasonable for many people and ph/ds are not gay lulz.

yes well they are aas but legal and are waste of money imo

[Dymethazine]

yes well they are aas but legal and are waste of money imo

how are they a waste of money? they can be just as effective or even better than illegal AAS.

[Guy187]

i'll be one of those guys as i'm wondering what the point is of dosing 200mgs. of bold/day...

but, hey...

newsflash, the DHEA will not combat the libido loss/lethargy that you're going to experience on a cycle loaded with such goodies, and would only serve to create more possible complications.

true, too, that the 7,8-benzo (the only ingredient in SA that impacts the libido) won't do much either.

your cycle is going to be suppressive, if you're concerned about libido loss or lethargy, maybe you shouldn't be piling on the products.

NEWSFLASH.... I didnt ask for advice on my cycle itself for the compounds Im taking. I have my own reasoning for taking BOLD at that dosage. I will only say it once. I know it will do nothing at all, or minimal. BUT i have one bottle left over from an old cycle, and Im not going to try to sell an illegal product, nor am I going to try to buy more illegal bottles to run a proper cycle; so THAT is why Im just saying screw it and adding it into this bulk cycle for the hell of it.

If those are real AAS products and not supplements then you will need some Pramipexole or Cabergoline (not over the counter) to combat the sides from the tren. Better get some Test in there too and what the heck is pmag?

Real AAS? You mean the Primordial Performance products I meantioned? No. One is a mild T-Booster, and one a mild PH.

get rid of the bold its unnecessary especially at that dosage. get some p5p or vitex if you want prolactin control. make sure you have support products and a serm. testforce seems to be helping people with libido and lethargy so i would take that throughout.

I understand the BOLD dosage is unecessary. I didnt ask that. I also didn't post all the supports I plan on running for this cycle. I have done my research, and ran cycles before. And yes, I will be running P5P for prolactin control on this also.

illadelpha claims vitex becomes liver toxic and starts to lower test levels after 1 week. i do agree with the p5p on tren though. should never start without it

I do plan on running P5P for this cycle. Im asking about the two PP products mentioned though.

DHEA at 50-100mgs seemed to help with lethargy on cycle for myself, howver I do agree with others that you are adding "too much" in here.

*********Bold at 200mgs for 6 weeks should do nothing

I know about the BOLD! Im just running it for the hell of it because I have it. It's either than or throw it in the trash can.

I would agree with this as well. I did H-Drol/X-Tren a few months ago and DHEA really helped with lethargy. Libido was up for me as is, but there really isn't much to that is very effective to help for that OTC

inject some test/thread

ph's are roids anyway andgay

Ill pass. Thanks though.

how are they a waste of money? they can be just as effective or even better than illegal AAS.

Exactly.

[Guy187]

SO! Back to the original question. Has anyone ran either of the PP products on cycle mentioned in the original post? If so, how did they help you, if at all?

Thanks.

[_Smitty_]

nice job... after that outburst all of the reputable people who would've come in here to advise you, won't.



in b4 noob opinions, red bars, and broscience.

[Guy187]

nice job... after that outburst all of the reputable people who would've come in here to advise you, won't.



in b4 noob opinions, red bars, and broscience.

Im not trying to be disrespectful at all. Im simply asking for advice on two products to run alongside my already decided cycle.

[_Smitty_]

Im not trying to be disrespectful at all. Im simply asking for advice on two products to run alongside my already decided cycle.

i answered those questions, and a couple of other members responded about DHEA usage while on cycle.

i've used both products, a few times actually... DHEA can be mildly suppressive in itself; while i did notice a mood enhancement and slight body composition differences, there was no elevation in libido for me.

SA, i feel, works better as an anti-oxidant than as a libido enhancer/booster... as said, the 7,8-benzo content in SA might be too weak to counter the suppressive effects of the cycle.

[Guy187]

i answered those questions, and a couple of other members responded about DHEA usage while on cycle.

i've used both products, a few times actually... DHEA can be mildly suppressive in itself; while i did notice a mood enhancement and slight body composition differences, there was no elevation in libido for me.

SA, i feel, works better as an anti-oxidant than as a libido enhancer/booster... as said, the 7,8-benzo content in SA might be too weak to counter the suppressive effects of the cycle.

Thanks. Reps.