The "Slut" reputation...

[janky]

i never really thought about whether a girl knew how to flirt until i got on these boards and read stuff, now when i girl is a ****ty flirt i think "bish needs to step up her game lol" but oh well.

in conclusion, theres a reason why 10% of men have 90% of the casual sex.

If a girl does anything even remotely resembling flirting you're pretty much in brah

Still waiting on my answer on how people can bang sluts but not date them

Depends. If she's talking to 6 other guys the same way she's talking to me, I'm more than likely not going to put forth the effort. If she shows that I have her interest over everyone else and they all "fade away" then my interest in her will increase.
It's a give and take really.

I'm not down for "have your cake and eat it too" scenarios unless it's fully disclosed up front, but then that wouldn't be "dating" it'd be an open relationship or "fck buddies".

Because they are scared of investing in someone who is notorious for fooling around?

I would bang a slut but would be hesitant to date. You are a product of your experiences and people don't normally do 180s in life. So, it's the same mentality. I mean people on here ( i think including you ) say not to go back to an ex because people don't change right?

Use her for what she is known for. Plus, usually when girls are like that, they are looking for validation way too much=insecure=more likely to cheat.

No? Want to hear your side.

So what you're saying is I can't ever change, shouldn't be taken seriously in a relationship, and that I should be used for what I'm known for due to my insecurity and high probability of infidelity?

That's not very nice at all

Uh. Different levels of commitment? Investment? One is just sex with someone you don't care about and the other you're actually spending time with them? Possibly introducing them to your friends and/or your parents?

It's not that complicated.

I'd give a random stranger a ride but I wouldn't invite a stranger to move in with me. Now replace "stranger" with "slut". You can also make the same analogy with fat chicks.

Well bro, lets be honest.. if you bring a girl to your parents and go "Oh hey, this is my fiance, she let 6 guys circle jerk in her open mouth"

...then that's really your bad.

Bro, you're a man so your promiscuity and how it doesn't effect you in a relationship doesn't mean anything in relation to how a promiscuous woman will handle herself. Men are different than women. Just look at how guys treat their friends versus how women treat their friends.

Look at this way: What do men ultimately want from women? Ultimately, the answer is sex (that night) or a wife.

What do women want out of a man? The answer is status. Instinctively, the want the ultimate alpha male, so they can lord it over other women. (Al's thread about women loving competition is spot on.) Even when they settle down with the sad losers that are happy to be with a woman that was ridden hard and put away wet, these women still often cheat on the poor bastards providing with them---when men of more high social status come along and remind them of their glory days.


Of course, women have brains and can presumably overcome the biological imperative to constantly chase status (At least I hope so, if anyone is going to have a healthy and happy relationship that lasts for the duration of their respective life's) but it seems to me that a woman getting pounded by a different guy every other week is probably buying into the status chasing.

And hey, since you didn't like the porn star example, I just thought of an even better one: Prostitutes.

If sex is just sex and doesn't really mean anything, would you be keen on dating a hooker. It's just sex and just a job, right?

I actually think that pretty much highlights the difference in values men and women have. A woman would rather be with a "high social status" guy (even if there is a risk involved because of his promiscuity) than a virgin.

On the other hand, a man would prefer to be with a chaste virgin, and many men view prostitutes with a great deal of contempt. I mean most of us have patronized them and then beat them to death...in video games. Right?

Agreed. and again, I DO NOT WANT virgins. AT ALL.
Have piss poor sex and have to completely put on a fake persona to appease their views and beliefs of what relationships should be? Simply because they've never been exposed to their reality?
Go through her "wild phase" with her and patiently wait while she goes out clubbing, flirts relentlessly, and who knows what else because she's "still young" and "never got a chance to" ?????

There is nothing about virgins that seems appealing to me at all. I would take my chances with an honest reformed slut any day over a virgin.

And you've ignored a piece of this in your hooker analogy.
I wouldn't DATE a hooker because it's her JOB to fck. It's guaranteed she'll be having multiple partners.
Also, have you ever met an attractive, clean hooker? Aesthetics and hygeine are important to me in a mate... jsut sayin'

If it's discussed or known up front that there will be other partners, the dynamic is auto-adjusted and there can be no "serious" or "long term" relationship. its just fcking around - in which case, yes, it's just sex.

and
yeaaaaaaaaaaaa....

in ... video games...


riiiiiiiiiiiiight

And 5 years down the line, when your non-sexual wife has decided she's not interested in sex any more (because she never really has been), you'll wish you had married the slut.

Precisely because we know we'll be judged by men. Someone's sexual history is such a tiny part of the overall picture, yet so much emphasis is put on it.

Maybe she used them as man size dildos. Women enjoy sex too you know. It doesn't always have to mean something. It can be purely for the physical pleasure. Why would you think a sexually confident woman who saw a man she fancied the pants off and took him to bed, would have been "used as a cum dumpster"? Do you think it's only men who use people for sex?

And by using a woman for sex and dumping her, you're only adding to her number and putting the next guy off.
Repped.
Also something Janky said earlier about being a slut but being faithful while in a relationship made perfect sense. The belief seems to be that a slutty girl is also a cheat, which has no basis really. The way someone acts while single and the way they act while in a relationship shouldn't be compared, because they're entirely different situations.

Right.
If I find a girl attractive and want to have sex with her, I'll attempt to. If she ends up being cool and I respect her, I pursue something more. It all begins with attraction.

So, having said that - if a girl has nice eyes or dat ass or whatever - but is dumber than sht and annoying.. im not gunna date her. Does that mean I can't fck her?! Hell no!

Same principle applies to women. If they want to fck a guy, they can. I am not judging.

The important piece is how they act in relationships. A few people have said that it wouldn't matter as long as she didnt have a history of being a cheater.
I will agree with that entirely.


Here's the thing;
I have these weird views of how I see things and how I believe (or would like to believe) the world and the people in it work.
If we can believe in something as outlandish as two people magically finding each other in a perfect moment under a starry night backdrop and hearts fluttering with butterflies in the stomach - then those people end up happily married, raising children in a beautiful home, never wandering from each others side, and die old together..

sheeeeit

well if you believe that's possible, is it REALLY REALLY REALLY that fcking hard to believe a girl that's had sex with 15+ guys could actually love you and want to be with you without cheating????

REALLY?

it would bother me more if i knew the girl was a cheater than if she had been with 50+ guys.

oh sht. just quoted this.
kudos.

Why? You aren't going to get a disease from a chick who doesn't like sex and you'll find out soon enough.

As for reasons why a woman who can get laid all the time isn't I can think of several: Standards, self-respect, morals, religious beliefs, etc.

False.

Here's a true story for you - and this is fact, since I know you law students are all about stats n boring sht.

My boy got syphillis from buttfcking the 2nd girl he ever had sex with. the SECOND girl.

I've never had an std in my life. honest.

Not gunna get a disease from someone that doesnt like sex? lulz.

And please clarify for me how self-respect correlates to not enjoying your sexual nature?
If anything, self respect would allow you TO indulge that part of your being, and feel awesome about it

I'm not being a dick bro, just debating plz dont take this wrong.
I'm just failing to understand... some of the stuff you say I'm like "damn bro, so you think I'm xxxx?" lol I'm a slut too... this all applies to me as well. I am not insecure, I don't lack morals, and funny 3rd thing.

I don't know Janky, to be honest, I'm fukcing sick and tired of it all.. Dating games, relationship games, games, marriage games, divorces, insecurity, lying, suffering, nastyness... To be honest it seems that the Male & Female relations field is nothing more then a battlefield. And I've already been on the real battlefield after doing my time in the Army, so I don't fukcing want to tear more pieces of my heart off and let my brain boil in frustration in pursuit of a fukcing Woman I can just spend my life with.. Such a god damn simple thing I want, a fukcing companion who I can be honest with, sincere with, experience life with, have good sex with, and yet in today's world it's like you have to go through elaborate intricate ass puzzles and fight dragons and gather up years of emotional and physical baggage.. FUKC that, fukc it all..

I'm through with it all, if someone good comes along (Someone who I can treat well, so they can treat me well) then I'll hop on it, if not, then fukc it I'll die alone..

Wow dude. that was beautiful. srs.
Another post I'd like to have bronzed... will rep asap.



cheerup; in regards to your CDC stats post - I have issues with those kinds of statistics. It's different if you ask someone how many times they've eaten subway in the past year vs. how many times they'd suck 3 dicks in a back alley.
You have to admit that it's hard to garner accurate results from surveys and polls of that nature because while we all like to think we're these morally upright beings, we're typically anything but when the lights go out.

The same girls that would frown upon sluttish behavior and bash it on those surveys have surely had a night or 13 where they had a few too many drinks and let some stranger plummet their meatcave. Will they freely admit that? Probably not.

The same guys that expect dime piece virgins probably are out fcking 5s and 6s every chance they get and holding their breath that said dime virgin will fall into their lap.

Girls subtract facts from their stories, men add unrealistic facts to embellish their stories.

It's hard to put human nature into neat little numerical value columns. Life is not an excel spreadsheet brah

If it was, I'd hire kaptn to run mine and i'd ball on all yo bitch asses hahahaha jk jk

[Piranha89]

Would you rather have Kaptn Krunch's life story over a fairy tail love at first, stay together ending?

Basically, do you take life experience with women (which involves drama and a chance you'll never find love, but also stories) or be with one girl your whole life with much less drama and then same or more happiness?

I'm speaking out loud here, hopefully you understand this.

I remember how you said in one of your posts that because of your experience with women it has made you much more difficult to stay in a committed relationship since you know so much about women and their alleged shadiness.

[janky]

Would you rather have Kaptn Krunch's life story over a fairy tail love at first, stay together ending?

Basically, do you take life experience with women (which involves drama and a chance you'll never find love, but also stories) or be with one girl your whole life with much less drama and then same or more happiness?

I'm speaking out loud here, hopefully you understand this.

I remember how you said in one of your posts that because of your experience with women it has made you much more difficult to stay in a committed relationship since you know so much about women and their alleged shadiness.

Well, let's rephrase something before I answer that.
It doesn't make it difficult for ME to stay in a committed relationship. It makes it difficult for me to believe that a woman, that claims to love me and want the same, is capable of truly doing so. Although, I (against my better judgement at times) still give a special few that fair chance.

Would I trade experience for a fairy tale?
That's a tough call.

Without experience how would I know the fairy tale was a fairy tale? How would I know it's what I wanted? Who's to say I wouldn't long for the life I'd never known of being in-demand with women and being able to run trains, stuff cock down strangers throats, jizz in faces, hair, eyes, and any other place you can think of, urinate in girls faces, have my salad tossed, etc.

I'm sure at some point I'd start to wonder what those things felt like, which could end up being dangerous had I never known those experiences first hand. That's not say I'd cheat, because ultimately my morals will dictate my actions - but to be having those thoughts is a bad sign.

Then again, living a life of experience and only having mediocre tastes of what love could be (that end tragically and frequently very painfully) leads me to long for that lifestyle. Grass is always greener brah.
I'm 28 and not married. No potential. Not so much as a good female friend i'd consider to play the role.
Growing up I had assumed i'd be married with a house and kids by now. I actually find myself pretty content with my life overall, yet that piece of the puzzle is still very distant.

It doesn't necessarily eat at me either way - but like you said, knowing what I know it does make things a little more difficult. What's worse is being able to read women and see through them like a windshield.
If I can predict things, or BS for a few minutes and piece together an accurately tragic tale of deceit and a completely fake ass show... yeah.
You can imagine the levels of disappoint.

Sorry. Answered your question with a novel.

[killerobotninja]

Personally, I would love to cut all the bullsh!t out and find a quality girl. I mean sure, I'd love her to be a freak in bed, but I'd also like the companionship, loyalty, and friendship. This isn't the 1920's anymore, fairy tail couples rarely exist now. I've dated quite a few girls, but in the end they don't turn out to be anything special. Till then I'll keep on plowing the bad ones in search of the good one.

[spectre86]

I didnt read all the respones, but whats your defination of a "slut"

a girl that sleeps with a guy fast? (fine with me)
a girl that likes sex and is ok with sleeping with a guy without dating them? (fine with me)
a girl thats in a relationship but still fuks other guys? (doesnt fly)


everyone has to face the facts, unless you date a virgin, then chances are, your not the 1st guy thats came inside her.

I have to be able to trust her (meaning she wont lie or cheat) and know that shes STD free.

my longest relationships, we had sex on the 2nd date. I didnt ask about their past. didnt want to know. they didnt ask me about mine. Im not going to ask a question that I might not like the answer to.

I agree with the whole "as long as its not a new dick every night" thing.


if a woman is loyal and clean, i dont really care about her past.

all that bullshiet about X amount of people at X age is a joke.

[muscleholic]

80 % of men doesn't want to wife or date sluts. I can't really imagine sluts as a good mothers.

[frasersteen]

80 % of men doesn't want to wife or date sluts. I can't really imagine sluts as a good mothers.

80% of men don't get laid very much......

80% of men are the reason women are so sexually repressed.....

80% of men have no clue how many guys the average women will have had sexual relations with....

80% of guys get the other 20% laid all the f*cking time....

[janky]

I didnt read all the respones, but whats your defination of a "slut"

a girl that sleeps with a guy fast? (fine with me)
a girl that likes sex and is ok with sleeping with a guy without dating them? (fine with me)
a girl thats in a relationship but still fuks other guys? (doesnt fly)


everyone has to face the facts, unless you date a virgin, then chances are, your not the 1st guy thats came inside her.

I have to be able to trust her (meaning she wont lie or cheat) and know that shes STD free.

my longest relationships, we had sex on the 2nd date. I didnt ask about their past. didnt want to know. they didnt ask me about mine. Im not going to ask a question that I might not like the answer to.

I agree with the whole "as long as its not a new dick every night" thing.


if a woman is loyal and clean, i dont really care about her past.

all that bullshiet about X amount of people at X age is a joke.

Agreed.
So if you were talking to the coolest chick you've met in ages and just lovin it.. and you were right at that point where you were gunna ask her out.. then you found out she got shtfaced at a party and let 5 guys take turns on her on video..
would it deter your decision?
Assuming that was a year or so ago.. she rarely parties anymore.. is really into you, etc.?

I guess what I'm getting at is - do you believe that someone is un-date-able just because of previous over-the-top actions? Like how some of the guys believe an elephant cant change its spots..

80 % of men doesn't want to wife or date sluts. I can't really imagine sluts as a good mothers.

So you're saying I could never be a good father? How so?

I just think that the majority of guys who have mentalities like this are making blanket statements without a lot of real validity to them.

You can't say that just because someone likes to fck they'll never xx or yy or zz.
That's not true.

I'm a very loyal, moral, perseverant, intelligent person with a heart of gold. I also have a sex addiction.
I don't have daddy issues really, my dad was a ******* and I don't like him, but he's not a part of my life since I was 14 so its irrelevant.
Aside from ADHD and a tendency to become addicted fast, I don't really have any major psychological dysfunctions (that I'm aware of).

I just grew up a creepy depressed loner, then blossomed into a socialite for a while. I always wanted the attention of girls, and when I got it I went apesht with it and went overboard indulging.
Once I started to learn the opposite sex, I tailored my approaches towards things I wanted in a more beneficial manner; Either she's relationship material and she'll get some of my time/interest... or she's just sex material and she'll get some charm and my penis.
I still hold that morality today - yet in all my rampant slutting, I've never once cheated or deceived a woman.

Soooooooooo
given my life story, I don't see how the fact that I slutted it up (and sorta still do from time to time) makes me unfit to find love, father children, or be a good person.

Can anyone explain that to me?

[Kirra]

Who doesn't love sluts? They are awesome.

[frasersteen]

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Agreed.
So if you were talking to the coolest chick you've met in ages and just lovin it.. and you were right at that point where you were gunna ask her out.. then you found out she got shtfaced at a party and let 5 guys take turns on her on video..
would it deter your decision?
Assuming that was a year or so ago.. she rarely parties anymore.. is really into you, etc.?

I guess what I'm getting at is - do you believe that someone is un-date-able just because of previous over-the-top actions? Like how some of the guys believe an elephant cant change its spots..



So you're saying I could never be a good father? How so?

I just think that the majority of guys who have mentalities like this are making blanket statements without a lot of real validity to them.

You can't say that just because someone likes to fck they'll never xx or yy or zz.
That's not true.

I'm a very loyal, moral, perseverant, intelligent person with a heart of gold. I also have a sex addiction.
I don't have daddy issues really, my dad was a ******* and I don't like him, but he's not a part of my life since I was 14 so its irrelevant.
Aside from ADHD and a tendency to become addicted fast, I don't really have any major psychological dysfunctions (that I'm aware of).

I just grew up a creepy depressed loner, then blossomed into a socialite for a while. I always wanted the attention of girls, and when I got it I went apesht with it and went overboard indulging.
Once I started to learn the opposite sex, I tailored my approaches towards things I wanted in a more beneficial manner; Either she's relationship material and she'll get some of my time/interest... or she's just sex material and she'll get some charm and my penis.
I still hold that morality today - yet in all my rampant slutting, I've never once cheated or deceived a woman.

Soooooooooo
given my life story, I don't see how the fact that I slutted it up (and sorta still do from time to time) makes me unfit to find love, father children, or be a good person.

Can anyone explain that to me?

Honestly dude, respect for trying. I tried to explain this a few months ago in a few threads. Got nowhere, hence the attitude.

Problem is that BB is a hobby that many people get into due to poor self image. Said guys work on their physical selves but ignore the underlying problem.

Said (now jacked) guys have a thin veneer of confidence provided by physical shape but don't really believe in themselves enough to make it stick.

As a consequence, girls lose the initial spark of attraction very quickly and run off with other guys. Clearly this is the woman's fault so the guys go in search of the mythical non-slut who will not do this. They do not realise that it will keep happening no matter what unless they find someone with less self-confidence than themselves.

I honestly hope you get through to some of these guys I really do, don't know if you post in the misc but sometimes it gets really pathetic.

For your next project/thread I suggest you try and tackle jealousy. I hope you have more luck than me.

[SpiderSense]

I'm sorry but depending on the girl it will most definitely DQ me from wanting a relationship.

I know a girl who ****ed over 100 guys in a year span, and got triple penetrated too.

Obviously this girl has very deep self esteem issues and possibly mental problems.

But I'm gonna be like "well I shouldn't judge a person on their reputation"?

LOL so I'm gonna give the chick who probably relieves stress by getting trains ran on her a chance?

Yeah, right.

I see that going well, being in a relationship where I'm held hostage to my GF's perverse sexual past.

I don't believe that everybody can be saved, if you do that's fine you play Mother Theresa.

[The_Reaper]

Well, in my sig (Why I hate sluts) I go into some detail about the matter...

[The_Reaper]

Can anyone explain that to me?

False premise, dude.
You're a man. Not a woman. You're not a "slut".

A woman who whores around is not the moral equivalent of a man who sleeps around, not for arbitrary patriarchal reasons but for logical biological reasons.

[Ecnewyx]

Problem is that BB is a hobby that many people get into due to poor self image. Said guys work on their physical selves but ignore the underlying problem.

Clearly anyone who thinks less of sluts is really just masking their own lack of self-confidence. And if a slutty girl cheats on me or breaks up with me it's because I wasn't confident enough.

I don't know how to insert the eyerolling smiley gif so just imagine that there is a smiley face here. It is blue (if I recall correctly) and it is rolling its eyes.

[frasersteen]

Clearly anyone who thinks less of sluts is really just masking their own lack of self-confidence. And if a slutty girl cheats on me or breaks up with me it's because I wasn't confident enough.

I don't know how to insert the eyerolling smiley gif so just imagine that there is a smiley face here. It is blue (if I recall correctly) and it is rolling its eyes.

Strong missing of point.

There are very few "sluts". Whilst I will grudgingly concede that there are girls who basically get laid all the time due to very poor self-image. They are such a small percentage of women as a whole that they can almost be discounted.

Poor self image leads to mistreatment in relationships. If you get with chics with false confidence they will very quickly lose interest and be tempted away by someone either faking it better or with true confidence, doing this without breaking up with you first does not make them slutty. Weak yes but slutty no.

Yes I do see this as the guy's fault. It is your job as a man in a relationship to provide safety and security. You cannot achieve this being insecure.

As for it being the woman's fault for not controlling herself: there is a strong misunderstanding from a lot of guys about how easy it is to get women. Seriously, once you figure out which buttons to press and how to press them it is like shooting fish in a barrel. Women are strongly emotional dependant all you have to do is spark the right emotional response and she literally cannot defend herself. If you get really good at doing this you can pretty much make the woman do whatever slutty things you want to.

The only way you can make sure your girl does not cheat is to make sure the emotional attachment she has to you is so strong that no other guy can come close.

[Piranha89]

False premise, dude.
You're a man. Not a woman. You're not a "slut".

A woman who whores around is not the moral equivalent of a man who sleeps around, not for arbitrary patriarchal reasons but for logical biological reasons.

So a girl can't go out, have fun and **** a random dude but a guy can. Strong double standards are strong.

It takes two.

[Ecnewyx]

There are very few "sluts". Whilst I will grudgingly concede that there are girls who basically get laid all the time due to very poor self-image. They are such a small percentage of women as a whole that they can almost be discounted.

slut (slt) n. 1a. A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous.

What does self-image have to do with it? Are you telling me that there are "very few" sexually promiscuous women? Mind = ...not blown because you're flat out wrong, lol.

[The rest of your post.]

wut

[Steellifter]

It all depends on the girl. If she's straight, up front, and completely honest, about things then I'll cut her some slack.

Aka: "Sure I enjoyed getting dp'ed at that frat house party last year, but you're all I want now and I mean that" and if she's a trustworthy girl (haven't met any yet) and means what she says then it doesn't bother me.

That said a sluts a slut, and a good girls a good girl, period.

I will hold more respect for a girl that holds on to her values and waits until marriage then one that doesn't, and I would expect women to hold men in the same regard.

[frasersteen]

slut (slt) n. 1a. A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous.

What does self-image have to do with it? Are you telling me that there are "very few" sexually promiscuous women? Mind = ...not blown because you're flat out wrong, lol.



wut

OK I tried....I'm out

[cheerupemokid]

Agreed. and again, I DO NOT WANT virgins. AT ALL.
Have piss poor sex and have to completely put on a fake persona to appease their views and beliefs of what relationships should be? Simply because they've never been exposed to their reality?
Go through her "wild phase" with her and patiently wait while she goes out clubbing, flirts relentlessly, and who knows what else because she's "still young" and "never got a chance to" ?????

There is nothing about virgins that seems appealing to me at all. I would take my chances with an honest reformed slut any day over a virgin.

So you don't buy into the you can't turn a whore into a housewife mantra? Have you actually met an honest, reformed slut that is actually honest and reformed? I'm acquaintances with some sluts that claim to be honest and reformed (they have boyfriends that they totally love and think they're going to marry) but they still put themselves in bad situations---i.e. surrounded by lots of dudes drinking tons of booze and doing drugs while their bf's are away. Poor bastards are too dumb or too whipped to realize what's going on.

How many virgins do you have experience with? I just got out of law school and ran through some of the undergrad population and not even any of the freshman girls were virgins.

My thought on the whole wild phase is that every woman I've ever met has basically had the temperament of a child. They talk about independence, girl power and all of that other bull****. But how they actually act is that they're constantly testing boundaries and don't want to take any responsibility for any of their actions. I think you'd probably have to set non-negotiable boundaries. Just a thought, I haven't met a girl worth dating since I developed said outlook.

And you've ignored a piece of this in your hooker analogy.
I wouldn't DATE a hooker because it's her JOB to fck. It's guaranteed she'll be having multiple partners.
Also, have you ever met an attractive, clean hooker? Aesthetics and hygeine are important to me in a mate... jsut sayin'

If it's discussed or known up front that there will be other partners, the dynamic is auto-adjusted and there can be no "serious" or "long term" relationship. its just fcking around - in which case, yes, it's just sex.

and
yeaaaaaaaaaaaa....

in ... video games...


riiiiiiiiiiiiight

Elliot Spitzer's whore was decent:



I've certainly woke up to worse after consuming insane amounts of alcohol. And you know, the "high class" hookers politicians patronize are usually pretty decent.

I don't understand your next paragraph. You'd be okay with an open relationship in which your partner would get ****ed by other guys (cause its just sex) but you wouldn't be okay dating a hooker (who is up front with you about it). Why isn't it just sex when she's a whore---the only difference is she's getting paid for it.

False.

Here's a true story for you - and this is fact, since I know you law students are all about stats n boring sht.

My boy got syphillis from buttfcking the 2nd girl he ever had sex with. the SECOND girl.

I've never had an std in my life. honest.

Not gunna get a disease from someone that doesnt like sex? lulz.

And please clarify for me how self-respect correlates to not enjoying your sexual nature?
If anything, self respect would allow you TO indulge that part of your being, and feel awesome about it

I'm not being a dick bro, just debating plz dont take this wrong.
I'm just failing to understand... some of the stuff you say I'm like "damn bro, so you think I'm xxxx?" lol I'm a slut too... this all applies to me as well. I am not insecure, I don't lack morals, and funny 3rd thing.

Who's the person that didn't like sex in that story? Cause the girl that let your boy **** her in the ass certainly wasn't attending her first rodeo. As evidenced by the fact that she had syphilis.

If a girl doesn't like sex and as a result either hasn't had it or only had one partner, statistically you're less likely to contract a disease from her than a chick who has ****ed 100 guys.

Again, it doesn't apply to you because you're a man. It's your biological imperative to spread your seed. And aside from that you can't put on a black dress, **** me heels, go out and have a line of the opposite sex line up to try to **** you, now can you?

Didn't you recently hook up with a raccoon who had a bf? By doing that, not only did you beat other guys by convincing her to sleep with your over the tens of thousands of other options at her disposal but you convinced her to betray some dude she supposedly "loves."

You actually accomplished something. When a girl gives it up five minutes after meeting a guy, she hasn't accomplished anything. In fact, she could have probably held out for better but because she lacks self-respect she ****ed the first dude that smiled at her.

You see?

cheerup; in regards to your CDC stats post - I have issues with those kinds of statistics. It's different if you ask someone how many times they've eaten subway in the past year vs. how many times they'd suck 3 dicks in a back alley.
You have to admit that it's hard to garner accurate results from surveys and polls of that nature because while we all like to think we're these morally upright beings, we're typically anything but when the lights go out.

The same girls that would frown upon sluttish behavior and bash it on those surveys have surely had a night or 13 where they had a few too many drinks and let some stranger plummet their meatcave. Will they freely admit that? Probably not.

The same guys that expect dime piece virgins probably are out fcking 5s and 6s every chance they get and holding their breath that said dime virgin will fall into their lap.

Girls subtract facts from their stories, men add unrealistic facts to embellish their stories.

It's hard to put human nature into neat little numerical value columns. Life is not an excel spreadsheet brah

If it was, I'd hire kaptn to run mine and i'd ball on all yo bitch asses hahahaha jk jk

Well, they didn't actually ask any women their numbers. They were anonymously self-reported.

In any event, almost 10% of women reported having 15 or more partners. And the majority of those women that were married are now divorced. So if nothing else it suggests that the notion of the reformed slut is more myth than reality.

[cheerupemokid]

one thing I wished they could have found out is whether or not those marriages that involved chaste women were actually a success. The definition behind success in this case probably means that the marriage lasted but that by no means its a success, it just means that both parties were willing to stick it through.


I am willing to bet that most of those guys with chaste women are probably cheating on their wives and most women that know they are cheating on will not leave their men if it happens to be their first. I knew two women, who were around the age of 28, they sticked with their husbands for 10 years even though he was cheating in the first because it was their "first" and they were so emotionally attached to their male counterparts because they've never shared that bond with another

WHILST a woman who has had other partners understand that she can be treated better elsewhere

Just how I interpreted that last segment of your post.

That's not an argument that's going to get me on board with the sluts are okay to date bandwagon.

Quite the opposite actually. You can **** up and a chaste girl will stay with you? That's f'n loyalty.

80% of men don't get laid very much......

80% of men are the reason women are so sexually repressed.....

80% of men have no clue how many guys the average women will have had sexual relations with....

80% of guys get the other 20% laid all the f*cking time....

LMAO @ women being sexually repressed.

You do realize there was a thread in the misc yesterday which featured an 11 year old talking about "****ing till she bleeds" on youtube yesterday, right? That's the society we live in today.

Also, lol @ you thinking holding women in low regard and even having contempt for their behavior is a detriment to getting laid.

So a girl can't go out, have fun and **** a random dude but a guy can. Strong double standards are strong.

It takes two.

Strong lack of insight into the differences between men and women.

And a girl can do whatever the **** she wants but I don't want to hear her complain about how hard it is to find a good man when her looks start to fade and she's desperate to start a family, but can't find one because she's been ridden hard and put away wet, so many times.

[Piranha89]

Strong lack of insight into the differences between men and women.

And a girl can do whatever the **** she wants but I don't want to hear her complain about how hard it is to find a good man when her looks start to fade and she's desperate to start a family, but can't find one because she's been ridden hard and put away wet, so many times.

You define insight as society's expectations between men and women.

So is a guy who gets around going to have trouble starting a family, not finding one because he was ridden hard by other women????

[Svonne]

I wonder if gay guys have this sorta hang up. 'That guy is a slut, will do anything in bed, stay the hell away from him' Any gay men wanna comment???



Also I've never seen the male double standard. It still puzzles me tho, seems contradictory to thier desires. Looks more like guys hate everyone equally who will actually sleep with them.

female sleeping with lots of men = slut, whore
male sleeping with lots of men = f@g, homo

male sleeping with lots of females = alpha
female sleeping with lots of females = hot

[cheerupemokid]

You define insight as society's expectations between men and women.

So is a guy who gets around going to have trouble starting a family, not finding one because he was ridden hard by other women????

It's not even societal expectations, it's what the two sexes want.

A man that has had a lot of partners will have no trouble starting a family with a woman because the fact that he is so attractive to other females will make his future wife attracted to him.

Women are status chasers.

Not only that but women tend to view inexperienced men with contempt. As I told janky, if you get into an argument with a girl on the internet, there's a 90% chance that as some point in the argument you'll be called a virgin or your prowess with women will be called into question. Guys that get laid with a great deal of frequency usually have a higher status than virgins, in the eyes of women. So promiscuity is not a detriment to a guy getting what he wants out of a woman.

Most rock stars and athletes **** more women than they can possibly count. Everyone knows this. Yet, women continue to throw themselves at these people. Clearly, your sexual history doesn't matter if you're a guy (unless you're a virgin and not famous or rich) your status is what matters.

Men on the other hand (when it comes to actual relationships) want (primarily) physical attractiveness and loyalty. A woman's status as a slut might not be a perfect indicator that a woman won't be loyal but it is probably the best one out there. Especially, considering more self-identified sluts are divorced than married at the moment.

[Danger_Close]

I hate sluts. I think they should burn. How can a woman sleep around and be used as a cum dumpster. Sluts dont deserve to be in a relationship

but your a slut.....

[Atlas_Army]

That's not an argument that's going to get me on board with the sluts are okay to date bandwagon.

Quite the opposite actually. You can **** up and a chaste girl will stay with you? That's f'n loyalty.

.

What im trying to get at with all that nonsense is, a woman should stay with you if you **** up. you've betrayed that bond and since I believe that chaste women do not know any better they remain in teh relationship.

it really boils down to this... do you want a woman that is ignorantly in love or knowledgeably in love?

a slut realizes she has options whilst a chaste woman sees you and only you, I prefer to build a bond with someone who can see rather then someone who can only see for me.

[janky]

Honestly dude, respect for trying. I tried to explain this a few months ago in a few threads. Got nowhere, hence the attitude.

Problem is that BB is a hobby that many people get into due to poor self image. Said guys work on their physical selves but ignore the underlying problem.

Said (now jacked) guys have a thin veneer of confidence provided by physical shape but don't really believe in themselves enough to make it stick.

As a consequence, girls lose the initial spark of attraction very quickly and run off with other guys. Clearly this is the woman's fault so the guys go in search of the mythical non-slut who will not do this. They do not realise that it will keep happening no matter what unless they find someone with less self-confidence than themselves.

I honestly hope you get through to some of these guys I really do, don't know if you post in the misc but sometimes it gets really pathetic.

For your next project/thread I suggest you try and tackle jealousy. I hope you have more luck than me.

Very true. It's all in what you project to the world. ANNNNNNNNNNND I will definitely consider that topic next.
Dude, if you have anything you've written PM me and I'll put your stuff on my website.

I see that going well, being in a relationship where I'm held hostage to my GF's perverse sexual past.

I don't believe that everybody can be saved, if you do that's fine you play Mother Theresa.

wat? bolded = you intimidated by a girls past = you need to feel "better" than her past to soothe your ego = insecurity.
See the pattern?

And I'm not saving sht. We live in a sick, greedy, fcked up world. I'm trying to get mine while hurting the least amount of people possible - and along the way I'd like to do something memorable... that's all.

False premise, dude.
You're a man. Not a woman. You're not a "slut".

A woman who whores around is not the moral equivalent of a man who sleeps around, not for arbitrary patriarchal reasons but for logical biological reasons.

See..
this is the kind of sht I need an explanation on.
Cheeup has given the best attempt so far, and even then (no offense cuek) but I feel it was lackluster.

can ANYONE please explain this double standard? How is it any different?

It all depends on the girl. If she's straight, up front, and completely honest, about things then I'll cut her some slack.
I will hold more respect for a girl that holds on to her values and waits until marriage then one that doesn't, and I would expect women to hold men in the same regard.

Well, I agree - it's going to boil down to VALUES and CHARACTER. That's what should matter in choosing a partner. If she can be HONEST about something so shady from her past, that speaks volumes about her honesty in general and her character itself.
None of us are saints, we all do effed up sht... being able to admit that makes us better people IMO.
Admit your mistakes, own them, and improve.

So you don't buy into the you can't turn a whore into a housewife mantra? Have you actually met an honest, reformed slut that is actually honest and reformed? I'm acquaintances with some sluts that claim to be honest and reformed (they have boyfriends that they totally love and think they're going to marry) but they still put themselves in bad situations---i.e. surrounded by lots of dudes drinking tons of booze and doing drugs while their bf's are away. Poor bastards are too dumb or too whipped to realize what's going on.

How many virgins do you have experience with? I just got out of law school and ran through some of the undergrad population and not even any of the freshman girls were virgins.

A few, actually. I know a small handful of reformed sluts that are very loyal. Keep in mind, if you wanna break an omellete you gotta make a few eggs.. lol
NO ONE goes lookin for love and only hooks up with 2 people. that's stupid and so counter productive it's ridiculous.
Most people end up sleeping with a few and trying some people out before finding something that works. Some people take longer, and therefore have more partners.

You can't classify "sluts" so black and white-ly. There are insecure gutter whores who'll do anything (ANYTHING) to get attention to feel pretty or wanted .. and there are confident women who LIKE SEX (omg no wai!) and just havent found someone worth seriously investing in.
Both will get the "slut" label, but as I mentioned in the last reply, it boils down to values and character that define the person, not simply their sexual history.

My thought on the whole wild phase is that every woman I've ever met has basically had the temperament of a child. They talk about independence, girl power and all of that other bull****. But how they actually act is that they're constantly testing boundaries and don't want to take any responsibility for any of their actions. I think you'd probably have to set non-negotiable boundaries. Just a thought, I haven't met a girl worth dating since I developed said outlook.

That can happen with virgins or sluts. Take your pick.

I don't understand your next paragraph. You'd be okay with an open relationship in which your partner would get ****ed by other guys (cause its just sex) but you wouldn't be okay dating a hooker (who is up front with you about it). Why isn't it just sex when she's a whore---the only difference is she's getting paid for it.

Values and character. Neither my values nor my character would align with a woman that sold her pussy for drug money.
A woman who's taken that path in life would not be compatible with my wants or needs in a relationship, therefore I would not waste my time attempting to date her.

Open relationship? Ok. Say some gorgeous little chick with a masters degree just got out of a toxic relationship. She has a BLAST with me, we hit it off like crazy, have AMAZING sex, etc.. but she is NOT about to be tied down since she never got to go through that "phase".
An "open relationship" (read: fck buddy) is the ONLY scenario that makes sense.
think about it;
Push her aside and lose out on bomb sex/a good, fun person? Why? Just because she won't commit to you?
That's stupid. You can still have fun NSA. Who cares if she gets other dick? As long as she's safe and not giving you any diseases, does it really matter?
Why would you try to force a loving relationship down someone's throat when it's not what they want!?

Again, it doesn't apply to you because you're a man. It's your biological imperative to spread your seed. And aside from that you can't put on a black dress, **** me heels, go out and have a line of the opposite sex line up to try to **** you, now can you?

This sht.
Your interpretation of biology is incredibly antiquated and not really applicable in today's world if thats how you really feel.
I can put on my black button down and a tie, dress slacks, business shoes, do my hair, spray some D&G on, and go out and have a line of 4's and 5's line up to try and **** me.
Yes. I can.


Put dat in your pipe and smoke it.

It's the same sht brah. That's why I get so sick of that argument that men can't be whores. Everyone defaults back to the stupid "men line up to fck" argument.
SO DO WOMEN... guys just never notice cause they're too busy beating themselvse up with insecurity and debating how to approach lol.

And if you wanna take it to an aesthetical level, like I said before - ANY guy can have 4's and 5's lined up if they cleaned up and presented themselves confidently.
You say women will have hotter men lined up? I disagree. Typically the men who do approach hot women are nowhere near the caliber of male she'd PREFER. Also, we can't just leave out the variable that women base attraction off emotion, not looks. If these douches are just spitting PUA lingo or being like "Haaay shawty yo ay ay.. lemme holla atchu get atcha boi" then the girls are going to (like that ecnewyx?) and leave.

If they do resort to accepting one of these guys, it's settling.
If a guy resorts to fcking a 4 or 5, it's settling.

Please explain to me how this is ANY different?

Didn't you recently hook up with a raccoon who had a bf? By doing that, not only did you beat other guys by convincing her to sleep with your over the tens of thousands of other options at her disposal but you convinced her to betray some dude she supposedly "loves."

You actually accomplished something. When a girl gives it up five minutes after meeting a guy, she hasn't accomplished anything. In fact, she could have probably held out for better but because she lacks self-respect she ****ed the first dude that smiled at her.

You see?

I did. I decided to indulge my inner devil. annnnnnnd tbh with you bro, it didn't take much. She's tormented by his cheating and desperately trying to "even the score" because she's a feeble minded teen that doesn't fully grasp adult rationale.
After I banged her, she's slept with probably 3 other guys from work as well. At least I got her first
I don't feel I accomplished anything really. I caught her staring a few too many times and I thougth she was cute so I went and said hi.
I escalated following procedure and ended up cumming in her mouth.

In this scenario, you may have a valid point - she didn't accomplish much. and she certainly hasn't accomplished much in sloring (like that kfuu?) around work with a new guy every couple days. I didn't accomplish much either. I put forth minimal time and effort to bang a girl that's ready to bang away. woopty doo.

However, she IS pursuing on a marginal level, And tbh, if a male put forth the pursuit she puts forth, he could easily get some easy sex too - soooooooo
as always.....

I still don't follow the mantra that men can't be sluts because girls have options and don't do anything. that's bs.
And if you really wanna get into it - women don't do anything? YOU KIDDING?
You ever seen how long it takes a woman to get ready?!
You ever seen a girl's room and how much ****ing makeup and outfits she has?
You ever seen a girl's credit card bills for the past year or two and tallied up the amount spent on clothes and beauty related products?

SHEEEEEEEEEEIT.
What do you call that then? That's ATTRACTION. That's THEM PUTTING IN EFFORT.
They're trying to be as hot as possible to attract the guys they want.
Just like guys do - except guys put more effort into actually going up and saying hi (well, the successful ones anyway) because we're not pussies that would be crushed if someone said no (well, the successful ones anyway).

I wonder if gay guys have this sorta hang up. 'That guy is a slut, will do anything in bed, stay the hell away from him' Any gay men wanna comment???



Also I've never seen the male double standard. It still puzzles me tho, seems contradictory to thier desires. Looks more like guys hate everyone equally who will actually sleep with them.

female sleeping with lots of men = slut, whore
male sleeping with lots of men = f@g, homo

male sleeping with lots of females = alpha
female sleeping with lots of females = hot

I lol'd.
Good point. Yea, I'd be interested in that too- what's the gay take on this scenario?

[Piranha89]

It's not even societal expectations, it's what the two sexes want.

A man that has had a lot of partners will have no trouble starting a family with a woman because the fact that he is so attractive to other females will make his future wife attracted to him.

Women are status chasers.

Not only that but women tend to view inexperienced men with contempt. As I told janky, if you get into an argument with a girl on the internet, there's a 90% chance that as some point in the argument you'll be called a virgin or your prowess with women will be called into question. Guys that get laid with a great deal of frequency usually have a higher status than virgins, in the eyes of women. So promiscuity is not a detriment to a guy getting what he wants out of a woman.

Most rock stars and athletes **** more women than they can possibly count. Everyone knows this. Yet, women continue to throw themselves at these people. Clearly, your sexual history doesn't matter if you're a guy (unless you're a virgin and not famous or rich) your status is what matters.

Men on the other hand (when it comes to actual relationships) want (primarily) physical attractiveness and loyalty. A woman's status as a slut might not be a perfect indicator that a woman won't be loyal but it is probably the best one out there. Especially, considering more self-identified sluts are divorced than married at the moment.

Status can be anything. Good looks is a status symbol. And how do you know what women want? Some just want to have sex with attractive guys, just like men.

"As I told janky, if you get into an argument with a girl on the internet, there's a 90% chance that as some point in the argument you'll be called a virgin or your prowess with women will be called into question."

That's SOCIETY telling you that virginity is bad and that lack of experience with women is bad. Societal influences is what pushes certain behaviors, not genetics.

[BrawnySwoleman]

I see what you're saying janky. I'm reading your 300 page thread, only on around 80 now lol. You seem to throw around the word slut a lot yourself, don't you see that as counter-productive to what you believe since you belive girls should be more sexually open?

[janky]

I see what you're saying janky. I'm reading your 300 page thread, only on around 80 now lol. You seem to throw around the word slut a lot yourself, don't you see that as counter-productive to what you believe since you belive girls should be more sexually open?

Nah. I throw the word ******* around a lot too. I have absolutely nothing against gays and am friends with a couple. I say cuzz a lot too, and I'm clearly not a crip or gang affiliated in any way.

It's all in how the person perceives it. I know what I meant

Plus, There's a distinction... I don't really respect women who desperately throw around their pussy thinking it makes them valid or a hot commodity. It doesn't. Any guy likes pussy and any girl has pussy. It does nothing to prove one's validity.
If I call those women "sluts" it's a bit of a more "concrete"ly defined term yanno?

If a girl talks about getting laid and I go "OMFG you're a lil sluzz" and jokingly refer to her as a slut for the rest of the convo, then it's more of a light-hearted slang.

Should people be sexually open? That's personal choice. The only time I have an issue with people's behavior is when they act like they're hot sht with no good reason behind it, or are damaging others.

Plus, if a girl pissed me off, I'd call her a slut cause I know it'll hit a nerve. It's not cause I personally have any objections to slutdom, it's just to hit that chord yanno?