In what way do flyes develop the chest?

[ew1]

What makes them different to benching? Do they work a certain area of the chest or what ?



Thanks.

[HolyMoly]

I find them overrated (personaly)

The movement doesn't feel natural to me. I use flyes mainly for stretching at the end of my workout (as a static holding exercise)

But that is my personal opinion

They say they add more width to the pecs

[watertoy]

Atrainer flyes are the best mass builder

[Jippo]

I also find them extremely overrated as an exercise, after a large amount of experimentation i maintain that weighted dips are the most superior exercise for the chest.

[joebrosef]

I also find them extremely overrated as an exercise, after a large amount of experimentation i maintain that weighted dips are the most superior exercise for the chest.

This + benching = big chest.

[talligator]

I also find them extremely overrated as an exercise, after a large amount of experimentation i maintain that weighted dips are the most superior exercise for the chest.

but dont those also involve a lot of the lats?

it makes sense that the more stress you put on the chest, the bigger/stronger it gets

idk, im a total newbie, correct me at will

but just my thoughts

[JAC4146]

they are suppose to be for aesthetic purposes...

[DerReise]

they are suppose to be for aesthetic purposes...

lolwut?

Flyes are at the core of my chest workouts because I believe they've helped my chest grow greatly. However, before them comes either incline/flat DB press, combo of both, and chest dips.

Do them as a final exercise, or superset them with incline presses.

[Jippo]

but dont those also involve a lot of the lats?

it makes sense that the more stress you put on the chest, the bigger/stronger it gets

idk, im a total newbie, correct me at will

but just my thoughts

Dips are just an all round awesome exercise for the upper body, for a number of months now i've primarily only used weighted dips and overhead press variants for my pressing work and i think it's plenty. I think benching is also fairly overrated, unless you need to do it to be tested for sports etc i just don't find it to be a hugely functional/useful lift.

These days there seems to be some strange fascination with trying to get a massive chest when in reality big strong shoulders and traps and a low bodyfat is what makes your upper body look powerful. Big bulging pecs erring on the side of drooping tits doesn't make you look jacked.

[HolyMoly]

Dips are just an all round awesome exercise for the upper body, for a number of months now i've primarily only used weighted dips and overhead press variants for my pressing work and i think it's plenty. I think benching is also fairly overrated, unless you need to do it to be tested for sports etc i just don't find it to be a hugely functional/useful lift.

These days there seems to be some strange fascination with trying to get a massive chest when in reality big strong shoulders and traps and a low bodyfat is what makes your upper body look powerful. Big bulging pecs erring on the side of drooping tits doesn't make you look jacked.

The lifters of old focused on overhead presses and dips for that exact reason

[AHTTG]

they are suppose to be for aesthetic purposes...

Not necessarily. Most Sheiko variations have db flyes as the main accessory lift to bench press. It's a purely powerlifting, dual factor program.

To answer the original question, it's an isolation movement vs a compound. There's no stress on triceps or deltoids, all chest.

[Tyrbolift]

Not necessarily. Most Sheiko variations have db flyes as the main accessory lift to bench press. It's a purely powerlifting, dual factor program.

To answer the original question, it's an isolation movement vs a compound. There's no stress on triceps or deltoids, all chest.

"you must spread reputation...blablabla..."

[HolyMoly]

Not necessarily. Most Sheiko variations have db flyes as the main accessory lift to bench press. It's a purely powerlifting, dual factor program.

To answer the original question, it's an isolation movement vs a compound. There's no stress on triceps or deltoids, all chest.

Flyes are a accessory lift for the bench press? For which part of the lift? Just curious.

[DerReise]

Flyes are a accessory lift for the bench press? For which part of the lift? Just curious.

It simply means that once you tax your chest with a compound move such as the bench press, you can then finish off your chest with this isolation movement, focusing entirely on the pecs.

[AHTTG]

Flyes are a accessory lift for the bench press? For which part of the lift? Just curious.

There's very little information from Sheiko himself, so I really don't want to speak for him. But, here's the most widespread excel sheet on his programs. It was put together by a poster here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/17976027...2008.08.25.xls

29, 30 and 31 for example all have db flyes following almost every bench session. Considering how successful his trainees have been, it can't be all THAT useless.

[HolyMoly]

It simply means that once you tax your chest with a compound move such as the bench press, you can then finish off your chest with this isolation movement, focusing entirely on the pecs.

I would understand it in a bodybuilding context. But sheiko is a strenght building routine, to add numbers. So that's why I asked.

[talligator]

Dips are just an all round awesome exercise for the upper body, for a number of months now i've primarily only used weighted dips and overhead press variants for my pressing work and i think it's plenty. I think benching is also fairly overrated, unless you need to do it to be tested for sports etc i just don't find it to be a hugely functional/useful lift.

These days there seems to be some strange fascination with trying to get a massive chest when in reality big strong shoulders and traps and a low bodyfat is what makes your upper body look powerful. Big bulging pecs erring on the side of drooping tits doesn't make you look jacked.

I see. Dude that makes total sense. In fact, I was considering building parallel bars for dips in my basement, you just added more reason for doing so. But thanks, man! Great logic, great advice!

repped

[talligator]

I also find them extremely overrated as an exercise, after a large amount of experimentation i maintain that weighted dips are the most superior exercise for the chest.

But one question here. How do you strap weight to yourself for these weighted dips? (I'm assuming these are also good for pullups)

[400Lb Gorilla]

But one question here. How do you strap weight to yourself for these weighted dips? (I'm assuming these are also good for pullups)

weight belt is the best way IMO. just a leather belt with a chain. a book bag with weight i hear works well and holding a DB between your feet if you can manage it

[robwein83]

Good isolation exercise to burn out the chest at the end of your chest routine. It certainly is not a mass builder since you are using substantially lighter weight. Like I said, It is great at the end of your routine to burn out the chest and really get the blood pumping into those chest fibraz. I think it really benefits in establishing better mind/muscle connection.