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    cardio with gas mask

    I was wondering if doing cardio while wearing a gas mask or something like that will actually improve your cardio over-all, especially endurance and things like running times?

    thanks in advance
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    Wow.
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    Sounds like a recipe for passing out to me. Ussualy running in thinner air helps with that, not cutting off the air circulation.

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    Originally Posted by PFCDDownard View Post
    I was wondering if doing cardio while wearing a gas mask or something like that will actually improve your cardio over-all, especially endurance and things like running times?

    thanks in advance
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    Yes, olympic athletes have been known to train at high altitudes to make training in a relatively oxygen-rich environment easier. I don't think a gas mask is ideal, though.

    It apparently can help in strength training too:
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    to be clear... do you mean a gas mask as in what was in post #2, or do you mean an O2 mask that they put on you in ambulances and such..?
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    Originally Posted by pharmamarketer View Post
    Wow.
    I think you would look like a fukin tool and a freak
    Right, because it's not like he's in the military in the anything.


    Oh wait...
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    Originally Posted by JohnnyOhhh View Post
    Right, because it's not like he's in the military in the anything.


    Oh wait...
    Then why is he asking us butt face. Go ask the military. I still think he would look like a tool. Thanks for adding nothing
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    Originally Posted by pharmamarketer View Post
    Then why is he asking us butt face. Go ask the military. I still think he would look like a tool. Thanks for adding nothing
    For a 36 year old, you don't know much.
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    Originally Posted by pharmamarketer View Post
    Then why is he asking us butt face. Go ask the military. I still think he would look like a tool. Thanks for adding nothing
    well its actually done quite a bit in the military and who in the military am i supposed to ask, is the military listed in the phone book? i dont care what i look like i care about results. i would say the only person that added nothing was you, other than that nifty little picture that i can now use as a reference, thank you for that then.




    and i meant a gas mask as in the one pictured yes. Ive been told it helps with your endurance and your mile times and helps you keep your breathing under control. but im not sure if this is just one of those trainging myths or it can actually help. basically i need to help my endurance breathing wise.
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    Originally Posted by PFCDDownard View Post
    well its actually done quite a bit in the military and who in the military am i supposed to ask, is the military listed in the phone book? i dont care what i look like i care about results. i would say the only person that added nothing was you, other than that nifty little picture that i can now use as a reference, thank you for that then.




    and i meant a gas mask as in the one pictured yes. Ive been told it helps with your endurance and your mile times and helps you keep your breathing under control. but im not sure if this is just one of those trainging myths or it can actually help. basically i need to help my endurance breathing wise.
    You will look like a tool. Go do it and stop asking. And yes there are a number of articles by military personnel on the internet regarding your topic. Do some research. I just found 16 articles in 10 seconds.
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    Look out its Psycho Mantis!!

    Lolz. jk.

    Honestly you would have less oxygen to work with which MIGHT help when you work with it off. Although I did read something like this in a fitness mag i just read yesterday. Ill check it out later and post more about it
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    I am in the military and this is actually my MOS (job). I deal with gas masks on a daily basis. I have seen military members running in them and I consider them stupid.
    When we go through training we are always told you get about the same amount of air through a mask as you do if it wasn't on. The breathing is just controlled through a filter so others think it is more difficult.
    Hope this helps.

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    Originally Posted by Marineinthebox View Post
    When we go through training we are always told you get about the same amount of air through a mask as you do if it wasn't on. The breathing is just controlled through a filter so others think it is more difficult.
    .
    of course it must be more difficult as there is more resistance for the air to go through. thats why in machines with a finer filter you need a stronger motor to get the same volume flow rate of air.

    here u get the same amount of air only by breathing harder - your lungs must work harder to create more suction. another way of looking at it is you dont get the same amount of air for the same level of (energy or effort) input.

    if you can invent a filter with no air resistance whatsoever so u get the same amount of air for the same amount of input energy then u will be the greatest nobel prize winner ever.

    i imagine the op's intent is analogous to running with a weighted vest for the legs. he is just 'weighing down' the lungs to get them to work harder.
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    Originally Posted by pharmamarketer View Post
    You will look like a tool. Go do it and stop asking. And yes there are a number of articles by military personnel on the internet regarding your topic. Do some research. I just found 16 articles in 10 seconds.
    Most people in the military are just as clueless as the regular joe schmo when it comes to fitness.


    As MITB said, it isn't changed much, but I will say it is not the same amount of air. It does get harder. I remember when we would get smoked in our masks, it is harder. Part of it, is probably that you are taking in more carbon dioxide that (probably) builds up in the mask.

    However, I'm sure restricting your ability to breath can help your performance. As stated, runners will train in higher altitudes to get their body acclimated to thinner air, then run in lower elevations for competitions. I know while i was in bagram (a mile up) my run time suffered, and when I returned to the states, it was a breeze. The air thing really made a difference.

    Just like doing all your practice runs on uneven terrain, than transitioning to hardball for your tests. If you make your run more difficult during training, than your tests standards, you'll benefit.
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    this situation is not really comparable to running at high altitudes.
    exercise in thin air simply forces your body to produce more hemoglobin so that you can deal more efficiently with a smaller concentration of oxygen per unit volume of air. so blood chemistry changes.
    o.p will just be training his lungs to create more suction power, nothing else.
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    Originally Posted by gomez26 View Post
    this situation is not really comparable to running at high altitudes.
    exercise in thin air simply forces your body to produce more hemoglobin so that you can deal more efficiently with a smaller concentration of oxygen per unit volume of air. so blood chemistry changes.
    o.p will just be training his lungs to create more suction power, nothing else.
    Ahhh, good info. I had no clue, was making assumptions on that one.
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    Originally Posted by Marineinthebox View Post
    I am in the military and this is actually my MOS (job). I deal with gas masks on a daily basis. I have seen military members running in them and I consider them stupid.
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    Damn dude, must suck to be ordered to do things you consider are stupid .
    I'm a bit surprised though, normally the defense forces are very clued up on everything. The average shmoe may not be aware, but in general the systems are designed by experts. Afterall, the internet was first developed by the military

    I can imagine running in these masks is preparing them to get used to working hard with restricted air flow, like the dude mentioned before air resistance obviously is greater when you gotta filter it. Say if they have to dig a trench or something with those things on, they will get tired quicker if they're not used to it.
    Dont think. Just do it.

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    Originally Posted by delineator View Post
    I'm a bit surprised though, normally the defense forces are very clued up on everything. The average shmoe may not be aware, but in general the systems are designed by experts.
    No. Most of the military uses archaic systems/approaches to many things, especially when it comes to fitness and nutrition. The misinformation is rampant. Technology and weapons are prototyped/developed around the military. Fitness is not.
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    Originally Posted by delineator View Post
    Damn dude, must suck to be ordered to do things you consider are stupid .
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    ROFL! If you haven't been in the military, you have no idea!
    No brain, no gain.

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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    ROFL! If you haven't been in the military, you have no idea!
    Yeah, I just decided to skip over that part of his post, and avoid going into a rant.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    ROFL! If you haven't been in the military, you have no idea!
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    yeah, i just decided to skip over that part of his post, and avoid going into a rant. :d
    lol
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    OP, running in gas mask is ghey.


    You'll have better luck training your lungs breathing through a McDonald's straw.... that's how we improved our underwater swim times when I was a lifeguard.
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    I think its unnecessary, although your personal decision.
    Bodybuilding is 60% training and 50% diet. Yes that adds up to 110%, because that's what you should be giving it. Change the inside, and the physique will follow.

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    Toney Freeman, a top tier bodybuilder uses an oxygen mask to force feed oxygen to his lungs while he does his cardio.
    akkxn - just lift heavy ****.

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    Originally Posted by sugicalmike View Post
    OP, running in gas mask is ghey.
    You'll have better luck training your lungs breathing through a McDonald's straw.... that's how we improved our underwater swim times when I was a lifeguard.

    yes that would actually be very similar. any constriction that would require a greater pressure difference to maintain a certain flow rate will do the trick. but given that they are more likely to be required to do strenuous activities wearing a mask than using a mcdonalds straw, it kinda makes sense that the mask for him would be the better choice so he gets used to that specific environment. lifeguard dudes may think the mask is ghey, army dudes may think the mcdonalds straw is ghey. same argument really.
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    Originally Posted by delineator View Post
    I'm a bit surprised though, normally the defense forces are very clued up on everything. The average shmoe may not be aware, but in general the systems are designed by experts.
    Evidently you have never been in the military.

    Basically the Army, at least, is like a big football club with guns run by bureaucrats. PFC D Downard here is definitely not out of place in his... um, excellent ideas.
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    For the rest of us in the Military. I speak for the majority. We are not all as retarded as the OP is. Really OP?
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    Originally Posted by MAKUA NUI View Post
    For the rest of us in the Military. I speak for the majority. We are not all as retarded as the OP is. Really OP?

    MOPP Suit + ProMask = Gainz!




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