Bodybuilding will reduce your life expectancy?

[SeanP35]

Wow you are brilliant. We should never bother using mice to conduct experiments in order to predict how human bodies would react to circumstances, simply because mice aren't humans. Nevermind that we all evolved from the same cells, thats not important. Nevermind virtually every medical achievement in the 20th century involved the use in animal testing as well, thats just not important. Humans are obviously gods among animals and don't follow the laws of nature.

Chocolate kills dogs, chocolate doesn't kill humans. Aw shucks, I just disproved your dumbass post.

[IRockNikes]

i look at skinny kids now and wonder how they can live their lives looking like a malnourished jew (no racist)

Life is so much better being built.

You're 150lbs...

Chocolate kills dogs, chocolate doesn't kill humans. Aw shucks, I just disproved your dumbass post.

I hope this was a joke.

[demoniclizard]

Chocolate kills dogs, chocolate doesn't kill humans. Aw shucks, I just disproved your dumbass post.

Dogs die eating chocolate because of an allergic reaction to theobromine.

Have any friends that are fatally allergic to nuts?

Guess your friends MUST be aliens then.

The study is comparing the overall way in which cells respond to calorie consumption, not how individual species respond to a certain diet. The fact that primates, rats, and other invertebrates respond in a similar fashion means its reasonable to guess that humans do as well.

Maybe you should learn to sort out what is relevant and what is not.

[JustNavid]

I much rather live a bit shorter and be a lion, than live forever and be a pussy.

Now Squat.

[WinterWoIf]

lmfao...

A Mice =/= a human being..

Plus lol, Being Swole and then maintaining your physique WILL NOT ****ing reduce your life expectancy.l

You are right, a "mice" ages differently than a human. The way a mice ages should not be compared to the way a human ages because humans have different, magical cells that age differently.

Lol I just watched this thing about this japanese inventor Yoshiro Nakamatsu and how he has determined through studying his diet, eating various meals, and having tests performed on himself right after eating that a certain diet of 700 calories and rigorous exercise would allow him to live to be 148. too bad he looks frail and like he won't survive another decade. Interesting though.

[jack12345]

You are right, a "mice" ages differently than a human. The way a mice ages should not be compared to the way a human ages because humans have different, magical cells that age differently.

Lol I just watched this thing about this japanese inventor Yoshiro Nakamatsu and how he has determined through studying his diet, eating various meals, and having tests performed on himself right after eating that a certain diet of 700 calories and rigorous exercise would allow him to live to be 148. too bad he looks frail and like he won't survive another decade. Interesting though.

lol why would one put in the effort to live to 148 and have a **** life, when they could easily die tommorrow due to something else like a car accident or something.

[pidginduck]

Anybody else shaking their heads as they go through this thread? I think the only people that got what the OP was saying are Number_Seven and jack12345. I was about to neg everyone that says mice testing is invalid since they aren't human but then I saw the overwhelming number of people bringing it up again. Sigh.

[J-Cubed]

be skinny fat/fat and die of some stupid of cause of death
be big and muscular and die of some stupid cause of death

In reality what the hell is living properly ?
eating certain foods reduces life span
studies show where you live and what you do reduces your life span
smoking reduces life span
drinking reduces life span
eating too little reduces life span
eating too much reduces life span
working to much reduces life span
so much more will reduce your life span

to maximise your ****ing lifespan you have to lift a life with a perfect diet and well...perfect everything. In other words... you would be maximising your life span but you wouldnt actually be able to have a life... and even if you did everthing perfectly you could die tommorrow.

Just do what you want and you die when you die.

Good post.

[beardymcbeard]

Ehhh life expectancy vs. quality of life


EDIT: whoops, bit late..

[PapaPrime]

omg

do what u want and u die wen u die

[crazyguy111]

Professional bodybuilding may due to too much of protein and steroid use, but not non professional bodybuilding.

[SeeYaay]

Basically if the bodybuilding concept is caloric excess to promote cellular growth, and our biological age is determined by cell growth and death, then is it reasonable to assume the constant growth that bodybuilders experience will cause premature cell aging?

This is of course ignoring the the health benefits of exercise that is is generally above average, and the the more than likely better nutrition that bodybuilders are educated on.

Well, weight training is certainly linked to better health, but more extreme bulk eating and extreme protein intakes have certainly also been proven to increase the risk of cancer. The real answer is as you know, not so simple. So many things weigh in, besides lifestyle, genetics, where you live, what you were exposed to during your childhood, epigenetics etc.

I mean, for example, chili was recently linked to longevity, but eating chili peppers will not guarantee you to live longer.

progressisknowledge.com/healthmedicine/nutrition/chili-linked-to-human-longevity/

[anonymous]

Oh boy, I HOPE! Guess I'm gonna start lifting twice a day now

[Mehhzyy]

who cares

brb probably gonna live to 50 but gonna get more out of life than someone living to 90
brb 50's still a pretty long time if you think about it
brb no fks given

[Justinin]

The key is moderation and balance.. Having a lean muscle mass, by excercising n eating nutritious food will only add quality years to life. Excess of anything is harmful, including muscles

[willBstrong]

Well I'm glad tiny rodents and fukking yeast are comparable to humans

Not srs

[TheRajKumar]

if that were true about what your saying which i doubt it is, you have to ask your self, would you rather have an amazing physique and die at 70, or look like ET and die at 95. and all the confidence/ladies the body brings.

awesome reply

[LuisTheStotan]

It depends on how much mass you put on, there is strict scienctific evidence that if you get big enough you will live forever... as a legend.

[ArctosWolf]

Well I'm glad tiny rodents and fukking yeast are comparable to humans

Not srs

You're right, we need to be very careful generalizing the results from non-human animal studies to humans. However, there is quite a lot of research on human populations demonstrating the benefits of caloric restriction with respect to life expectancy. Also it pays to start by mentioning, we might not like the truth, we might even resent it so much that we refuse to accept it, no matter how clear cut it is. But that will never have even a remote impact on whether it is, in fact, the truth.

So what if bodybuilding decreases life expectancy? Many of us may prefer to live a shorter life with greater muscle mass, over a longer life with a small build. That choice is going to be down to the individual, as far as what the individual values for themselves goes.

There are a number of reasons that bodybuilders likely have shorter life expectancy than other types of athletes, e.g. long distance runners, tennis players, etc.. One of the reasons is almost certainly the fact that bodybuilders, by in large, do not practice caloric restriction. It is a scientific fact that the body switches processes on and off in response to environmental stimuli. When the body frequently consumes adequate or excess protein, for example, it switches off (or reduces the activity of) mechanisms that break down its proteins into free amino acids. Building proteins from free amino acids is one of the most energetically taxing processes for the body's cells. Therefore it makes no sense to the body to break down and reproduce its proteins regularly if it is getting a consistent intake of free amino acids. The body does not have to worry about ensuring it has enough building blocks to build new proteins when it needs to, because it expects these building blocks to be in ample supply when we consume them regularly in large quantities. The downside to this is that the older a protein gets, the more likely it is to start collecting damage. And cellular damage is one of the key initiating factors in the development of tumors.

When practicing caloric restriction, e.g. consuming bare minimum required amounts of protein, the body switches on cellular processes responsible for breaking older proteins down into free amino acids. It responds to the expectation that it is not getting ample regular supply of free amino acids, and it does so by breaking its proteins down into those building blocks so that they are there when it needs to build new proteins. This has the benefit of increased protein turnover rates, and each time this happens it results in the net effect of less proteins with built up damage. It's just like building a house out of bricks, and over time as the house collects normal damage, e.g. as the brick cement crumbles, as a brick falls out here or there, you either leave it as it is to continue collecting damage until it is in ruins, or you break the walls down in a controlled fashion, replacing one or two damaged ones, and rebuild the wall with fresh brick cement to make it like new again. Which of the two houses is likely to have the most damage to its structure over the long term? Which house is going to crumble due to more and more damage building up and bricks/cement not being restored? Another reason excess protein intake has a negative impact on health, and I say excess because a great deal of people overestimate the amount of protein that they actually require to build muscle, is that protein, as with everything that travels through the blood, must pass through the kidneys. It is a scientific fact that excess protein consumption is hard on the kidneys. Much like drinking too much alcohol is hard on the liver. Bodybuilders, by in large, consume a lot more protein than do tennis players. And they bear the consequences of that, as should be expected.

Another likely reason that body builders have lesser life expectancy is that your heart muscle doesn't grow in the same manner that your gluts, hamstrings, quads, traps, etc. do. The heart muscle more or less remains the same size no matter how much bulk you put on. The more muscle you put on, the more mass that the heart has to work to pump blood to. Having greater mass is well known to put increased strain on the vascular system. This inevitably means more strokes, more heart attacks, more circulatory collapse.

Sure Arnie is 80 years old...My grandmother was nearly 100 when she died, having been a heavy smoker all of her life. She consumed top shelf spirits until the day she died. And she didn't die as a result of any of that, she had a fall and smashed her head. Does that mean that smoking cigarettes doesn't reduce life expectancy? Of course not...There are exceptions to any rule, there are outliers with any correlation. Some people, and I'm not making this up, have been in planes that have disintegrated thousands of meters in the sky, fallen to earth, and lived to write books about their experiences. Does that mean that, in general, people in planes that disintegrate in mid air are just as likely to survive as people who aren't on the plane? Of course not. They are just rare exceptions to a very clear general rule. Just because you can think of some exceptions, some examples of bodybuilders in their 90s, doesn't mean anything. We are talking about life expectancy, the key word being *expectancy*. Sure you can defy the odds, if you are lucky. You can avoid highly expected outcomes, if you are lucky. But that's because you are lucky, and not because of any other reason.

There are a lot more explanations as to why bodybuilders, or even people who do not practice caloric restriction whether bodybuilders or not, have lower life expectancy than people who do practice caloric restriction. Among these are the fact that caloric restriction changes the way your bodies metabolism operates during sleep. There are plenty of other known mechanisms that clearly explain this fact, and plenty of research backing up the reality of it, and that includes an array of research in human research subjects, not just the non-human animal studies. That being said, the same fact holds true for virtually every other animal. That's how much this general rule is built into the very core of living species. It's so true that it not only applies to humans, but to other animals as well.

Is any of this comforting? Of course not. I'm stuffing my face with food as I sit here writing this. I'll probably go and hit some heavy compound exercises later on. I don't like the fact that this isn't going to help my chances of living longer any more than anyone else does. But the facts are the facts, whether we like it or not. The evidence showing the impacts of behaviours associated with bodybuilding on life expectancy is as plentiful as the evidence showing that smoking causes lung cancer. You just need to open your eyes and see it. Don't be afraid, young padawan.

[ArctosWolf]

who cares

brb probably gonna live to 50 but gonna get more out of life than someone living to 90
brb 50's still a pretty long time if you think about it
brb no fks given

You're right. But that's not what the question was. The question wasn't 'is it worth it to live a shorter life with bigger mass, or a longer life with a small frame?'. The question was does bodybuilding impact life expectancy. Whether you think its worth the sacrifice or not is entirely down to personal choice. Whether or not it will in actual fact impact on how long you will likely live is down to scientific fact, and scientific fact doesn't give a **** what your personal preference is.