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    You might wanna sticky this. Collapse - FULL

    Here's Eberts review of the film:

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...IEWS/912099993

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    BY ROGER EBERT / December 9, 2009


    Cast & CreditsVitagraph Films presents a documentary directed by Chris Smith. Featuring Michael Ruppert. Running time: 82 minutes. No MPAA rating.

    If this man is correct, then you may be reading the most important story in today's paper.

    I have no way of assuring you that the bleak version of the future outlined by Michael Ruppert in Chris Smith's "Collapse" is accurate. I can only tell you I have a pretty good built-in B.S. detector, and its needle never bounced off zero while I watched this film. There is controversy over Ruppert, and he has many critics. But one simple fact at the center of his argument is obviously true, and it terrifies me.

    That fact: We have passed the peak of global oil resources. There are only so many known oil reserves. We have used up more than half of them. Remaining reserves are growing smaller, and the demand is growing larger. It took about a century to use up the first half. That usage was much accelerated in the most recent 50 years. Now the oil demands of giant economies like India and China are exploding. They represent more than half the global population, and until recent decades had small energy consumption.

    If the supply is finite, and usage is potentially doubling, you do the math. We will face a global oil crisis, not in the distant future, but within the lives of many now alive. They may well see a world without significant oil.

    Oh, I grow so impatient with those who prattle about our untapped resources in Alaska, yada yada yada. There seems to be only enough oil in Alaska to power the United States for a matter of months. The world's great oil reserves have been discovered.

    Saudi Arabia sits atop the largest oil reservoir ever found. For years, the Saudis have refused to disclose any figures at all about their reserves. If those reserves are vast and easy to tap by drilling straight down through the desert, then ask yourself this question: Why are the Saudis spending billions of dollars to develop offshore drilling platforms?

    Ruppert is a man ordinary in appearance, on the downhill slope of middle age, a chain smoker with a mustache. He is not all worked up. He speaks reasonably and very clearly. "Collapse" involves what he has to say, illustrated with news footage and a few charts, the most striking of which is a bell-shaped curve. It takes a lot of effort to climb a bell-shaped curve, but the descent is steep and dangerous.

    He recites facts I knew, vaguely. Many things are made from oil. Everything plastic. Paint. There are eight gallons of oil in every auto tire. Oil supplies the energy to convert itself into those byproducts. No oil, no plastic, no tires, no gas to run cars, no machines to build them. No coal mines, except those operated by men and horses.

    Alternative energies and conservation? The problem is the cost of obtaining and using it. Ethanol requires more energy than it produces. Hybrid and battery cars need engines, tires and batteries. Nuclear power plants need to be built with oil. Electricity from wind power is most useful near its source. It is transmitted by grids built and maintained by oil. Wave power is expensive to collect. Solar power is cheap and limitless, but we need a whole hell of a lot more solar panels and other collecting devices.

    Like I say, you do the math. Ruppert has done his math, and he concludes that our goose is cooked. He doesn't have any answers. We're passing the point of diminishing returns on the way to our rendezvous with the point of no return. It was nice while it lasted. People lived happily enough in the centuries before oil, electricity and steam, I guess. Of course, there were fewer than 6 billion of us. In this century, Ruppert says, there will be a lot fewer than 6 billion again. It won't be a pretty sight.

    I'm not going to mention his theories about global warming, because that's a subject that inflames too many zealots. About peak oil, his reasoning is clear, simple and hard to refute.

    So you can stop reading now. That's the heart of Ruppert's message, delivered by a calm guy who could be Wilford Brimley's kid brother, lives alone with his dog and is behind on his rent.

    I was fascinated by some of the directions peak oil takes him into. For him, he says, it was the key to understanding many seemingly unconnected geopolitical events. The facts he outlines are known to world leaders, who don't talk a lot about them in alarmist terms, but they explain why Bush/Cheney were happy to have an excuse to invade Iraq. And why our embassy compound in Baghdad is the largest we've ever built, larger than Vatican City. And why we're so much more worried by Iran than North Korea. They may also explain Obama's perplexing decision to increase troops in Afghanistan. An undeclared world war for oil is already under way.

    I don't know when I've seen a thriller more frightening. I couldn't tear my eyes from the screen. "Collapse" is even entertaining, in a macabre sense. I think you owe it to yourself to see it.



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    what the **** is it about?
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    Originally Posted by RobertGreenLOL View Post
    what the **** is it about?
    It's literally the most important documentary about the short past, the present, and exactly how we got here and what's coming.

    Not just what's COMING but what we're already IN. And how its' going to end up.

    And it's dead phucking correct.

    It really DOES need to be stickied. I don't care about the reps or any bs. I just feel that people NEED to see this. And will probably thank me afterwards.

    This came out in the theaters a year ago....but it was held to only a few theaters.

    I've been trying to find it ever since. It was just released today. I called EVERY Blockbuster in my area...none of them have it. I was told they have ONE that's an E-rental. Meaning someone in the entire U.S. currently has it...and when they mail it back in Blockbuster would mail it to me to watch for $4.

    It's purchasable online as well. But someone was nice enough to Youtube it.

    I don't feel bad about giving it to you guys because this guy REALLY doesn't care about money anymore...
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    cool man i'm interested in this type of stuff. will watch later when i have time.
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    watched the trailer. made me paranoid. dont know if want.
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    Originally Posted by Delta1 View Post
    watched the trailer. made me paranoid. dont know if want.
    If you were on the Titanic would you rather be at the bar saying "THIS IS THE TITANIC! IT'S UNSINKABLE!"

    Or would you rather be chillin next to the lifeboats?
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    Originally Posted by Sandman33 View Post
    It's literally the most important documentary about the short past, the present, and exactly how we got here and what's coming.

    Not just what's COMING but what we're already IN. And how its' going to end up.

    And it's dead phucking correct.

    This came out in the theaters a year ago....but it was held to only a few theaters.

    I don't feel bad about giving it to you guys because this guy REALLY doesn't care about money anymore...

    That didn't tell me ANYTHING. Holy **** you typed out a few paragraphs and I still know nothing about it. Course I'm on my phone and can't see any of the videos so I may have missed some context
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    Originally Posted by Sandman33 View Post
    If you were on the Titanic would you rather be at the bar saying "THIS IS THE TITANIC! IT'S UNSINKABLE!"

    Or would you rather be chillin next to the lifeboats?
    im just sayin man, i know this stuff affects me (it affects all of us). but what can i do to stop it? NOTHING. i might as well live in ignorance and be happy for the next decade(s) than to know my whole world is gonna come crumbling down and i can do nothing to prevent it from happening.
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    Originally Posted by Sandman33 View Post
    It's literally the most important documentary about the short past, the present, and exactly how we got here and what's coming.

    Not just what's COMING but what we're already IN. And how its' going to end up.

    And it's dead phucking correct.

    It really DOES need to be stickied. I don't care about the reps or any bs. I just feel that people NEED to see this. And will probably thank me afterwards.

    This came out in the theaters a year ago....but it was held to only a few theaters.

    I've been trying to find it ever since. It was just released today. I called EVERY Blockbuster in my area...none of them have it. I was told they have ONE that's an E-rental. Meaning someone in the entire U.S. currently has it...and when they mail it back in Blockbuster would mail it to me to watch for $4.

    It's purchasable online as well. But someone was nice enough to Youtube it.

    I don't feel bad about giving it to you guys because this guy REALLY doesn't care about money anymore...
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    watched 5 mins of it and it already sounds like a movie, secret spy finance, shootings etc etc
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    His speech patters are similar to Obama's.

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    Originally Posted by An hero View Post
    You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything
    It shows you how WE as mankind got to this debt/resource crisis. It really all hinges on oil. If you don't uderstand just HOW many things are made from oil you will.

    It then shows you exactly what we're dealing with with no spin or agenda whatsoever, just plain facts.

    Then it shows you what you're going to face in the very near future.


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    watched 5 mins of it and it already sounds like a movie, secret spy finance, shootings etc etc
    It's a documentary.

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    America's evil, etc etc.
    No one is evil in this video. Just mans greed. Thats about it.

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    So...reptilians?
    Not even close.
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    im just sayin man, i know this stuff affects me (it affects all of us). but what can i do to stop it? NOTHING. i might as well live in ignorance and be happy for the next decade(s) than to know my whole world is gonna come crumbling down and i can do nothing to prevent it from happening.

    It tells you what to expect. So you can better prepare or react to it.

    It also tells you how to help.
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    will watch thanks
    You're very welcome.

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    Yeah I've seen that movie. One of the worst documentaries ever. Nothing like your daily dosage of fear mongering. Dude is obssesed with cigerattes too

    MUCH better documentary. Robert Steele, a former top CIA agent.

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    Originally Posted by Sandman33 View Post
    It's literally the most important documentary about the short past, the present, and exactly how we got here and what's coming.

    Not just what's COMING but what we're already IN. And how its' going to end up.

    And it's dead phucking correct.

    It really DOES need to be stickied. I don't care about the reps or any bs. I just feel that people NEED to see this. And will probably thank me afterwards.

    This came out in the theaters a year ago....but it was held to only a few theaters.

    I've been trying to find it ever since. It was just released today. I called EVERY Blockbuster in my area...none of them have it. I was told they have ONE that's an E-rental. Meaning someone in the entire U.S. currently has it...and when they mail it back in Blockbuster would mail it to me to watch for $4.

    It's purchasable online as well. But someone was nice enough to Youtube it.

    I don't feel bad about giving it to you guys because this guy REALLY doesn't care about money anymore...
    Bro, you're saying anything right now.
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    Originally Posted by Sandman33 View Post
    It's literally the most important documentary about the short past, the present, and exactly how we got here and what's coming.

    Not just what's COMING but what we're already IN. And how its' going to end up.

    And it's dead phucking correct.

    It really DOES need to be stickied. I don't care about the reps or any bs. I just feel that people NEED to see this. And will probably thank me afterwards.

    This came out in the theaters a year ago....but it was held to only a few theaters.

    I've been trying to find it ever since. It was just released today. I called EVERY Blockbuster in my area...none of them have it. I was told they have ONE that's an E-rental. Meaning someone in the entire U.S. currently has it...and when they mail it back in Blockbuster would mail it to me to watch for $4.

    It's purchasable online as well. But someone was nice enough to Youtube it.

    I don't feel bad about giving it to you guys because this guy REALLY doesn't care about money anymore...
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    Originally Posted by xXDarkJudgeXx View Post
    Bro, you're saying anything right now.
    Did you watch the movie? Don't talk till you've seen it.
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    Originally Posted by Fist-Of-Freedom View Post
    What part of the film did you disagree with?
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    At 3:01, he lies stating that he was given Q clearance without his knowledge.

    A)You cannot recieve a security clearance without participating in the investigation.
    B)Q Clearance isn't used by the military, it's civilian
    C)Q Clearance is a DOE security clearance.

    Stopped watching at that point.
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    Originally Posted by JDBattleMC View Post
    At 3:01, he lies stating that he was given Q clearance without his knowledge.

    A)You cannot recieve a security clearance without participating in the investigation.
    B)Q Clearance isn't used by the military, it's civilian
    C)Q Clearance is a DOE security clearance.

    Stopped watching at that point.
    This was 50 years ago.....things may have been different then.

    And it has no relevence to the point of the film.

    Watch TEN minutes instead of 3....
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    Originally Posted by Sandman33 View Post
    This was 50 years ago.....things may have been different then.

    And it has no relevence to the point of the film.

    Watch TEN minutes instead of 3....
    They dont change clearance names, and why would I watch more of the film when the entire premise is that we are supposed to believe what this guy said? He already discredited himself.
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