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    no puppies!!

    omg that day sounds like it pumped some serious adrenalin in your blood. poor pup, poor you and poor bb!

    and i lol'd when i got to the 5 year old in the middle of all of this wondering where his snack is.

    glad the lifting went well! how did you sit all the way down on the ground? that's some serious flex, woman!
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    Read that story yesterday and it totally made me . . . exiting day you had . . . at the doggie dragging his "biz" to the neighbors. Falling on the ice * ouch * hope you are ok . . . poor baby and the 5 year old lol

    Very much enjoy reading how you analyze your lifting . . . I'm trying to get there, feel the form -figure out what went right or wrong - and not get all my feedback from mirrors/vids.
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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    how could you say no to a puppy ?
    Heck no, no more creatures for now. None that poop, anyway

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    no puppies!!

    omg that day sounds like it pumped some serious adrenalin in your blood. poor pup, poor you and poor bb!

    and i lol'd when i got to the 5 year old in the middle of all of this wondering where his snack is.

    glad the lifting went well! how did you sit all the way down on the ground? that's some serious flex, woman!
    Yeah and so to top all of this I fall again last night - did not de-ice my front steps but I never use that door. Ran down them yesterday, slipped flew and landed in my front lawn. Bleeding hand and my knee got it AGAIN.
    I'm getting better at this though, last fall was messy, this time I kind of had one leg and an arm like a ninja. Well, at least that is how i was imagining it looked anyway, by the way the kids were laughing, I'm pretty sure I didn't look as slick as I think.

    Lol on the squat-sit, I was attempting to squat with all 3 kids home they were hyper. By the last set things were falling apart and I was not thinking AT ALL. Got to my usual depth and then for some reason was like 'well, I'll just keep on going here and see where we end up.' Looks like it hurt but it was ok, all my weight was on my butt (obviously haha) and not on the knee.

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    Read that story yesterday and it totally made me . . . exiting day you had . . . at the doggie dragging his "biz" to the neighbors. Falling on the ice * ouch * hope you are ok . . . poor baby and the 5 year old lol

    Very much enjoy reading how you analyze your lifting . . . I'm trying to get there, feel the form -figure out what went right or wrong - and not get all my feedback from mirrors/vids.

    yeah, I am feeling a little beat up but certain it is from all the falls lately as opposed to smolov.

    Always tons of thoughts after each session, I always try to trim what I log in analyses but then regret when I do, because the same things will rear their ugly heads over and over again. I'm glad to have a place to share them and that you enjoy reading them I was trying to explain my depth issues with my husband and he is like, 'well why not just watch the mirror when you squat?'
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    Smolov Week 1: Day 4
    Squat 10 sets of 3 (158)

    Easy! I have a feeling the 10x3's will be the easiest days.

    I was checking out some logs over at Kara Bohigian's forum and saw a girl who just before she squats, throws her hips out behind her like a bucket of dirty mop water. Like 2 separate movements, hips swing back, pause a second then squat.

    So then I start thinking maybe my lower back is not arched enough, and maybe I'll try out what she is doing. Thought it was ok till I video'd, and realized that the extra movement was making it so I was just barely grazing depth.

    By keeping the broad, uplifted chest and tight upper back, that sets the arch in the lower back, there is no need for me to 'add' anything else there. As soon as I took the focus off the lower back refocused on chest/ shoulder blades, everything was back to normal, back arch comes naturally and depth was not an issue.

    Actually the chest/ trap set up seems to make or break my squat. Natural tendency with heavy load is to lean forward, attempt to make depth by ducking, then trying to raise the weight with the hips. By thinking 'traps' all the way from the unrack and making them the most important cue in the lift (for now), I can avoid that sinking/ hunching thing, depth comes naturally and feels easier (since when you duck or shift forward, the bar path does become longer and puts you at an awkard position to raise the weight).

    Oddly my adductors and usual squat muscles are NOT sore or feeling overworked. Yet
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    Bench

    Bench: 45/6 65/6 85/6 85/6 95/3 115/3 120/3 125/3 125/5 125/5 165/unrackx2

    My first 7 sets were utter crap. I kept rolling shoulders forward, also no arch.

    Sat on the bench with an empty broomstick across my back and arched like I was going to squat, from there lowered to the bench, then let the broom just roll under my arch. That worked to bring the focus to the back instead of all in front with the shoulders, and gave me back the arch. Just had to feel it a different way I guess.

    First set at 125 it felt like 3 was all I could do. Then remembered to take in air and tighten up overall. 125/5 was a breeze, could have kept going, but I DON'T want to fail another bench for a long time. Last set of 5 my wrist started bending backward and caused my bar path to waiver. Then I realized how much pain my forearm was still in from the falls (it is still purple and a little swollen), decided no pull ups today and ended it with a few unracks.

    Pain inventory - knee surgery site sort of searing... still very bruised from the fall.. the act of squatting doesn't make it hurt more, but getting sharp pangs if I pivot - same as when it was healing from surgery... sure hope it was ready for this smolov deal.

    hip very tight and hurt to lie on bench, but once warmed up, pain subsided.
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    Smolov Week 2 - Day 5
    (all weight was 150, was supposed to be 4 sets of 9)
    Squat
    1 set of 9
    4 reps, 6 reps about 5 minutes later (= 10, I miscounted when I came back)
    8 reps, 2 reps about 20 minutes later
    1 set of 9 (whoop!)

    Yet another session done with all 3 kids home. At least I managed not to forget body mechanics mid-lift and sit on the ground today. Oh well, it is what it is. Kindergartener and preschooler turned the radio up to the highest it would go and it nearly shook the house on the 2nd set, so had to stop to adjust that (again, good thing not a heavy squat day!) and then everyone wanted a snack. 3rd set they were all upstairs with snack so I went down for another set, however a little ways into the set, I was followed by an armed toddler who ran into the gym and chucked batman over the fence which wacked me in the butt mid-squat.

    At that point I cut the session, but things calmed down a little again later so I was able to finish up.

    My knee feels pretty tender. Icing it now.
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    Originally Posted by ilovethe80s View Post

    At that point I cut the session, but things calmed down a little again later so I was able to finish up.

    My knee feels pretty tender. Icing it now.
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    Your video did make me laugh. I have never seen an adult do that - although kids/babies squat like that all the time.

    Did you increase it 20lbs for week 2? Wow, keep it up!

    I have the tendency to lean for squats (and to not make depth, but that's a different story). I've never focused on traps, usually elbows. I'll have to try that and see how it helps.
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    LOL @ mischievous toddler. my kids are going back tomorrow (toddler gets mom's day out on MWF mornings, so Wednesday for him) and i am so excited! it's been fun wrestling with them in bed and teasing and joking, but my house is a near constant disaster, and i feel like my brain is fried. also, workouts are hard to come by. i'm so impressed with your smolov during holiday vacation!

    also the sitting all the way down on that squat looked scary! and i am really sorry about all of the falls recently. the ice is terrible over here, too, but we have gravel driveways and i have found that i love the gravel drives in winter. hard to slip on them. i was confused as to why everyone here in the mountains had gravel drives, but now it makes sense.

    i feel like a stalker going over to kara's forum, but i just love seeing what they are all doing! such amazing strong women and it's nice to see the focus on power instead of weight in a women's only forum.
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    Originally Posted by Euqinom View Post
    Have you tried superdosing Omega3's?
    I just started taking stuff again (I always forget with supplements/ vitamins). I was doing 1 fish oil/ day, maybe take 1/ morning and 1/ night? Or do you think try more? Just started glucosamine too.

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    Your video did make me laugh. I have never seen an adult do that - although kids/babies squat like that all the time.

    Did you increase it 20lbs for week 2? Wow, keep it up!

    I have the tendency to lean for squats (and to not make depth, but that's a different story). I've never focused on traps, usually elbows. I'll have to try that and see how it helps.
    Yup, was feeling ambitious

    The traps cue really solves my forward lean. I just have to learn to trust it ALL the time. When the squat feels hard, I lose focus on the traps and move all my awareness to my hips and legs. As a result, end up folding forward and the lift gets so much harder. Somehow, just thinking 'traps traps traps' the whole time, keeps everything in line, depth just comes easier and with what feels like a lot less effort. I usually hear of people using the traps cue at the bottom of the squat to come up, but I like to be conscious of it from the unrack. Hope it works for you, it has made such a difference for me. The more fatigued or the heavier it is, the more I tend to lose the trust in the traps and resort to legs/ hips - trying to get out of that habit.

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    LOL @ mischievous toddler. my kids are going back tomorrow (toddler gets mom's day out on MWF mornings, so Wednesday for him) and i am so excited! it's been fun wrestling with them in bed and teasing and joking, but my house is a near constant disaster, and i feel like my brain is fried. also, workouts are hard to come by. i'm so impressed with your smolov during holiday vacation!

    also the sitting all the way down on that squat looked scary! and i am really sorry about all of the falls recently. the ice is terrible over here, too, but we have gravel driveways and i have found that i love the gravel drives in winter. hard to slip on them. i was confused as to why everyone here in the mountains had gravel drives, but now it makes sense.

    i feel like a stalker going over to kara's forum, but i just love seeing what they are all doing! such amazing strong women and it's nice to see the focus on power instead of weight in a women's only forum.
    Nice, sounds like you guys had a long break for the holiday. Over here they only got like a week off of school, they went back last week. It is constant disaster over here, too. By the end of the night I don't even know what I am doing anymore. Several times I have walked over to the baby with the dog leash and it will take me a couple of seconds of looking for a collar before I realize I trying to take the wrong creature out to pee. lol!

    Warmed up quite a bit over here, all the snow was melting so I was pretty sure all the ice was gone.. till I slipped on black ice crossing the street to get my son off the bus. I HATE winter. lol.
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    I just started taking stuff again (I always forget with supplements/ vitamins). I was doing 1 fish oil/ day, maybe take 1/ morning and 1/ night? Or do you think try more? Just started glucosamine too.
    I've gone up way higher on really intense cycles, but you'd have to experiment with that.
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    I've gone up way higher on really intense cycles, but you'd have to experiment with that.
    I upped it to 2/morning, 2 evening for now, will see how that goes
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    Body notes:
    Left hip, left knee and left adductor are freaking pissed.

    Also of note, when it feels like I am standing straight, I actually have a staggered stance, with left foot several inches forward. At one point ended up diagonal in the cage when squatting. When I attempt to even out, it feels like my left leg is being pushed far behind me.

    Since getting out to a masseuse seems to be a birthday/ mother's day type deal, I went through a bunch of articles and youtube vids to get to know my adductors really well.

    In rolling out the lower Gracilis trigger point with a tennis ball, the upper portion of the adductor near groin lit up with pain. Pectineus feels dangerously tight compared to opposite leg and it does NOT feel good to roll it directly, that shiz is ready to snap. Knee insertion also painful.

    I only managed to actually release that one trigger point, it was amazing, mild spasms, there are plenty more in there, I'm pretty sure will take multiple sessions to wring out all the demons. I'll get better at it Baby assisted with the trigger point, I had a tennis ball in it lying on it with him lording over me, bouncing. It really did the trick. He did better than some massages that I have actually paid for, haha.

    Doing all of the above like its my job, tennis ball, golf ball, foam roller and my cookie/ pizza roller over the problem adductor throughout the day. When you do a program like smolov, I guess 'rest' day does not imply rest, chill out and do nothing anymore. If things are still this inflamed tomorrow, I might need to put an extra day between my next session, I can't see evenly distributing weight on both legs in this state.

    Oh please please please just let me get through smolov alive.
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    When I used Omega3's as an anti-inflammatory, I went way up to 30-45 grams a day. Don't mean to push, but I'd book another session with that massagetherapist, up oil, and reschedule maybe.
    I upped the oil. Going to see if I can get in with the massage therapist this weekend. Thanks
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    Knee is filling with fluid. I've considered the cost/benefit and sadly, am abandoning smolov.

    Smolov results seemed split between people with these 50 pounds PR's, and people who were injured in the process. I already know that I don't respond well to volume, prone to overuse injuries, have previous injuries which are majorly flaring up (and exactly the types of injuries people report sustaining on smolov) so this isn't looking promising.

    It's been over a year and I still can't lunge or do a few other movements without pain or full ROM in that knee, so it might just never be 'perfect' again and able to withstand this sort of volume. Hip was something that definitely hit its peak and was getting slowly better, but rapidly deteriorating through smolov.

    I'm around 10 pounds barbell weight and 5-7 pounds body weight away from an elite total (700 @ 132) and that was my 'ultimate' powerlifting goal. I don't think those 10 pounds is worth the risk of a smolov injury.

    Icing, resting and apologizing profusely to my abused knee and hip.

    One thing I have to say about smolov, is the frequency was working wonders on my squat technique and trust issues. I want to go back to what I was doing for my dead since it was working so well. The 90%+ good mornings, speed pulls, box squats, I don't want to mess with that. But work in squats more often. Not so much weight that my form breaks and I am struggling, but good, frequent, moderately difficult, confidence boosting squats.

    Off squatting till the knee heals and my stance is back to normal and no longer staggered.
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    Jennifer Thompson is second in the running for Powerlifting Female of the Year at powerliftingwatch.com! Kim Walford is another favorite and looks like she's in 3rd, wish I could vote twice. Please go vote for JT if you love her as much as I do, I think she really deserves it. She has an out of this world bench, gives hope to all us long-armed folk, but I think her insane bench overshadows the fact that ALL her lifts are stellar. She is outshined by her own awesomeness

    Light Benching/ drills, Pressing + Rowing

    Bench unracks + drills, and worked up to a set of 5 in each. Nothing noteworthy today, wish I stayed tighter on the bench, but what else is new.

    After a week of smolov, you completely forget that walking into the gym does not mean that you are going to be crying, rolling on the ground, gasping for air and approaching each set with a sense of dread. I am bummed I could not finish. I already miss just sitting there holding my program outline and reading week 3 over and over like 'oh no, oh HELL no' lol
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    hah! i do that every week these days with madcow. i do it bc im terrified of lifting that heavy.

    just voted for jennifer. i also really like taylor stallings. the only other name i knew was laura phelps. so thanks for sending me, now i have youtube videos to look up

    sad to hear that smolov bummed your knee out. your plan for future training sounds spot on. you are most definitely gonna get that 700 total. super squat or not, it will happen. just have to pull MOAR!

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    hah! i do that every week these days with madcow. i do it bc im terrified of lifting that heavy.

    just voted for jennifer. i also really like taylor stallings. the only other name i knew was laura phelps. so thanks for sending me, now i have youtube videos to look up

    sad to hear that smolov bummed your knee out. your plan for future training sounds spot on. you are most definitely gonna get that 700 total. super squat or not, it will happen. just have to pull MOAR!

    heal well and fast, 80's.

    awww, thanks geek If I can just consistently get a squat just north of 200 (or even just 200!), I'll take it. It seems like I should be able to squat more - my dead is over 150 more than my squat! I'm hoping just some frequency (NOT smolov-type frequency) and getting comfortable with the movement again will help.

    The heavy days don't bother me as much as the volume days. 9 squats in a row is like, torture, I'd rather do like 1-3 and get it over with. Except when you have to do the triples set 10x over. Damn you smolov! lol.

    Have a bursa flare up now which I have not had, since... last time I went high volume It definitely hit its peak yesterday and based on previous bursas should go on its own, so not having it aspirated. Although the bursa could have been from the fall(s).

    The young ones are winning over at powerliftingwatch.com. Maryana Naumova is in first by quite a bit. she's VERY young with a big bench around 200 (I have not heard anything on her other lifts though?? she might be bench only?) and Anna McCloskey 2nd who is also young. I think they just added Maryana? She was not on there before. She has over 700 votes and the next in the running has just 200-something so looks like she might win. Her arch is INSANE! Seriously, she makes the bench into a board press. I'm inspired. Also love how she has a spotter for her ponytail, he places it nicely on the bench as she gets into position.
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    sorry to hear about the knee 80

    but its always better to rest than risk an injury


    aside from that hows everything?

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    Bummer about your knee Lots of ice I'm assuming? Surely time to update your sig as well??!
    I feel weak in comparison to you and Tina I squatted 3 days in a row and I'm screwed! Or was it 2 days? Whatever, it was nothing to write home about. Hoping my shoes arrive tomorrow, then I'm going to squat either Friday and Saturday or Friday and Sunday... or maybe all 3?! After seeing both your progress with volume I'm knowing that I need to do this to gain - numbers and confidence.
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    Originally Posted by RyouBakua View Post
    sorry to hear about the knee 80

    but its always better to rest than risk an injury


    aside from that hows everything?

    havent seen you around much
    Thanks, yeah the knee is problematic, and I knew that going into smolov, was just hoping maybe it wouldn't notice the volume, but it did and was displeased I *think* it is just maybe a sprain or something in there and bursa, but am 100% sure that had I continued even 1 more day, I'd be right back to keeping the ortho in busines.

    Healing up now, assessing, thinking and strategizing (as I always do when sidelined, haha). will try and stop by your jounrnal later to say hi.

    Originally Posted by wakechica View Post
    Bummer about your knee Lots of ice I'm assuming? Surely time to update your sig as well??!
    I feel weak in comparison to you and Tina I squatted 3 days in a row and I'm screwed! Or was it 2 days? Whatever, it was nothing to write home about. Hoping my shoes arrive tomorrow, then I'm going to squat either Friday and Saturday or Friday and Sunday... or maybe all 3?! After seeing both your progress with volume I'm knowing that I need to do this to gain - numbers and confidence.
    3 day in a row squatting?!?! Was that part of your program? I've got to get over to your journal. Can't wait to see what you think of the shoes, too. If your signature is up to date, our squat 1rms are not too far off each other so don't feel weak

    I'm thinking of just running a simple squat progression (5's NOT singles) alongside what I am doing. Maybe a 5x5 format. I don't want to change everything together because my set up works so well for the dead. Unfortunately, that seems to be all its good for though, so making a few more revisions. I'm disappointed that smolov didn't work out, I really liked where it was headed, but hopefully frequency with reasonable volume will do the same thing, just in a little more time.

    The confidence in a squat is the most important thing, IMO. I was irate to stall out at 185 every week after not squatting for a year post-surgery. so just kept pushing, breaking form and failing and that is what is ingrained now and squat confidence needs to be rebuilt. I approach the squat with the expectation of failing, and the intention of trying to connive my way out of the hole by abandoning technique and raising hips first. You know the '1000 repetitions' saying, smolov was a good start with the first 170 or so .

    One rule JT has (this poor girl, I stalk her) is that if your sets aren’t improving each workout you have to drop 10 to 15 pounds on that exercise and work on the speed of the lift. But when frustrated, beating and kicking a dead horse seems logical, haha
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    Dynamic Bench (yesterday)
    Dynamic bench 8 x 3 (95)
    Dip 2 x 6
    Lat Pulldown 9 x 3 (95)
    Straight bar pulldown 4 x 10 (40)

    Confirmed the theory that my bench technique is not at a level where speed helps me out a ton. Messy bar path when i think I am in a hurry, and I lose it on subsequent reps and transfer all weight to bb'ing bench muscles. By set 8 I started to hit my stride. Shouldn't take that long though. Maybe near future can start dynamic work again.

    I've never thought of a bench during a lat pull down, but JT says that the pulldown feels like the first thing that she pushes off her chest. I'm pretty sure that it I could keep that tension in the lats during benches I might actually get somewhere.

    I've been doing pull UPS for ages. When I stop, it is because my mesh is pulling from the hernia site, not because I can't pull anymore. With a pull down, I can angle back a bit and put a lot more effort into it than I can with pull ups. So I do get more out of it.

    I kind of want my lats to feel a little uncomfortable like my adductors do. Well, maybe not that bad, but I want that tight, full, strong feeling in them all the time for the bench. I don't think I've been working them hard enough. This is lat season

    I might try a little box squatting today to ease the knee back into the swing of things. The swelling went but it is still tender. On a misery scale of 1-10, my hip is down from a 9 back to its norm which is around a 5. Which seems to be as good as it gets these days.

    iceman says he uses briefs when having hip/ groin issues. It does say that they can help heal, so I am pretty sure I'm picking some up. Some don't add much to your squat but just protect and hopefully keep my hips inline when that left leg wants to be forward. Of course still stretching and working on releasing the problem areas along with the briefs, not using them just to mask the problem. But anything to make the hips safer and let me keep lifting sounds appealing, taking weeks off left and right is getting old.

    But I'm also considering getting briefs or a squat suit (and leave straps down) that DO add something. And working them in in the same manner that I'd work in lightened work, partials, just to overload my squat and get some confidence under a heavy bar.
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    Been wondering this for a while: do you do pull ups?
    I had been doing them, but my surgery site is actually the limiting factor for them, so I am switching them out. The pulling on the mesh from overhead causes spasms and burning up to the sternum. I can do rack chins since I can angle my body forward a bit, also pull downs for the same reason. But with pull ups, I quit before quitting time due to ab tearing pain
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    After researching, I ordered an inzer champion squat suit to wear with the straps down for hip support. I don't think it adds a ton or poundage. In researching what to get, looks like this hip thing is really common.

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    With all of the rolling and stretching, I am periodically checking hip progress by standing in front of a wall, attempting to square off my hips then look down to check my foot stance. If I do this immediately following a hip release session, my stance is straight. Stance was always 6+ inches staggered at smolov end, now, when not freshly stretched, it is maybe half that. I jolted my knee just walking around today, hot spasms and shooting pain, I thought I killed it but felt fine 10 minutes later. My knee is like a shock collar if I step one millimeter out of a straight plane of movement.
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    Calves 2 x 20
    TGU attempts

    Was trying to decide if either jumping back in on a ME or DE squat day would be is rougher on the hips (heavy gm's or dyn box squatting). Decided they were both going to suck so skipped all and just did some moderate squats. Was only supposed to be 3 sets but my hips really loosened up on my 3rd set and wanted to go for another.
    Hip very tight but other than that, squats felt easy. Was tempted to throw on more weight but restrained, the confidence boost from easy squats is nice.

    TGUs were rather unfortunate. looked like a drunk zombie trying to hail a cab.
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    Calves 2 x 20
    TGU attempts

    Was trying to decide if either jumping back in on a ME or DE squat day would be is rougher on the hips (heavy gm's or dyn box squatting). Decided they were both going to suck so skipped all and just did some moderate squats. Was only supposed to be 3 sets but my hips really loosened up on my 3rd set and wanted to go for another.
    Hip very tight but other than that, squats felt easy. Was tempted to throw on more weight but restrained, the confidence boost from easy squats is nice.

    TGUs were rather unfortunate. looked like a drunk zombie trying to hail a cab.
    I've resembled that remark a time or two!



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