I'm a beginner bodybuilder FYI
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06-04-2010, 03:55 PM #1
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06-05-2010, 02:49 PM #3
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06-05-2010, 02:57 PM #5
Im not stuck at 145. I started at 110lbs that 35lbs of muscle mass, Im not stuck at all, in fact Ive been getting stronger every week for many months now, so speak for yourself.
In fact looking at your picture Id say Ive got quite a bit more muscle development than you...regardless of my weight.
Not looking to pick a fight just making observations.
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06-05-2010, 03:02 PM #6
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06-05-2010, 03:46 PM #7
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06-05-2010, 04:11 PM #8
Full body all the way. Anyone who says split is wrong.
"Complexity for complexity's sake is dumb. Slow progress when fast is available is very poor decision making. Training indirectly with elaborate assistance exercises to raise your back squat is foolish if you can walk in the gym and add weight to your back squat."
-Madcow
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06-05-2010, 04:30 PM #9
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06-05-2010, 04:41 PM #10
Sorry to say it, but full body is still better then a split for a beginning body builder. You can add more muscle and strength to a beginner with a full body routine then a split.
"The fastest way to gain muscular bodyweight -- the supposed goal of a bodybuilder -- is with a linear progression on the basic barbell exercises. And 5s are the way this progression works best."
-Rippetoe"Complexity for complexity's sake is dumb. Slow progress when fast is available is very poor decision making. Training indirectly with elaborate assistance exercises to raise your back squat is foolish if you can walk in the gym and add weight to your back squat."
-Madcow
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06-05-2010, 06:45 PM #11
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06-05-2010, 06:51 PM #12
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06-05-2010, 07:35 PM #13
Fullbody fo sure.
Sure these young skinny guys are gaining with splits, theres no doubt about that.
but compare two 140 lbs teenagers, 1 on a 3 day a week split, the other a 3x a week fullbody.
Sure, they'll both gain, but i guarentee the one a fullbody will get stronger twice as fast and pack on the pounds twice as fast.(provided you eat enough)
On a fullbody you will add weight to that bar 3x a week (most weeks) With a split once a week to each lift (if your lucky).
Thousands of other reasons and these Fullbody vs split arguments are never ending.
Check this article out, gave me a little insight when i first started.
http://www.drugfreebodybuilding.com/...uscle-mass.htm
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06-05-2010, 07:40 PM #14
A fullbody means you're gonna have to be in the gym for a while, and halfway through, you're either gonna be exhausted and not have the energy to go hard on the rest of the exercises, you're going to be holding back just so you can make it through.
I say split, so you can target every workout and hit it hard, really hard. Not be exhausted after working out chest, shoulders and biceps, and expect to have the strength and time, do do backs, triceps, legs, and whatever other exercises you wanna do.
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06-05-2010, 07:41 PM #15
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06-05-2010, 07:49 PM #21
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There are many, MANY lifters who have followed a 3x weekly fullbody well beyond "noob gains" and done very well. In fact, a great deal of strength oriented lifters do a fullbody 3x a week for a good long time. You know, like all the guys doing the 5x5s.....
I'm curious: What do you base this opinion on? Are you an intermediate lifter who has worked at an intermediate, 3x per week fullbody routine and failed only to then succeed on a split?
I ask because the experiences of many, many people contradict your opinion
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06-05-2010, 08:41 PM #22
i wish i had started out on full body routines instead of doing the splits that everyone tried to say was best at the time. when i finally tried my 1st full body routine i had been lifting on and off between deployments for several years. i had OK lifts at the time don't remember them all i was about 190 at 5"9" with a 305 bench 4 month into 5x5 i was 210 with a 375 bench and 240 military press (squats and dead's went up even more but don't remember how much) and continued to gain until my next deployment. you will get better results from full body in all area's especially as a beginner. As a bonus You will be less sore. look at lift strong beginner 5x5 great place to start. a lot of good information and a excel sheet that makes it easy to get into a proper productive routine.
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06-05-2010, 09:26 PM #23
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06-06-2010, 03:16 PM #25
[QUOTE=Farley1324;500464711]At 6'0" and 145 pounds you don't have jack shit for muscular development
O rly?.....Ive got more than you. Numbers dont lie. 35lbs to 32lbs gained, thats assuming none of your gains are fat, if not youve gained even less muscle than me. I know my body fat level hasnt changed a bit.
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06-06-2010, 03:24 PM #26
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Definitely split. Muscle doesn't need to be built in 6 weeks, it takes years.
You call upon more muscle fibers when you isolate the muscle groups, one.
Two, it's better for overall recovery thru means of resource efficiency.
Being anabolic from a full body workout makes no sense. You've put your body in such a catabolic/lactic state that it will take 2 to 3 times the amount of time to recover which is not very efficient. Your body can only take so much training over a given at a given intensity."For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come." 1 Timothy 4:8
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06-06-2010, 03:30 PM #27
Lol sorry leidi, you're wrong
How does isolating a muscle group recruit more fibers then full compound exercises? LOL
Your opinion directly contradicts the experiences of MANY noobies who squat 3x/week. Those same noobs who can put up to 100lbs on their squat within the first month of Starting Strength. Yes, your body can only take so much training, but with proper diet and rest, the human body CAN adapt to full-body workouts very efficiently.
You are very, very wrong."Complexity for complexity's sake is dumb. Slow progress when fast is available is very poor decision making. Training indirectly with elaborate assistance exercises to raise your back squat is foolish if you can walk in the gym and add weight to your back squat."
-Madcow
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06-06-2010, 03:40 PM #28
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06-06-2010, 03:41 PM #29
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That's because the body reacts well to any initial exercise program. Look at the P90X craze.
I'm interested in your scientific background on this theory?"For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come." 1 Timothy 4:8
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06-06-2010, 03:47 PM #30
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Not only that, but the more you condition yourself to training the more frequently you can train effectively. Again there are Olympic weight lifters who train up to 6-8 hours a day 6 days a week and train the same muscles every day, sometimes more than once per day. The body can absolutely be trained to benefit from extremely frequent workouts.
The only real argument one can make is that it took these athletes years to be able to do 12 sessions per week where the same muscle group with 90+% 1RM and benefit from it. Yes this is true, but the quickest way to reach said state is not by training frequently, but by forcing the body to adapt to training very frequently. Those athletes did not reach that level of conditioning by spending their first 3 years only training each muscle group once a week. It is much that same if you look at routines such as Arnold used. Overkill for the novice, but one cannot blame it on the drugs, because those were the days when what professional bodybuilders considered to be insane doses of drugs are lower than what a lot of the 180 lbs weaklings I have met use who fear "overtraining". There are natural extreme individuals who are big, lean and extremely strong who train for hours every day and train the same muscle groups 5 or 6 times a week. 3x a week on reasonable volume is not overkill for the novice by any means.
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