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    Anacyclus Pyrethrum

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    Since androgenic effect is attributable to testosterone levels in the blood, it is likely that the plant extracts may have a role in testosterone secretion allowing better availability of hormone to gonads [3].
    Nice find.

    I'm having a hard time understanding why testosterone concentrations were not evaluated.



    while a moderate but insignificant increase in prostate weight was also observed.
    The observation of enlarged prostates was interesting, and I'm wondering how the prostate would be affected following repeated use?



    An increase in PEI was observed in treated groups, indicating the involvement of nitrous oxide (NO) based intervention [19].
    I wonder what they were specifically referring to when they mentioned nitric oxide-based intervention?
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    The extract is relatively easy to source but I'll probably refrain from experimenting with it as it's a pretty strong irritant.
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    Originally Posted by THEHUGE View Post
    The extract is relatively easy to source but I'll probably refrain from experimenting with it as it's a pretty strong irritant.
    Interesting. What orally administered symptoms have been observed?
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    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    Interesting. What orally administered symptoms have been observed?
    Funny stuff like bloody stools to name one. Mice took a pretty large dose but the researchers didn't mention anything about possible ulcerations.
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    Funny stuff like bloody stools to name one. Mice took a pretty large dose but the researchers didn't mention anything about possible ulcerations.
    Hmmmm.... enlarged prostates and bloody stools. Fun stuff.
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    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    Hmmmm.... enlarged prostates and bloody stools. Fun stuff.
    Well the enlarged prostate does actually suggests it's powerful paired with the other androgenic effects.
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    Bloody Stool?

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    A friend from India takes this herb, he says it really fires up the sex drive, never said anything about sides though. Never really even looked into, hes kind of a wacky guy so I just wrote it off as crazy talk.
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    Originally Posted by bkprice14 View Post
    A friend from India takes this herb, he says it really fires up the sex drive, never said anything about sides though. Never really even looked into, hes kind of a wacky guy so I just wrote it off as crazy talk.
    It's been used for centuries in Ayurvedic medicine to boost sex drive and fertility but the sides are there, at least theorethically. Not yet sure if I would mess with it.
    To be fair, most spices are very irritant when taken in high doses.
    Granted, the pronunced anabolic effect is intriguing to say the least...
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    No ulcerations reported, maybe I've been jumping to conclusions too early.
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    Synergistic effects of Anacyclus pyrethrum & Eurycoma longfolia?

    Originally Posted by THEHUGE View Post
    No ulcerations reported, maybe I've been jumping to conclusions too early.
    Considering both Ayurvedic compounds have been utilized for centuries to ameliorate the symptoms of sexual dysfunction, I am truly curious as to the degree of synergy that may be elicited when combining Anacyclus pyrethrum & Eurycoma longfolia.
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    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    Considering both Ayurvedic compounds have been utilized for centuries to ameliorate the symptoms of sexual dysfunction, I am truly curious as to the degree of synergy that may be elicited when combining Anacyclus pyrethrum & Eurycoma longfolia.
    Heck, no guts no glory....I'll be the guinea pig. Anacyclus only tho.
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    This stuff is in many pro-sexual products. If it caused some serious adverse effects we'd know, I guess.
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    This stuff is in many pro-sexual products. If it caused some serious adverse effects we'd know, I guess.
    Good point....refreshing consideration.
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    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    Not a fan of EL?
    I love quality EL, I just want to gauge its (Anacyclus) own effects without any confounding variable.


    I did it several times with some Ayurvedic extracts and man....there're some hidden gems(i.e. Ashwagandha, smart addition in E-bol)) for sure in indian herbalism.
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    Originally Posted by THEHUGE View Post
    I love quality EL, I just want to gauge its (Anacyclus) own effects without any confounding variable.


    I did it several times with some Ayurvedic extracts and man....there're some hidden gems(i.e. Ashwagandha, smart addition in E-bol)) for sure in indian herbalism.
    What are some of the standalone herbs that you've found effective? (Not for test or libido, but just in general).
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    Originally Posted by eldawg View Post
    What are some of the standalone herbs that you've found effective? (Not for test or libido, but just in general).
    Ashwagandha, Shilajit(not exactly an herb), Asparagus Racemosus to name a few. They all incresed my energy level, sense of well being, appetite and libido. The Asparagus made me gain 3 lbs on a isocaloric diet in 4 weeks. I used this one:
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    I know, it's advertised as a female tonic but it's proven to increase spermatogenesis and to possess an anabolic effect in male animals. It's also been used for centuries as a male rejuvenator.
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    Originally Posted by THEHUGE View Post
    Ashwagandha, Shilajit(not exactly an herb), Asparagus Racemosus to name a few. They all incresed my energy level, sense of well being, appetite and libido. The Asparagus made me gain 3 lbs on a isocaloric diet in 4 weeks. I used this one:
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    I know, it's advertised as a female tonic but it's proven to increase spermatogenesis and to possess an anabolic effect in male animals. It's also been used for centuries as a male rejuvenator.
    anabolic effect is pretty vague. mind elaborating?

    Also, isocaloric diet? were you in a surplus or deficit? I've never been a fan of isocaloric. I suppose it doesnt matter as long as you're getting enough protein and EFA's, but do you think that contributed to your weight gain?
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    Originally Posted by wakingmalice View Post
    anabolic effect is pretty vague. mind elaborating?

    Also, isocaloric diet? were you in a surplus or deficit? I've never been a fan of isocaloric. I suppose it doesnt matter as long as you're getting enough protein and EFA's, but do you think that contributed to your weight gain?
    My bad, when I wrote isocaloric I actually meant maintenance calories...
    This is what I mean when I say anabolic:

    A comparative study on aphrodisiac activity of some ayurvedic herbs in male albino rats.
    Thakur M, Chauhan NS, Bhargava S, Dixit VK.

    Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Dr. H. S. Gour University, Sagar, MP 470003, India.

    Abstract
    The roots of Asparagus racemosus, Chlorophytum borivilianum, and rhizomes of Curculigo orchioides are popular for their aphrodisiac and immunostimulatory properties. The herbs have been traditionally used as Vajikaran Rasayana herbs because of their putative positive influence on sexual performance in humans. Lyophilized aqueous extracts obtained from the roots of A. racemosus, C. borivilianum, and rhizomes of C. orchioides were studied for sexual behavior effects in male albino rats and compared with untreated control group animals (total N = 60). The rats were evaluated for effect of treatments on anabolic effect. Seven measures of sexual behavior were evaluated. Administration of 200 mg/kg body weight of the aqueous extracts had pronounced anabolic effect in treated animals as evidenced by weight gains in the body and reproductive organs. There was a significant variation in the sexual behavior of animals as reflected by reduction of mount latency, ejaculation latency, post ejaculatory latency, intromission latency, and an increase of mount frequency. Penile erection (indicated by Penile Erection Index) was also considerably enhanced. Reduced hesitation time (an indicator of attraction towards female in treated rats) also indicated an improvement in sexual behavior of extract treated animals. The observed effects appear to be attributable to the testosterone-like effects of the extracts. Nitric oxide based intervention may also be involved as observable from the improved penile erection. The present results, therefore, support the folklore claim for the usefulness of these herbs and provide a scientific basis for their purported traditional usage.
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    Originally Posted by THEHUGE View Post
    My bad, when I wrote isocaloric I actually meant maintenance calories...
    This is what I mean when I say anabolic:

    A comparative study on aphrodisiac activity of some ayurvedic herbs in male albino rats.
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    O ok lol was wondering. Might throw it in the basket. it's cheap. what did you dose it at?
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    Originally Posted by wakingmalice View Post
    O ok lol was wondering. Might throw it in the basket. it's cheap. what did you dose it at?
    hm might throw it in the next order. what dosing did you use?
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    Originally Posted by RebuildMe View Post
    I wonder why companies didn't market yet an alternative to E-bol. People rave about it afterall.
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    Good question. As most of you already know I'm a fan of E-bol but there're some intriguing and effective extracts worth trying for sure.
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