Paleo Diet

[stephenmorrow]

Is the Paleo Diet bull****? Or does it actually work, it's not a fad diet or anything it just restricts the consumption of grains and dairy, I'm like wtf? Aren't those foods excellent for you?!!!

[snorkelman]

in before the reference to paleotards.

[stephenmorrow]

in before the reference to paleotards.

lmao, what does that mean? and btw i dont support the diet im just asking what its all about :P

[m1ke78]

Yes it works. You are essentially limiting foods to the most nutrient dense per calorie foods that are available and eliminating anything processed.

[stephenmorrow]

Yes it works. You are essentially limiting foods to the most nutrient dense per calorie foods that are available and eliminating anything processed.

But it eliminates Dairy and Grains, Oats and Milk are one of the best bodybuilding foods out there, aren't they staple?

[m1ke78]

Milk is a great tool for building mass if that's your goal. It's a huge hinderance if you're trying to lean out.

I'm on the fence if oats have any serious negatives like wheat does, but if you're looking for nutrient density there are far better options so it becomes moot.

[snorkelman]

But it eliminates Dairy and Grains, Oats and Milk are one of the best bodybuilding foods out there, aren't they staple?

Alan has researched this in depth and has actually uncovered scientific support that undermines the lack of grain claim.

[stephenmorrow]

Milk is a great tool for building mass if that's your goal. It's a huge hinderance if you're trying to lean out.

I'm on the fence if oats have any serious negatives like wheat does, but if you're looking for nutrient density there are far better options so it becomes moot.

What could i have for breakfast instead of oats then for my carbs?

[stephenmorrow]

Alan has researched this in depth and has actually uncovered scientific support that undermines the lack of grain claim.

Lmao, are those actually "Paleo" cream puffs?

[On Fire]

Lmao, are those actually "Paleo" cream puffs?

Yep. Didn't you hear him? They picked those off the trees in the paleolithic period.

Gosh.

[Backus24]

Lmao, are those actually "Paleo" cream puffs?

not sure if serious

[stephenmorrow]

Yes it works. You are essentially limiting foods to the most nutrient dense per calorie foods that are available and eliminating anything processed.

Any other opinions on this diet guys? I'd like to hear them

[On Fire]

Any other opinions on this diet guys? I'd like to hear them

Oh I never answered your question. Here's my opinion:

It sucks.

[Fury22]

Any other opinions on this diet guys? I'd like to hear them

It depends on the type of Paleo. There are many types, such as those that include dairy and those that don't. Some include tubers (sweet potatoes) and some don't. Many Paleo eaters also use butter from grass-fed cows, which is a great source of good fat but is obviously not a true Paleolithic food.

The idea of Paleo is to eat real food. Meats, eggs, vegetables, some fruits, nuts and seeds. This is the basis of eating Paleo. The people who oppose it are usually the ones who can't fathom the idea of giving "bodybuilding" foods (like oats, many people here have an almost sexual fascination with oats). But it's important to remember that most people who eat Paleo are not bodybuilders or really give a fuk about being as big as possible, but being as healthy as possible. This is why many Paleo eaters are often minimalists when it comes to exercise. They train intensely for short periods of time a few times a week. This is a good thing if your goal isn't to be as big as possible or to compete in something like weightlifting, which tends to require a lot of time in the gym.

The dairy issue, especially concerning milk, has more to do with whether or not milk is a beneficial food to drink. Most grocery store milks are not. Heavily pasteurized milk is nearly nutritonally worthless, as the process destroys most of the useful vitamins and minerals. This is why Paleo eaters who do drink milk tend to drink either raw milk from grass fed, hormone/antibiotic free cows or find local milk that has been minimally processed. But most milk in stores is pretty crappy nutritionally due to the process of pasteurization.

http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2009...proves-health/

This is a pretty good article on Paleo/Primal style eating. It's also a good website to read through is regards to general health and well-being. The writers aren't pushy and their main focus is improving people's overall health. NOT BODYBUILDING OR GETTIN DA JACK3D FIBRAZ. Read through it and it should give you a pretty good idea.

[kusok]

Paleo is a healthful diet.

Nothing wrong with it.

BUT the paleotard's "reasoning" for avoiding grains is stupid, not based on any science (as they admit), and is not at all beneficial or true.
Just because cavemen didn't eat grains doesn't mean they can't be beneficial, nor does surviving = optimum, so copying ancient eating habits is groundless. In fact one can make an equally idiotic argument against fruits! Watch:

Modern fruits are not the same as in the past, they are basically a candy from a tree these days. more sugar, less fiber. So fruits are bad...

see?

compelling, isn't it?

So funny that many bodybuilders AVOID fruit... Both groups are just wrong and ignorant.

[Fury22]

Paleo is a healthful diet.

Nothing wrong with it.

BUT the paleotard's "reasoning" for avoiding grains is stupid, not based on any science (as they admit), and is not at all beneficial or true.
Just because cavemen didn't eat grains doesn't mean they can't be beneficial, nor does surviving = optimum, so copying ancient eating habits is groundless. In fact one can make an equally idiotic argument against fruits! Watch:

Modern fruits are not the same as in the past, they are basically a candy from a tree these days. more sugar, less fiber. So fruits are bad...

see?

compelling, isn't it?

So funny that many bodybuilders AVOID fruit... Both groups are just wrong and ignorant.

Actually there are good reasons to avoid grains. It's not about "copying what cavemen did". It's about the body's ability to use them, the cost of eating them for nutritional benefit, etc. Plus, I can personally say that giving up grains has improved my immune system better than any medication or antibiotic ever has, and I no longer have stomach problems after carb heavy meals. The only common denominator was grains. I still eat carbs, but mainly from fruit and sweet potatoes (white potatoes on occasion). Many people find that they get the same results.

The other thing is that the grain products we eat today are pretty crappy in comparison with grain products that were eaten hundreds of years ago.

EDIT: Definitely agree on the last part. A lot of Paleo eaters whine and cry like little girls about fruit and peanuts, yet make exceptions for milk and dairy. On the same end, many bodybuilders avoid fruit like the plague, yet won't think twice about adding manufactured carbs in their shakes or eating a loaf of bread.

[ParsleyTea]

I like the paleo diet. It is pretty much what I eat. And as I've seen Dr Cordain write, if the Paleo diet is a fad, it is the longest running fad diet in history.

Lots can be learned about the science and general information on the diet at:

http://thepaleodiet.blogspot.com/

[Heatmiser]

Any other opinions on this diet guys? I'd like to hear them

I love it.. keep in mind that nothing we eat today is "pure" paleo - its more of a mindset and overall dietary approach than anything else.

For example, no one 100,00 years ago drank coffee and no one today eats mammoth and grubs. Some people eat eggs or dairy and some don't. Don't get caught up in the details.

The main thing is avoid wheat and gluten, eat plenty of grass-fed meat and chicken and wild fish when possible. Eat nuts if you aren't allergic to them. Eat lots of non-starchy veggies and occasional fruit. Avoid processed vegetable seed oils like corn-oil, soybean oil etc. Supplement your diet with D3 and fish oil. Use butter and olive oil instead of margarine. The idea is reduce inflammation and excessive insulin prodcition in the body.

There is no downside to a diet that is natural, unprocessed, and full of meat and veggies. If you think you look, feel, and perform better with wheat and gluten in your diet try it both ways for a while and see. Some people are extraordinarily sensitive to grains and others aren't. Same with dairy.

As for carb intake - most paleo eaters get it via veggies and sweet potatoes. Some eat a very low amount of carbs and other take in considerably more. There is no single rule that says you must have X amount of carbs. Dial in the amount to suit your preferences and exercise needs.

Try it for yourself for a while and see how it goes. No one will ever convince me of the upside to carbs from bread, pasta, and other other grains compared to getting those carbs from veggies like broccoli, mushroom, onions, carrots, sweet peppers and sweet potatoes etc.

PM me for a ton of links to various paleo-related blogs by MDs/PHDs on the subject of nutrition and paleo and inflammation and wheat etc.

[Fury22]

I love it.. keep in mind that nothing we eat today is "pure" paleo - its more of a mindset and overall dietary approach than anything else.

For example, no one 100,00 years ago drank coffee and no one today eats mammoth and grubs. Some people eat eggs or dairy and some don't. Don't get caught up in the details.

The main thing is avoid wheat and gluten, eat plenty of grass-fed meat and chicken and wild fish when possible. Eat nuts if you aren't allergic to them. Eat lots of non-starchy veggies and occasional fruit. Avoid processed vegetable seed oils like corn-oil, soybean oil etc. Supplement your diet with D3 and fish oil. Use butter and olive oil instead of margarine. The idea is reduce inflammation and excessive insulin prodcition in the body.

There is no downside to a diet that is natural, unprocessed, and full of meat and veggies. If you think you look, feel, and perform better with wheat and gluten in your diet try it both ways for a while and see. Some people are extraordinarily sensitive to grains and others aren't. Same with dairy.

As for carb intake - most paleo eaters get it via veggies and sweet potatoes. Some eat a very low amount of carbs and other take in considerably more. There is no single rule that says you must have X amount of carbs. Dial in the amount to suit your preferences and exercise needs.

Try it for yourself for a while and see how it goes. No one will ever convince me of the upside to carbs from bread, pasta, and other other grains compared to getting those carbs from veggies like broccoli, mushroom, onions, carrots, sweet peppers and sweet potatoes etc.

PM me for a ton of links to various paleo-related blogs by MDs/PHDs on the subject of nutrition and paleo and inflammation and wheat etc.

Great post!

[mivi320]

Paleo, in my opinion, is a healthy diet. BUT, a healthy diet must also encompass that the individual undergoes some very important lifestyle and behavioral modifications that promote longevity and willingness to follow a healthy diet. I think any diet where the elimination of nutritional culprit in the diet has the potential of being healthy. Paleo does just that. But speaking long term...for the Paleo follower who isn't on Paleo for "life," lifestyle and behavioral modifications and "learning" how to eat a balanced diet are still needed to be made after cessation of Paleo. Furthermore, look at the advancements in medical nutrition therapy (MNT) in today's dietetic world. Registered Dietitians in a clinical setting are not prescribing an avoidance of particular whole grains and dairy to patients with nutritional implications/diseases that Paleo claims to improve. Lifestyle, behavior, and simple dietary modifications can produce the same health and longevity status in present day without restricting variety. More than one way to skin a cat.

[TitanFB11]

jesus whats with the all the paleo threads latley?

did they start selling bulk paleo cream puffs at costco?

if they did i gotta make a run, im almost out

[alan aragon]

Paleo dieters are largely unaware of how speculative their orthorexic tendencies are.

[mivi320]

if they did i gotta make a run, im almost out

Make it a Tabata run, crossfit style brah.

[stephenmorrow]

Paleo dieters are largely unaware of how speculative their orthorexic tendencies are.

Yeah, I know I don't think I'm going to follow it just eat a clean diet, btw how were those paleo cream puffs? :P

And can you guys go to my other post on teen bodybuilding and look at it and critique my workout? It would be greatly appreciated if so

[Fury22]

Make it a Tabata run, crossfit style brah.

then we can follow it up with kipping pull-ups and 30-rep clean & jerks. Fuk yeah!

[stephenmorrow]

then we can follow it up with kipping pull-ups and 30-rep clean & jerks. Fuk yeah!

Dont forget the partial deadlifts! And 1000 burpees!

[TitanFB11]

Make it a Tabata run, crossfit style brah.

cant, i havent had the eats in over 2 hours so im currently in a catabolic state.

brb having protein shake with my EFAS (so my testosterone dosent drop to a 10) and oats (sugars late at night are teh devil)

but i gotta make it quick becuase i have a seminar to teach about the blood type diet.


oh and white rice makes you fat
protein shakes make muscle turn to fat
20+reps for toning
less then 10min to injest PWO shake otherwise its a waste and your getting smaller
dont train legs cause no 1 sees them
and abs everyday to get skinny.

[stephenmorrow]

cant, i havent had the eats in over 2 hours so im currently in a catabolic state.

brb having protein shake with my EFAS (so my testosterone dosent drop to a 10) and oats (sugars late at night are teh devil)

but i gotta make it quick becuase i have a seminar to teach about the blood type diet.


oh and white rice makes you fat
protein shakes make muscle turn to fat
20+reps for toning
less then 10min to injest PWO shake otherwise its a waste and your getting smaller
dont train legs cause no 1 sees them
and abs everyday to get skinny.

Don't eat any oats, Cavemen didn't therefore you shouldn't

[Heatmiser]

Paleo dieters are largely unaware of how speculative their orthorexic tendencies are.

If you don't believe it then don't follow it. Let others try it out and decide for themselves.

[Fury22]

If you don't believe it then don't follow it. Let others try it out and decide for themselves.

This. A lot of Paleo hate here.

Yes, there are some zealots, but they are no worse than vegan zealots or anyother. At least a Paleo fantasy is based on an ideal that was at least something of a reality. I have no respect for veganism as a philosophy and it's based on an ideal that has never happened nor will ever happen.

Paleo is about real food and knowing where your food came from. That's why Paleo supports grass fed meats and free-range products. The whole "caveman" thing is stupid. It's not about what cavemen did or didn't do. I don't see where the problem is. We have way too many many subsititutes for real food. It's ridiculous. Turkey bacon, egg beaters, mystery meats, etc. Eat some real goddamn food!

EDIT: or don't....I don't care.