What if religion is banned?

[Nocturnal310]

was watching equilibrium ..starring christian bale....and although removing art was extreme.

but what if there's a world where practicing religion is banned.

u wanna pray...stay in your house and pray..no need to preach it and visit places.

and any form of religious statements are considered a criminal offense


what kind of world would that be?


not that i am advocating the idea...but just considering an alternative to todays world where even in US......religious diversity causes problems among communities.

not to mention about asian countries...where millions of people have died in the name of religion.

also...its funny how many people live their life according to religion.

[Queequeg]

I am a strong proponent of a secularist state and as tempting as state atheism might seem sacrifice of perosnal liberty isn't worth it imo

[gnahc92]

was watching equilibrium ..starring christian bale....and although removing art was extreme.

but what if there's a world where practicing religion is banned.

u wanna pray...stay in your house and pray..no need to preach it and visit places.

and any form of religious statements are considered a criminal offense


what kind of world would that be?


not that i am advocating the idea...but just considering an alternative to todays world where even in US......religious diversity causes problems among communities.

not to mention about asian countries...where millions of people have died in the name of religion.

also...its funny how many people live their life according to religion.

I am an atheist, but wouldn't banning religion kind of be like russia a several decades ago?

[jf1]

banning religion just makes peoples faith stronger.
bad idea.

[jimbob007]

It would be difficult to ban it totally- however is it what I would like to see.

1. Religion not to be taught to children by their parents or any other family member- if you do then your kids get taken away.

2. Religion to be taught in schools at the age of 9- but to be taught as a story, rather than presented as fact.

3. Churches & their employees have to pay tax- unless the employee is not earning enough like any other job.

4. Religion has no legal protection from satire, mockery etc.

5. Religon has no right to discriminate or preach hatred against anybody on the grounds of race, gender or sex- they are the only ones still allowed to do this- automatically defrocked & fined.

6. Religion has no right to cover up any criminal activity either conducted by itself, or that given via confession- automaticlly defrocked & minimum 5 years jail time, depending on the nature of the cover up it could be longer.

7. Religion cannot preach against abortion/make threats of barring person from church, against those are wish to have one- automatically defrocked .

8. Religion cannot preach against the wearing of condoms- automatically defrocked & sent to the Hague to stand trial for inciting mass murder.

9. Religion cannot condone or encourage any form of violence/hatred- automaticlly defrocked & life in prison.

10. Religion cannot condone any form of female oppression such as dictating garb, being able to walk with non family males, being allowed to drive etc- automatically defrocked & 10 years in prison.

[Jirachi]

It would be difficult to ban it totally- however is it what I would like to see.

1. Religion not to be taught to children by their parents or any other family member- if you do then your kids get taken away.

2. Religion to be taught in schools at the age of 9- but to be taught as a story, rather than presented as fact.

3. Churches & their employees have to pay tax- unless the employee is not earning enough like any other job.

4. Religion has no legal protection from satire, mockery etc.

5. Religon has no right to discriminate or preach hatred against anybody on the grounds of race, gender or sex- they are the only ones still allowed to do this- automatically defrocked & fined.

6. Religion has no right to cover up any criminal activity either conducted by itself, or that given via confession- automaticlly defrocked & minimum 5 years jail time, depending on the nature of the cover up it could be longer.

7. Religion cannot preach against abortion/make threats of barring person from church, against those are wish to have one- automatically defrocked .

8. Religion cannot preach against the wearing of condoms- automatically defrocked & sent to the Hague to stand trial for inciting mass murder.

9. Religion cannot condone or encourage any form of violence/hatred- automaticlly defrocked & life in prison.

10. Religion cannot condone any form of female oppression such as dictating garb, being able to walk with non family males, being allowed to drive etc- automatically defrocked & 10 years in prison.

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[gnahc92]

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I don't see anything wrong with it.

You get in trouble if you encourage things like violence, hatred...etc and you can not oppress people.

For a long time, religion has controlled society, now it is time for society to control religion.

[TheAdlerian]

was watching equilibrium ..starring christian bale....and although removing art was extreme.

but what if there's a world where practicing religion is banned.

u wanna pray...stay in your house and pray..no need to preach it and visit places.

and any form of religious statements are considered a criminal offense


what kind of world would that be?


not that i am advocating the idea...but just considering an alternative to todays world where even in US......religious diversity causes problems among communities.

not to mention about asian countries...where millions of people have died in the name of religion.

also...its funny how many people live their life according to religion.

I'm an atheist and used to be very annoyed about religion and its influences, but then I calmed down and started to ask why people believe in this stuff. My conclusion is that it's best described by an art term "Horror Vacui":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_vacui

It's the tendency of some artists to want to fill in every space on a canvas with something. The term means "fear of emptiness" and I think it applies to why people cling to religion in spite of its absurdity. Perhaps billions of people couldn't face life knowing that its meaningless and simply going to end, and sometimes in very miserable ways. For instance, the biggest cause of death is diarrhea, and how exactly are you supposed to continue on and be cheerful and productive after everyone you loved just crapped themselves to death?

So, my complaint about atheism is that it hasn't provided a solution to the emotional pain experienced by humanity, and until it does it's not worthy of challenging the nonviolent religions. However, if given a choice that I must make and it would take effect immedately, I'd outlaw religion and eliminate every religious book from the world. I think that people would adapt, but many wouldn't adapt well, but that would be a different challenage than attempting to deal with people who have culturally induced psychosis/religion.

In a realistic sense, atheism will never catch on until the world is filled with modern cities and humans have near immortality.

[bird72]

what kind of world would that be?

This happened already in history, read a little so that you get educate yourself.



Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union

The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion[21]. The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed.

Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[22][23][24][25] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[23][24][26][27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecu...e_Soviet_Union

[TheAdlerian]

This happened already in history, read a little so that you get educate yourself.



Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union

The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion[21]. The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed.

Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[22][23][24][25] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[23][24][26][27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecu...e_Soviet_Union

That sounds bad, but when you look at the fact that religious people are either insane, or are completely sane and spreading lies for self-serving reasons, then the criminal element of the behavior is easily seen.

[burnedfish]

You get thrown in a lion's den. Daniel 6:1-24

[GoJu]

It would be difficult to ban it totally- however is it what I would like to see.

1. Religion not to be taught to children by their parents or any other family member- if you do then your kids get taken away.

2. Religion to be taught in schools at the age of 9- but to be taught as a story, rather than presented as fact.

3. Churches & their employees have to pay tax- unless the employee is not earning enough like any other job.

4. Religion has no legal protection from satire, mockery etc.

5. Religon has no right to discriminate or preach hatred against anybody on the grounds of race, gender or sex- they are the only ones still allowed to do this- automatically defrocked & fined.

6. Religion has no right to cover up any criminal activity either conducted by itself, or that given via confession- automaticlly defrocked & minimum 5 years jail time, depending on the nature of the cover up it could be longer.

7. Religion cannot preach against abortion/make threats of barring person from church, against those are wish to have one- automatically defrocked .

8. Religion cannot preach against the wearing of condoms- automatically defrocked & sent to the Hague to stand trial for inciting mass murder.

9. Religion cannot condone or encourage any form of violence/hatred- automaticlly defrocked & life in prison.

10. Religion cannot condone any form of female oppression such as dictating garb, being able to walk with non family males, being allowed to drive etc- automatically defrocked & 10 years in prison.

[Maestro]

was watching equilibrium ..starring christian bale....and although removing art was extreme.

but what if there's a world where practicing religion is banned.

u wanna pray...stay in your house and pray..no need to preach it and visit places.

and any form of religious statements are considered a criminal offense


what kind of world would that be?


not that i am advocating the idea...but just considering an alternative to todays world where even in US......religious diversity causes problems among communities.

not to mention about asian countries...where millions of people have died in the name of religion.

also...its funny how many people live their life according to religion.

ib4

"herp derp we'd go around killing and stealing with no remorse."

[bird72]

That sounds bad, but when you look at the fact that religious people are either insane, or are completely sane and spreading lies for self-serving reasons, then the criminal element of the behavior is easily seen.

Let's consider that your argument is correct for a moment. (Although I think your argument is very superficial which is not worth consideration) Where it says in the law that be crazy is a criminal act? And if is for the lies, our president would be imprisoned for life. Criminal is to go against the innate freedom of human beings to choose what they believe and practice the religion they wants.

What differentiates you from religious extremists who believe that atheists should be punished with jail for his conduct of lies by deny the existence of god?

The problem with secular totalitarian regimes is precisely that they think like you, that they have the truth caught from the tail.

The man, in fact, if one hand is the nature and participate in things whose laws obey, is, on the other hand, the only natural being endowed with freedom, which consists precisely in order to overcome nature. The man, because it is free, he need to make himself his own life. Human freedom consists precisely in this: that human life is not made beforehand by the laws of nature, but is something the man himself, to live it has to do and to resolve in each moment and in advance. The immediate consequence of communism would be the uniformity of human lives, that is to say, animalization of man; accordingly that "naturalists" of Marxism as any other form of naturalism premise, leading inevitably. That's why someone said, with profound reason, to fight against communism is as much as fighting for human civilization and culture.

[Maestro]

It would be difficult to ban it totally- however is it what I would like to see.

1. Religion not to be taught to children by their parents or any other family member- if you do then your kids get taken away.

2. Religion to be taught in schools at the age of 9- but to be taught as a story, rather than presented as fact.

3. Churches & their employees have to pay tax- unless the employee is not earning enough like any other job.

4. Religion has no legal protection from satire, mockery etc.

5. Religon has no right to discriminate or preach hatred against anybody on the grounds of race, gender or sex- they are the only ones still allowed to do this- automatically defrocked & fined.

6. Religion has no right to cover up any criminal activity either conducted by itself, or that given via confession- automaticlly defrocked & minimum 5 years jail time, depending on the nature of the cover up it could be longer.

7. Religion cannot preach against abortion/make threats of barring person from church, against those are wish to have one- automatically defrocked .

8. Religion cannot preach against the wearing of condoms- automatically defrocked & sent to the Hague to stand trial for inciting mass murder.

9. Religion cannot condone or encourage any form of violence/hatred- automaticlly defrocked & life in prison.

10. Religion cannot condone any form of female oppression such as dictating garb, being able to walk with non family males, being allowed to drive etc- automatically defrocked & 10 years in prison.

I like some of those but the first one is pretty harsh.

I can teach my kids that the Flintstones is a real life depiction of early man, but it doesn't mean they should be taken away from me because of it. They'll figure out whats real and whats not eventually.

Hell, now that I think about it, a vast majority of kids being born to our generation will become non-religious or atheist simply from their surroundings and our broadening of knowledge in the sciences (sorry Melkor)

If you don't believe me, look at the people in our generation. We are quite possibly the largest group of atheists/non-religites in Western history.

It will find a way to weed itself out.

[IraHays]

It would be difficult to ban it totally- however is it what I would like to see.

1. Religion not to be taught to children by their parents or any other family member- if you do then your kids get taken away.

lulz, kind of harsh. Especially coming from a country where parents abuse kids by not making them brush their teeth.

[GeorgeCarlinJr]

If religion was banned then a massive **** storm would ensue. nothx

[bird72]

It would be difficult to ban it totally- however is it what I would like to see.
4. Religion has no legal protection from satire, mockery etc.

So your argument is to hell with religious person free speech...but you reserve the right to satire, mockery etc, religion. vvvvv anyone can't touch your free speech?, I like your hypocrisy and demagogy.

"4. Religion has no legal protection from satire, mockery etc."

[jimbob007]

[QUOTE=Maestro;496215501]I like some of those but the first one is pretty harsh.

I can teach my kids that the Flintstones is a real life depiction of early man, but it doesn't mean they should be taken away from me because of it. They'll figure out whats real and whats not eventually.

The difference is the Flintstones are a cartoon, religion is brainwashed into kids as being reality from a young age & they have no choice in the matter.

Hell, now that I think about it, a vast majority of kids being born to our generation will become non-religious or atheist simply from their surroundings and our broadening of knowledge in the sciences (sorry Melkor)

Good thing as well, let them make their own mind up when they are old enough to balance scriture against science.

[Fist-Of-Freedom]

was watching equilibrium ..starring christian bale....and although removing art was extreme.

but what if there's a world where practicing religion is banned.

u wanna pray...stay in your house and pray..no need to preach it and visit places.

and any form of religious statements are considered a criminal offense


what kind of world would that be?


not that i am advocating the idea...but just considering an alternative to todays world where even in US......religious diversity causes problems among communities.

not to mention about asian countries...where millions of people have died in the name of religion.

also...its funny how many people live their life according to religion.

Who the hell would want to live in a world ruled by totalitarianism? Free societies don't run like that.

[TheAdlerian]

Let's consider that your argument is correct for a moment. (Although I think your argument is very superficial which is not worth consideration) Where it says in the law that be crazy is a criminal act? And if is for the lies, our president would be imprisoned for life. Criminal is to go against the innate freedom of human beings to choose what they believe and practice the religion they wants.

Firstly, although my point is simple, it's profound because it gets right to the heart of what religion is, and that's a "psychotic fantasy", if believed, or a "power technique" for cynically used to control people. Secondly, in most civilized countries, insane people aren't allowed to run around saying harmful things, and they can be hospitalized for it. Also, under communism theory/law religion is a sinister power technique to control and exploit people, so it would indeed be illegal. That's why China invaded Tibet for instance. It wasn't to oppress the fact Buddhists there, it was to liberate the people from their pretty cruel and exploitative rule.

[jimbob007]

There are a lot of people religious or otherwise who have no place being responsible for kids.

lulz, kind of harsh. Especially coming from a country where parents abuse kids by not making them brush their teeth.

[Maestro]

The difference is the Flintstones are a cartoon, religion is brainwashed into kids as being reality from a young age & they have no choice in the matter.

I watched cartoons of Jonah, Moses and the gang when I was a kid.

[Queequeg]

lulz, kind of harsh. Especially coming from a country where parents abuse kids by not making them brush their teeth.

lol

[jimbob007]

No, to hell with religious speech that discriminates against people, incites hatred & murder, spreads sexual diseases etc.

I have no problem with atheists being mocked or satirised by theists. I just want a level playing field. If I were to say gays should be murdered then I would be in trouble, some guy wearing a collar says it & he is protected due to his beliefs.

If a Muslim wants to draw a cartoon of Dawkins then great, but by the same token everybody else should be able to draw pictures of pbuh without the fear of violence or legal action.

So your argument is to hell with religious person free speech...but you reserve the right to satire, mockery etc, religion. vvvvv anyone can't touch your free speech?, I like your hypocrisy and demagogy.

"4. Religion has no legal protection from satire, mockery etc."

[bird72]

Firstly, although my point is simple, it's profound because it gets right to the heart of what religion is, and that's a "psychotic fantasy", if believed, or a "power technique" for cynically used to control people. Secondly, in most civilized countries, insane people aren't allowed to run around saying harmful things, and they can be hospitalized for it. Also, under communism theory/law religion is a sinister power technique to control and exploit people, so it would indeed be illegal. That's why China invaded Tibet for instance. It wasn't to oppress the fact Buddhists there, it was to liberate the people from their pretty cruel and exploitative rule.

It's profound for you because, you are seeing the topic from a short mind. A "psychotic fantasy" is goes against human liberties. What is a harmful thing for you, preach do good deeds and love your enemy, or preach against kill people, or maybe, preach against adultery.....tell me which of those are the most harmful?

"Under communism theory/law religion is a sinister power technique to control and exploit people, so it would indeed be illegal"

That's why communism is evil, because goes against liberties, and that's why communism fail and only a few nuts support it.

[GoJu]

It's profound for you because, you are seeing the topic from a short mind. A "psychotic fantasy" is goes against human liberties. What is a harmful thing for you, preach do good deeds and love your enemy, or preach against kill people, or maybe, preach against adultery.....tell me which of those are the most harmful?

"Under communism theory/law religion is a sinister power technique to control and exploit people, so it would indeed be illegal"

That's why communism is evil, because goes against liberties, and that's why communism fail and only a few nuts support it.

loving your enemy ISN'T necessarily a good thing, it isn't smart, turnig the other cheek is downright STUPID thing to do in certain situations, it isn't moral or profound because jesus said it

you don't need god to tell people not to kill other people

and all those pretty things in your religion don't come without lots of ugly things attached to it

[bird72]

No, to hell with religious speech that discriminates against people, incites hatred & murder, spreads sexual diseases etc.

I have no problem with atheists being mocked or satirised by theists. I just want a level playing field. If I were to say gays should be murdered then I would be in trouble, some guy wearing a collar says it & he is protected due to his beliefs.

If a Muslim wants to draw a cartoon of Dawkins then great, but by the same token everybody else should be able to draw pictures of pbuh without the fear of violence or legal action.

Why instead of Dawkins, a Muslim draw a picture mocking gays?

It is not what you want to ban you is that forbid you, what you like to do, like speaking out against religion.

Let's make a deal, we can't preach against sins, and atheist can't speak against religion in any form....

[bird72]

loving your enemy ISN'T necessarily a good thing, it isn't smart, turnig the other cheek is downright STUPID thing to do in certain situations, it isn't moral or profound because jesus said it

That's your opinion and is only that, your opinion. When the language of love prevails, there is no need of enemies.

you don't need god to tell people not to kill other people

Who talk about that? I was just giving an example of what my religion is...

[GoJu]

That's your opinion and is only that, your opinion. When the language of love prevails, there is no need of enemies.




Who talk about that? I was just giving an example of what my religion is...

I agree there is no need for enemies, I don't think there should even be countries anymore

a truly loving god instead of supporting one group in a battle vs the other (like the jews in all their battles in the bible) he would tell both sides to stop fighting

your god does not meet these qualifications

it'd be nice if he did but he doesn't